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@Greyparrot
Didn’t the Deputy PM say they were gonna keep these emergency powers forever or something
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@BearMan
Off to university and livin the life Lmfaoo. How long has it been?
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Ignorance is bliss, as they say... Until you type your views as if you've got a clue what active debaters and voters alike experience.
I’m a pretty active voter if someone keeps bothering me about voting. But it’s easier to award points if there’s a forfeit. To me it shows that you don’t care enough about the debate, nor care about the time of the individual you’re debating. You shouldn’t be rewarded for that by any means.
It's like a MEEP on the Mafia games where I talk shit like I know what the active players feel about an aspect of it.
And I wouldn’t care lol. I may disagree with it but I won’t just say you shouldn’t have an opinion. It’s like the argument women make about abortion. You’re a man, what do you know?
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And how often do you engage in debating on this website?
Why is that relevant? I don’t have to be an debater to vote on MEEPs
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@oromagi
Only problem I see is if there’s some sort of mutual agreement to waive rounds or something
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@Greyparrot
Calling the descendant of a Holocaust survivor a Nazi. Wow
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@Mharman
Badger: Giving Greyparrot the gun was completely based. The amount of trust this man had for one of the boys to send him that gun when he was scumread by Greyparrot is pretty neat and I nominate it for bro moment of the year.
Very based
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@Vader
Just post signups, I’ll play whatever. I haven’t had a theme I know in probably a year
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@badger
No it isn't because scumtells aren't a thing. You just think you're reading scumtells because you've internalised the whole process. You're reading the absence of towntells. Earth feels off. You literally said it.
Off = scummy. Don’t really know how else you could read that. Absence of town tells = null, not scum.
I'd have got back on him. It was a weak towntell. It was just something I had to measure against other towntells.
Even if he was a weak town tell, objectively Mikal would’ve been a better lynch at that point lol
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@Discipulus_Didicit
If there was only one mafia left and a townie said "I am scum and I concede" the game would continue, but wouldn't that town confirm the person pretending to concede? Should we ban public concessions? Food for thought.
The person who concedes would be lynched by the rest of town in every scenario tbh. If they’re a townie they’re playing against their wincon at that point
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@badger
You just wrote above that "Earth was off". I had very strong townreads on a number of players.
And I told you how his behavior specifically diverged from what I’ve seen.
Last two games I've been pushing hard on mafia. I talk game and got game lol. Scumtells are barely even a thing.
It is harder to identify scumtells from people than it is to POE people. You were off the Supa lynch the minute he OMGUSed.
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@badger
I mean I was trying to lynch Supa lol.
You didn’t really have a reason to lol. More like he’s on the list rather than he’s for sure scum
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Next time someone says "I can't do any reads because it isn't roll madness and it is impossible to read vanillas" I am just going to link this game.
I’ll say that every game, but I’ll still try like this game lmfao. Earth was just off
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@Greyparrot
thanks for the gun badgerUSE GUN ON SUPA
If you can use it during the day, wonderful. I voted Supa just to be safe lol
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@badger
Nice lynch on Earth, Pie. Annoyed I misread that.
Your welcome lol
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@badger
I don't think it's 1/6 btw. That 2x redirector means there's 2 in the pool. I can only make one gun as gunsmith and I think it says 2x gunsmith in OP. 2 gunsmiths in the pool, not a two role use gunsmith.
No it means it’s a 2 shot Redirector. No two people can have the same role in the same faction per Supa. Also like I said worst case scenario it’s MYLO. Even if a townie gets the gun and doesn’t shoot correctly it’s MYLO.
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@Greyparrot
Just hammer. Bastard games are dumb anyways
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@Vader
Math is wrong. Two independent events. First a coin flip to see if they get a role. Then 1/6 chance of getting Redirector. For one scum it’s 0.5 % times 1/6, which is 1/12. Each scum has the chance so multiply by 2 and you get 1/6 chance there’s at the minimum there’s a Redirector
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@Greyparrot
If Earth is scum here, I’m willing to vote Badger tomorrow
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@badger
Can someone tell me what weak cop does?
If a Weak Cop investigates a scum member, they die
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@badger
You are seriously underestimating the mathematics here, Pie.
I disagree. There’s only a 16.67% chance scum have a Redirector on their side.
50% times 16.67% times 2
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@badger
What if there's a redirector? Then mafia gets the gun, keeps quiet, I get lynched and we lose.Even that possibility aside, the ML trumps me as a clear.
The game is already Bastard because there is no balancing mechanism that the mod used. We lose we lose, but the odds are still on the town side. Especially if we have a watcher or something on you. Statistically there are 2 other town PRs.
Use the odds we have. Worst case it’s POE.
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@badger
You understand that I shouldn't gun, right?
A Gunsmith gives a gun to someone, effectively making them a 1x Vigilante. Worst case scenario is a scum member gets the gun via a redirection, but the odds of that are statistically low.
Rewards are that you’re confirmed. Even if a townie gets the gun and shoots a townie, it still helps POE
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@badger
I should never use my ability, btw. A misfire next DP puts town in MYLO. Me gunning someone is only depriving town of our ML. Add to that the possibility of a redirector and the role really is completely useless in this setup.
It’s a confirmable role. You have to use it. If scum get it and kill someone, so be it. It helps our POE anyways. Give it to someone you trust
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@Greyparrot
how do you plan on confirming badger?
If someone gets a gun?
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@badger
I would like to point out here that if I was mafia I would have played for NL. Anyone that can do very basic mathematics knows NL hurts town a lot more than a lynch here. I'm very actively trying to lynch someone.
You’re not the lynch today period. Your role is confirmable.
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@Vader
If Earth flips scum I’m open to going after Badger. As of now though, his role is confirmable because of the fact that he’s the Gunsmith.
Earth is easily a better option
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@Vader
I want to lynch badger.VTL badger
Would you like to explain why?
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@Vader
Post 86 is where I outline reasons why he’s scummy
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@badger
No point arguing this. Do you townread Supa?
He’s null for activity reasons. You haven’t even stated why you want to lynch Supa.
I want to lynch my scumread Earth
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@Greyparrot
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Let’s lynch Earth. His behavior is noticeably different. He just hops on other people’s reasoning + the reasons I mentioned earlier
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@badger
My reading of those two posts by Earth makes way more sense. If Earth knows I'm town, why is he so ready to get the lynch off me? Town has 2 ML's. That's way too ballsy play.
He was forced to. Oro voted for Mikal. Pretty much the definition of a bandwagon with the fact that he joined WF’s lynch after you and Disc were on it.
It’s not ballsy; it’s opportunistic.
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@badger
I prefer an Earth lynch, but I agree with the idea that we need to lynch
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I can't remember playing with Earth as scum and have not played with him much as town either. Very little experience playing with him, if your insight into his meta is based on experience with him then I am open to taking a closer look at his posts.
It’s just odd to me. It’s all I’ve got at the moment
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Reads:
1. Whiteflame - Null - I can never read Whiteflame this early in the game. It’s why I investigated him 2 games ago. There’s not really a scum meta vs a town meta for him that I’ve noticed. Maybe I’m just lazy idk
2. Disc - Lean Town - I’ll give him props for bringing activity, but mainly just a gut feeling
3. Supadudz - Null - Inactive
4. Oromagi - Lean Town - He’s done something that fits his town meta from what I remember + his observation on Badger screams town to me
5. Mikal - Null - Inactive
6. Pie - Confirmed Town
7. Earth - Scum - Reasons I mentioned in the prior post
8. Badger - Null - I still don’t like the excuse he gave for his inactivity, but he has been active and engaging so far
9. Greyparrot - Lean Town - Fits the meta so far with his immediate claim, though he’s the weakest town read I have atm
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@oromagi
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@badger
Alright so after rereading, I want to lynch Earth for a couple of reasons:
This is Earth in post 34: “I support randomly pressing for claims.”
This is Earth in post 38: “Given that you have 2 votes on you, please claim.
These two statements don’t go to together. Wagon on Badger wasn’t “random” by any means. He willingly joined the wagon meaning he knew Badger’s affiliation.
The second reason kinda fits along with the first one. He’s bandwagoning WF now, which doesn’t at all fit with the randomness that he proposed. Also it’s extremely odd that he’s this lynch-happy.
The third reason also kinda fits with the other two. The aggression is extremely different from him. I don’t think I’ve seen him outright ask for a claim ever, especially with only 2 votes on someone. Very odd to me.
Unvote
VTL Earth
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