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VTL Max
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Mikal - Lean Town
iLikePie5 - Confirmed Town
Supadudz - Lean Scum
Badger - Lean Town
ComputerNerd - Town
Suigeneris - Town
Mharman - Town
Whiteflame - Null
Greyparrot - TP for sure
Airmax122 - Lean Scum


I’m willing to lynch anyone out of Max, Supa, WF. Let me know if you want me to explain any reads
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@ComputerNerd
Thank you.
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@Vader
Lunatic is VERY much known for giving traditional roles for town/mafia as a town flavor. He did it in a game once with Popular. 
Popular isn’t inherently affiliated with either scum or town. It’s been used with both to my knowledge.

The question is, why would I fake claim something that I knew is scum affiliated according to that post
That’s WIFOM
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@Vader
I am against this idea, but since my role is a passive role, I see no reason as to not claim since I don't have anything
So you disagree with the principle but claim anyways? That makes no sense lol
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@Vader
Why didn't you SOP claim this?
Cause I was told in previous games that Hated Townies should just keep their mouth shut for a few reasons:

I’m functionally a vanilla
Mafia can kill me at night thereby protecting town
Also cause L-1 hammer goes away at MYLO/LYLO
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Also I just did some research. Gramps is a mafia-aligned role according to MafiaUniverse. 



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@sui_generis
np1 I watched whiteflame, no one visited 
Why’d you watch Whiteflame?
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@Mharman
The only way ComputeNerd could be mafia is if he’s telling the truth on his character but not on his character’s affiliation or role. Bam but based on theme analysis. I don’t think Roy Petty is mafia. What mafia role would one even give him? To me, every role that makes sense for this character is a town one.
I’m just covering all the bases. Your theme theory could be wrong. You could also be scum and be CN’s mafia partner. Lots of theories where CN could be scum. Better to cover them than not
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@Vader
Please explain the need for me to claim
Cause we’re mass claiming?

And you asked this question after you claimed lol
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@Vader
@Mikal
You both need to full claim. This is the second time I’m asking y’all
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@Vader
@airmax1227
@Mikal
You all need to full claim too
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@whiteflame
It was a tough call, though I did it by PoE. I didn’t want to pick someone who may not demonstrate that they couldn’t vote, so that left ComputerNerd out. Didn’t want to pick anyone who was a target for claims/lynches in the last DP since my goal was not to obstruct efforts to get them to claim, so Max and Sui were out. GP will eventually be a necessary lynch, so he’s out. From there, I just removed everyone in my uncertain pile in case their claims became reasons to FoS them, which left Mharman, DD and Badger. That choice was random. Glad I didn’t choose DD.
So essentially you did it out of those 3 because they were your top 3 townreads?
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@sui_generis
VTL Sui for full claim
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@Lunatic
4. Can you please vote anyone to confirm that you haven’t stolen Badger’s voter

Sure. I think it’s also worth confirming that Badger can’t be voted for, so I’ll do that if someone else doesn’t.

VTL Max
Vote count after this vote by Whiteflame?
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@badger
There's no world in which we don't mass claim here. 
I honestly agree

I’m Wyatt Langmore and I’m the Hated Townie. I require one less vote to be lynched; however, the effect goes away at MYLO and LYLO per Luna’s PM.

Justification is he tries to find opportunity for himself but faces prejudice against him because of his family name.
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After doing some research, I saw that Magistrate and Emissary were rather unique to MafiaUniverse roles, which is also interesting.

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@Mharman
My character is Russ Langmore. My role is the Emissary. It’s not really much of a power role if you can even call it that, but I was given knowledge at the start of the game that Roy Petty was in the game and ComputerNerd was the player who got him as a character. I realized based on game theory that there was likely a reason why I was given that knowledge, so I concluded he was a power role, cop being the most likely one. Although the prospect of him being a vigilante did cross my mind at one point. In one post I did mention bomb, but that was more just advice for future games since ComputerNerd is a noob.
Couple of questions here as well:

1. Did Luna tell you outright that Roy Petty was town?

2. Have you considered that it could be a counter to mafia using a fake character claim if they were given them?

3. What’s your justification for Russ as Emissary because I’ve never heard of this role.
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@Mharman
Also, I’m confident Disc sacrificed himself for ComputerNerd.
Possibly. It could also be that they killed pretty much everyone’s top townread in DD outright.
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@whiteflame
Alright, just saw this come up. I’ll full claim:

I’m Charles Wilkes and I’m the Magistrate. I picked someone who I knew would vote and was not either Sui or GP (given that they were targets at the end of the last GP) and ended up picking Badger. In this DP, he cannot vote and no one can vote for him.

Mainly doing this for POE reasons. Unless someone thinks I’d do this as a scum Magistrate, it stands as confirmation of my role and a pretty good indication that I am town. Given that we just mislynched an important PR and lost a protective role (who was hopefully protecting someone else), we need to start figuring this out.
Ok so a couple of questions here:

1. What’s your justification?

2. Your role can function 2 ways. Prevent a townie from being lynched or preventing mafia from having a vote. Which reason was why you chose Badger and why?

3. Are you a full time magistrate, or an X-shot (I’ll explain why I ask later)

4. Can you please vote anyone to confirm that you haven’t stolen Badger’s voter?
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@ComputerNerd
Good morning. Catching up now but first things first, ComputerNerd, do you have any results for us from your PR?

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@Wylted
I speak Spanish fluently dumb ass. As well as German. 
Mexican Spanish, Cuban Spanish, Colombian Spanish, or Venezuelan Spanish?
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@Danielle
Pie's parents are immigrants and he has Trump as his profile picture. 
95% of my friends have both parents that are immigrants but they’re liberals
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@Intelligence_06
Not American. Why must all the votes occur during the same day? Why is it not a specified range, for example, 3 days?
Why not 30 days? Why not a month? Why not a year? It’s called Election Day for a reason
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@Mharman
Sorry about the hasty unvote. Was just trying to be fast given the small amount of time.
I doubt Max comes on in enough time anyways. Shifting to GP would also take time. Earth is so scummy right now. He’s probably busy with his buddies to forge a justification 
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@Earth
You need to post your abilities.

You also need to post a justification.
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@Mharman
That may not be enough for some but given the amount of time left it’s enough for me for now. 
It’s actually rather odd that he didn’t claim his abilities. You also have to consider that he could be a Scum JOAT. He still also hasn’t posted a justification as to why Jacob Snell is the JOAT.
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@Mharman
Last vote count earth had one vote on them and it was me. Since then, computernerd and Mikal have added votes on them. 3/7 for Earth
You really made me count smh

Earth is 5/7 - Mharman, WF, CN, Mikal, Pie

VTL Earth
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@Mharman
We need some pressure on Earth. If we can’t get any active pressure on him we’re basically forced to go for Grey. I am okay with a Grey lynch, but we at least need to get full claim from Earth and Airmax.
I was asking for a VC from Lunatic to see how many people are on the lynch. In case he’s L-1 or something and I accidentally hammer
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@Lunatic
Vote count please?
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Posting reads:

I still have an FoS on Badger because of his double standard and his refusal of pursuing objectively better lynches. I’d also suspect Badger more if Max max flips scum (if we decide to lynch him)

If Badger is scum then I’d probably sus Mharman a little more because of the double standard, though at the moment he’s null for me.

DD is town for the reasons everyone has mentioned so far

Whiteflame I have a hard time of reading every game, which is honestly why I investigated him last night. Comparing his play to last game though, he does appear scummy. Still null though.

Supa is also a beneficiary of inactivity. He hasn’t contributed much of value. I’d argue less value than last game for sure. Got burned last game for scumreading him for that though, so null

Mikal I think is town. His pursuance of Earth fits his aggressive playstyle that I’ve seen in live mafia. At the same time though based on his live plays, he can back off when needed and be objective like the game he was Cop in a couple days ago in live.

Greyparrot I believe is definitely TP Survivor. He’s not the type to research another TP role.

ComputerNerd is pretty obviously a noob townie

Sui is null for me just as he was last game. Based on that game his behavior seems very similar, though I don’t think that really means much for activity reasons. 

Airmax is null just cause he hasn’t posted yet. Mharman said that Max and Earth’s characters are on opposite sides. I’m going to do more research on that later today. 

Earth is being Earth. I always suspect him but have been burned in the past. He’s also unreadable for me so null. I’m more than happy pressuring him for a role claim though to help gauge is affiliation

Pie - 100% town


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@Discipulus_Didicit
Looking back I don't think badger is suspicious for disagreeing with pie on lynching less active players, just a difference in philosophy.
It isn’t a philosophy difference. He’s outright protecting them and using “fun” as a defense
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Sorry guys, I was driving to Austin today. Reading up now
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@badger
These dudes have made 0 posts and somehow you're still reading them. I think lurking is scummy. I think these dudes are not playing the game. 
So you don’t think Airmax is lurking? He’s been on. Gotten at least 20 notifications. He was at the live mafia last night. He’s made other posts in other threads and even responded to users who tagged him. 
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@badger
I don't really want to second guess at this point. This DP will be over soon. I've outed my reads. There's some I've grown a little more uncertain of.

I want Sui. 
Why is it so hard for you to answer my questions lol?
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@badger
I think there should be forced activity. I think Max and ComputerNerd are just not playing the game. Whether they're mafia or not. 
There’s a difference between not playing the game and purposefully not playing the game. You clearly don’t think lurking = scummy and I frankly find that scummy.

It's a guess. And the rest of us making all these posts for us to then just guess on two inactives... is fucking sad. 
I’ve said from the start GP should be the lynch if we don’t have a better alternative, but he’s off limits for you too.
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@Vader
@whiteflame
@Mharman
@Discipulus_Didicit
@Mikal
to random to read or have coherent thoughts 
What are yalls thoughts on Badger not thinking lurking is scummy and the fact that the GP and the inactives should be off limits for the lynch today?
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@badger
I'll tell you what. Let's lynch Sui. If he's not mafia I self-vote D3.

Not D2 for reasons, but D3 I self-vote, no backpedalling, I'm dead. 

We can vote Greyparrot D2 or something. That's not a mafia deal, right? One ML on an unclaimed townie for a mafia. 
I’m not convinced Sui is a better target than a lurker or a TP. I doubt anyone else is either.

Let’s move on. Who else do you want to lynch and why?
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@badger
No there isn't. He hasn't posted. Am I gonna click on his profile and see if he was online and lynch based on that and call that a game? No. I would be fucking embarrassed to lol.
So you don’t believe lurking = scummy? 
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@badger
Yes that's so fucking boring. Can you not see that? What are we even doing in this game if we're sitting around talking about people who literally haven't made a post?
Again, there’s a difference in lurking vs inactivity, which you still haven’t answered. And boring isn’t an excuse to lynch people who are acting like scum


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@Mikal
What are your thoughts on Mharman?
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@badger
No it wouldn't. Mhar's posts are transparent af. He entered an empty game and made the only posts available to him to make. 
Posts 4-8 could be all said in one post. How does this =/=  mafia are under pressure to post. I feel like you’re tunneling Sui.

The logic for mafia is that they'd sit quiet. Every post a mafioso makes is just another to give them away.
Aka inactives who you want to be off limits today.
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@Mikal
Can you reiterate in a concise fashion in one post why you think Earth is scum?
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@badger
Lynch an inactive and they turn mafia, it's a fluke. That's a boring game, dude. 
You still haven’t answered my question. Is lurking scum indicative to you or not? Also it’s not fun to lose cause we outright just don’t consider lynching inactives. Bad precedent. It should be on the table.

Go with your gut on any active player here, and maybe let's have fun, and maybe let's learning something about actually reading people. There's literally nothing to read about Max.
At this point in time I wanna go for Mharman, but there isn’t much support. 90% of his posts have been fluff. Going to work. Off of work at this time. Have a bit before work. Want activity from CN, Max, etc. I think he only has one read and that’s DD.

I have largely townread around him + that thing I wrote about his first posts.
“See Sui's first post. Mafia are under pressure to post. There's often too much of an energy when they do post, because it takes more of an energy. Same reason you'll get mafia inactives. 

That read won't suit everyone but I want to lynch him lol.”


I assume above is what you mean. However, nothing in his first post sticks out to me. Sui said pretty much the same thing in the signup post to Lunatic and

In fact, your post got me thinking when I was rereading. Your post makes better sense with Mharman and his first few posts as I explained above. Your reasoning would make better sense with him behavior.


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@badger
Also can you give me a concise version of your scumread on Sui?
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@badger
I think we're not even attempting to play this game like it should be played if we're lynching inactives or obvious survivors. It's just a roles lottery then. 
Lynching TPs is better than lynching Max or CN, but the fact that you’re discounting lurking is odd to me
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@badger
I think this DP is going to end on a NL. Vote Sui. Lynching someone who's not posted at all is no fun, mafia or not. 
That wasn’t my question. Inactivity = No Posting is completely different than Lurking = No Posting. In your experience is lurking not a common sign of mafia?
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@Earth
@whiteflame
@Discipulus_Didicit
@Mikal
@badger
Thoughts on Max lurking as Supa pointed out?
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@Vader
I want to pressure Max. He's had the time to post his tourney and do live mafia but no time to commentate on mafia. Seems lurkish
True. He’s been active. He’s obviously seen multiple pings from the game but willingly chooses to ignore them. Even a simple post like I’ll post tonight would be better than nothing.

We need more people on Max
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@airmax1227
@ComputerNerd
You both need to give your genders and character claim at the very least.
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