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@Mharman
You know, MafiaUniverse does say Gramps has no specific alignment, so whoever said it was exclusively mafia was wrong. I should’ve fact checked it earlier?
I actually said that and you’re wrong. Says role is always scum-aligned
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Why would scum Supa CC an innocent read from a Cop? It doesn’t make sense either
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@whiteflame
@Mikal
I feel like we are getting played by Mharman and ComputerNerd?
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POE from my POV says that there’s 2 scum in WF, Supa, and Mikal since Sui is like 97% scum.
Lynching Mikal is a win win situation for us.
VTL Mikal
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@Mharman
Wait I just realized something.
If Mikal is telling the truth, we can just lynch him and then he can take out Sui. Hit two birds with one stone. If he flips town then you get rid of Sui and your other scumread in me tomorrow.
If Mikal is scum he dies and we lynch Sui tomorrow
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@Mharman
Like seriously how do you not vote Supa here?
I’m waiting for ComputerNerd’s results
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@Mharman
I disagree. He doesn't know what we'll choose to do so why would he even risk calling for a vote block on Sui if he were mafia, knowing it can implicate him if town randomly decides to. Not all WIFOM plays are good ones, and I respect Waterflame's experience in this game to the level where I think he would not try such a risky WIFOM.
I don’t think it’s risky at all. Everyone is taught to ignore results at MYLO and LYLO cause they mean nothing. It’s the perfect Avenue for him to do this.
Either way, can you agree that Supa is scummy?
He’s in my POE. If it’s not WF then it’s Sui, Mikal, Supa
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@Mharman
I agree to go for Supa for the Gramps claim (among other reasons, pushing for Whiteflame a little too hard would be one), but if I'm looking toward a mastermind, it could be you or Pie. I'm going with Pie for now since he also pushing really hard on Whiteflame, and I think you've pointed out way too much solid logic for me to give you any other read than town atm.
I still think it’s WIFOM from Whiteflame. He knows that at MYLO/LYLO we’d consider everything. He has a great ability to look up roles. Combine with with Sui’s theme knowledge, you got a killer combo.
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@Mikal
didnt badger soft claim innocent child?if he investigated a claimd ic then we are fucked lol
CN said he tried to Investigate Badger NP1. Dunno what he did NP2
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CN’s results should give us more insight. Unless he investigated Badger
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@Mharman
I think he is TP. If he hit scum out of a miracle and he isn't killed for helping town do it, I may be willing to reconsider my viewpoint.
We need his help to lynch scum if it’s 4-3-1
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@Mikal
its possible but no one is likely to redirect sui. He was the biggest target for most people that dayphase. Both whiteflame and badger where looking at him. I think its more likely whiteflame was redirected. Sui was basically promised to be lynched this dp. It makes sense that something was directed to him to stop that from happening.
It’s just a game of WIFOM then
I think its between you and supa if we can't get sui. I always scum read supa so im hesitant. He finished the hammer on earth without even saying why, now hes just voting wf without a reason. My brain is going toward supa hard but it could just be full on stupid
Supa is hard for me as well. He’s just all over the place
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@Mikal
If you think WF is town then it’s possible Sui could be town too. Sui could’ve been redirected so he didn’t see Max visit WF
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@Mikal
if mharm is scum, they cn is scum. I don't buy that nor do I think mharm is big brained enough to come up with that type of a claim
Cop could be a fake claim. We all know how Luna doesn’t like giving confirmable roles to town. They could also judge it from the fact that there’s no Miller and they don’t have a Lawyer or a Godfather.
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@Mikal
I don't see why wf would target sui. The second max flipped, sui was confirmed scum. Why would mafia protect him, it basically just ties himself to him. I don't see the play in this with mafia
Confusion + WIFOM. It’s basically what YYW and Vaarka did in a live games. Idr whether you were there or not
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Unvote.
If ComputerNerd investigated Whiteflame and got an Innocent, this game could be solved
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@Mikal
Whiteflame’s argument is essentially WIFOM argument.
Assuming he’s telling the truth, Sui could also have been redirected and they’re both town. With CN and Mharman being a scum team with Supa or GP.
If WF is telling the truth he’s town and it could still mean that Sui is scum
If WF is lying he’s scum and Sui is scum as well
Those are the 3 scenarios I’m seeing right now
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@Mharman
That could be a slip of the tongue. I was thinking redirector as well, possibly a mafia JOAT, given how many potential scum abilities we've seen.
We’ve only seen 1 scum ability…
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@Vader
I want Sui or whiteflames head on a stick by this DP
Has to be WF.
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@whiteflame
The only possible way that I targeted Sui is if I was redirected to him. If that's the case, I know I'm boned because this town is trigger happy enough to lynch Max simply for claiming another protective role in a game where one of those protective roles was a BP. Everyone suddenly seemed so sure that Max was scum, I didn't even have time to get on and say something about it.
Well you’re lying again cause Disc was also a Bodyguard. Earth had the Bulletproof.
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@whiteflame
I didn't target Sui. I targeted you. By the by, I am absolutely willing to lynch Sui.VTL Sui
Well, you’re lying so,
VTL Whiteflame
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@Mikal
I'm pretty sure mharm just scum slipped. He stated affirmatively a god father existed lmfao
Nah I don’t think so. It doesn’t explain how he knew Roy Petty was in the game. His affiliation is likely tied with ComputerNerd. If it’s a Mharman, CN, WF/Sui team then it’s possible but otherwise it makes no sense
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@Mharman
On second thought, there is a problem with that theory. We have a magistrate, are roleblocker, a ninja, and a godfather on one mafia team. That's four roles. There can't be four mafia unless there's two scum teams of two, OR if there is a mafia JOAT. We have a town one and this game is pure role madness, so why not a mafia JOAT?
It’s probably Godfather, Magistrate, and Roleblocker imo. Sui could either be a Godfather or Roleblocker
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@Mikal
I don't think he join wins. It's prob tp survivor
Nah GP is low effort. TP Survivor is hard to win cause you have to be the last person standing. Mafia could kill ‘em at any time. Doesn’t make sense here imo
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@Mharman
WAIT. What if there's a mafia ninja in the game. Sui could be telling the truth then and not have seen anything. Whiteflame is scum now for sure but I think mafia wants us to think we lynch Whiteflame then Sui. I think mafia is trying to WIFOM us.
No that’s not how Ninjas work. Unless it’s some weird modifier of another action. Ninjas aren’t detectable for NKs, but WF wasn’t NKed. And WF wasn’t roleblocked or anything like either.
Sui has to be lying
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@Mikal
This dp *has* to be gp or he wins regardless but if it's 3 scum 9 town , if we lynch gp I think we still lose. Actually don't think we can win. Even if we hit 3 lynches back to back it's a gp win. Lmfao
If it’s 4-3-1. Grey can deny a town win and joint win with Mafia if he chooses to since 5 votes are needed to lynch.
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@sui_generis
I'm not scum. I don't know what to tell you.wdym lynch liars I haven't lied so
You lied about watching WF and seeing nothing. Max is town so he wasn’t lying when he visited WF.
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@Mharman
Before I cast my vote for Sui, I would like to know a few things first.
You can’t. WF used his Magistrate on him, so he’s unvotable.
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@Mikal
WF used his Magistrate on him. Either he’s an idiot or he’s scum.
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@whiteflame
Why would you in a million years target Sui? He’s literally scum
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100% Town - ComputerNerd, Pie
100% Scum - Sui
95% TP - Greyparrot
95% Town - Mharman
Likely 2 Scum in Supa, WF, and Mikal.
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@ComputerNerd
Who did you investigate and what was the result?
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Even if Max isn’t scum here, it’s not MYLO/LYLO so we can lynch Sui tomorrow
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@Mharman
Uhhhh so why didn't you protect ComputerNerd then, since he was a claimed PR? And claiming you protected Whiteflame? Sui said no one visited Whiteflame, so tf?
It’s painfully obvious he’s scum. We had a Bulletproof, a Bodyguard, and now a Babysitter? Makes no sense
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So we have a Bulletproof, Bodyguard, and a Babysitter? Ya Max is scum
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@Greyparrot
@badger
Ask Badger.
Whip your comrade into place 💀
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@Greyparrot
Much like Brandon
Let’s impeach and remove him from the game 💀
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This is really sad. The President himself is inactive smh
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@Greyparrot
Is it 7 or 8 years from now that we’re all gonna be dead according to AOC?
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@sui_generis
that's kind of a weak set of reads, everyone is town and the only "scum" reads are just "slight"? seems lukewarm & scummy tbh
Opposite of Lean Town is Lean Scum. Either way, I’m confident there’s scum in the pile I mentioned. If you want me to rank it, I can do that.
Also, where are your reads? Let’s see yours if you have a problem with mine.
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