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Scum got unlucky that they killed their lone wolf lol
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@Lunatic
I investigated Sui and he was Innocent
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I’d be willing to bet Scum Wylted lied about placing his vote on Scum Buddy Whiteflame
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@Wylted
Why? Two people is a bad ideal. If one is scum and one is killed than they will just pretend they did not get the Innocent message. You are behaving like shit this game. It started when you had a town read on GP
I still think GP was town and he just flipped scum. Also if WF is town then 3 people could visit you and you still wouldn’t be satisfied. People can decide for themselves if they want to take the risk. But the protective roles should be on the unCCed claimed Cop.
If WF flips scum you’re likely scum.
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@Earth
Is Mikal even on?
Ya he’s on on Discord. Submit your vote there
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So either someone is lying and hasn’t submitted their vote or a vote has been stole or Whiteflame is a popular of some sort.
I asked Mikal whether WF was hammered and he said the day phase will end when a majority 5/8 vote is reached
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@Discipulus_Didicit
@ComputerNerd
Discord is up again. I think y’all are the last ones left
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I strongly urge people to be wary of visiting Wylted if Whiteflame flips guilty. At most two people should be visiting him.
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@sui_generis
at this point ILP seems scum to me and wylted hasn't stopped seeming town to me.
Yup, an unCCed investigative role is scum.
Reveal your role and who you protected.
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@Wylted
Wtf why? We literally need everyone visiting me. If whiteflame flips scum there is literally no reason not to. You can't argue I am some bullshit PGO role.
If Whiteflame flips scum and has the Frozen ability, then you’re 100% scum. All the protective roles should be on the Cop. Everyone else can visit whoever they want. Though if we have a Watcher I’d expect they Watch me tonight.
I don't need you pretending to cop me and get a guilty tomorrow. I want to be confirmed town, so we can finish this damn game.
I don’t plan on investigating you especially if WF flips scum.
Pie was frozen which is probably like poison. He will likely be dead if he is legitimately town.
Unless I get protected in the night. Only two people got the effect:
One is Disc, who screams town because of CN’s copy paste of his character. The other is me.
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@sui_generis
at this point ILP seems scum to me and wylted hasn't stopped seeming town to me.
What’s your role dude?
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@Earth
What if there is a strongman?
Doesn’t matter. You should still be on me. Let them use their strongman if they have one.
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@Earth
@sui_generis
Y’all should be protecting me tonight.
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Unofficial Vote Count (based on votes confirmed)
Whiteflame (4/5) - Pie, Disc, Earth, Wylted
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@Wylted
Sui is basically a doctor so 3. Also 2 jolts with abilities that can protect.
Sui needs to confirm what his role is. Either way it doesn’t explain why there are 2 Doctors when one of Supa’s protective abilities could be transferred to one of the 2 doctors.
I am pretty sure we are at Mylo and you are pushing a mislynch
Still haven’t pushed claims from everyone because it’s MYLO. Still haven’t explained why Mikal would have 6 scum in the game. Still haven’t explained why 2 Doctors would be in the game. The fact that you want to lynch outside a CC is scummy af. I will personally lead your lynch if WF flips scum.
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Unofficial Vote Count (based on votes confirmed)
Whiteflame (3/5) - Pie, Disc, Earth
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Wylted’s position implies that Mikal decided to not divide up Supa’s abilities of BP and JK and instead include 2 Doctors. This claim is just blasphemous
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@Wylted
Bullshit, because now Sui CCed both. We now have seen 4 protective roles, mine prevented an NK on town most likely so 4 protective roles. So by your logic 4/5 of us are scum. That's dumb.
A Redirector isn’t a protective role. Supa was still a JOAT with an activated BP not passive. I’m asking for Sui to reveal himself.
And it’s your logic that says two claimed Doctors are both town. That’s just laughable.
I find it terrible that you are asking that town roles be given away right now as well. We can full reveal at LYLO.
No, we always reveal at MYLO. It’s scummy to not reveal at MYLO. And I’m not asking town roles??? Be given away right now. Your stance inherently says we should do it not mine.
This false dichotomy of earth whiteflame is dumb.
There is zero evidence for there to be 2 Doctors in a game.
Meanwhile Sui virtually also CCed earth and it was ignored.
Tf? Who ignored it? I called for him to full claim.
Once I am confirmed town tomorrow, I am going to lead your lynch.
Ya lynch a claimed and unCCed Cop. Bravo.
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The fact that Wylted wants us to lynch outside of CCed Doctors is scummy af.
Unless Mikal is bastard, two Doctors don’t exist. Plain and simple.
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@Wylted
If you guys already placed your vote this is scummy asf. We have plenty of time,
Actually it’s less than 24 hours now
and it is highly likely we are at a Mylo thing,
You have yet to provide any numbers that proves it is. You aren’t even pressuring everyone to full claim if you think it’s MYLO.
given the desperation moves the more scummy players have made. I think your vote count is a means to passively pressure everyone there is only one viable wagon.
There are only two and one is better than the other. WF lynch > Earth lynch.
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Unofficial Vote Count (based on votes confirmed)
Whiteflame (2/5) - Pie, Disc
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@Lunatic
Ya mine says Skill - description (cop)
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@Lunatic
Well suis claim changes things... hmm
I agree. However, I still believe 2 doctors aren’t possible
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@Wylted
If I am right, we are at Mylo, and a lynch on whiteflame could make scum win, unless a protection role gets lucky tonight.
If you think it’s MYLO, why aren’t you advocating for everyone to full claim immediately?
I think we test the 2 scum team theory by lynching who would make up a 2nd scum team. If we want to be careful here than at the very least we should no lynch and see what happens. I think the best move is lynching most likely between pie and earth, and second best is no lynching
Absolutely not. We lynch within the CC. No lynching makes zero sense here when we can POE.
My theory is that we have 6 scum total. Two teams of 3, and that one scum team has been completely eliminated, which also might explain the NK being on scum. I just wouldn't put it past mikal to have 6 scum in a game
In an 11 player game? That makes zero sense. It also doesn’t explain why a scum Greyparrot would listen to other people rather than kill who his scum buddies wanted to.
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@Wylted
I am starting to think we might by some wierd fluke be at Mylo. Let's imagine if whiteflame is innocent. EARTH'S CC makes no sense. He looked like the lynch prior to the CC, so what town motivation is there for CHINGY and giving up the doctor. All of our roles have odd titles, but Earth's role is just called "doctor". I also wonder why pie knowing his information was unreliable because of my results, still afterwords was looking for any excuse to still lynch whiteflame.
It’s pretty pro-town to CC especially if it isn’t MYLO. At most there are 2 scum remaining, putting us at 6-2.
Also, I wasn’t making an “excuse.” I did research and analyzed a bunch of scenarios.
I feel like the double scum team theory is a real possibility and wouldn't be surprised if one scum team has zero people remaining, while one has 3 people remaining. It would explain why earth made the CC and pie seems desperate for this lynch. I think we should test my theory of a 2 scum team scenario by figuring out if we should lynch earth or pie.
There aren’t 6 scum in an 11 player game.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
It is possible that you are telling the truth about your role but that whiteflame is still guilty. In that scenario you didn't redirect the kill, it was aimed at warren naturally as he was a lone wold and mafia thought he was town (read his PM, lone wolf/traitor is potentially implied).
It depends on Whiteflame’s flip and his true character if he’s scum. If Whiteflame has some freeze character/role and I got impacted by it, it means that the effect came when I visited Whiteflame. This would mean Wylted would have to be lying.
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@n8nrgim
What happened to your main account?
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@Lunatic
It’s either a Wylted + Whiteflame team or an Earth + Disc team. Either way we win I think
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@Lunatic
Which can be explained by wylteds role.
Assuming he’s telling the truth, which we have no reason to do.
Discounting that there was already BP and discussion about the potential for multiple night kills. Also discounting any other reasons he may have had to have CC'ed as mafia.
1x activated Bulletproof, which is weak imo. Also the lynch today is between Earth and Whiteflame. I’ve explained why Whiteflame is likelier to be scum.
Starcraft / warcraft are not the same universe, also they were given a fake claim.
This ignores all of my post about the frozen to the touch. I know they’re different universes. But there’s only one where all the stars line up. Warcraft (WF’s world) has this Frozen Touch ability. Coincidence?
A dragon with a humanoid form. Thats kind of a stretch to say it stands out.
None of the other characters to my knowledge can switch forms like that.
And if he is town all we learned is that wylted is town, which could have and should have already been assumed.
I disagree. Wylted should not be assumed as town by any means. His affiliation will only be clear after lynching Whiteflame.
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@Earth
Mmm. Still, if WF is town, we have 2 docs.
Your vote should 100% be on WF. There aren’t two Doctors period.
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@Lunatic
Because Wylted role explains warrens death and the guilty
But it doesn’t explain why Earth would CC. There’s just no reason to CC as scum here.
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@Lunatic
Why are we still talking about lynching whiteflame? whats the logic?
Multiple reasons.
1.) He has been investigated guilty by me
2.) There’s no reason for Earth to CC here even with 2 mafia
3.) His game universe has a character with the exact same ability that causes the frozen status me/hydra has. It’s easy to claim another waifu in your universe as a scum member.
4.) His character’s main form is a Dragon, which doesn’t fit with everyone else’s character
5.) If WF flips Guilty, then Wylted must be guilty, especially if WF flips as Jaina because I could only get that effect if I visited him and DD could get it only if WF visited him since both involve a “touch.”
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@Earth
Theme is going to be "anime/ game waifus".
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@Earth
Does Sarah Kerrigan and a WoW character even count as anime?
Mikal clarified that it would be anime/game waifus.
Also for your vote to count you need to DM the mod. However once you do, you can’t change your vote.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I agree. Lynch is Whiteflame. I’m not convinced there’s an alternative explanation
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@Earth
@Lunatic
@sui_generis
@Discipulus_Didicit
@airmax1227
So I did some Googling about the effect the Hydra and I received. We know for a fact that Mafia received a fake claim. If Grey was scum, there’s no reason why he wouldn’t have used the fake claim and a reasonable role. I genuinely believe Grey was town.
Anyways, I was doing some research. Warren’s role was from Starcraft. His role was basically a good person becoming bad. Well Whiteflame has a character from World of Warcraft. The “craft” turned on a lightbulb in my brain for some reason. So I set out on a sort of cross-verification quest. Sometimes when characters are from different worlds, it’s easy for Mafia to character claim because they can just take a character from the same world their mafia character is in. So I did some digging about waifus in World of Warcraft and I found Jaina Proudmoore.
After more digging, I found that Jaina had an interesting ability in the game. This is straight from a wiki that I will link.
“During stage two, Jaina unleashes the full force of her power, freezing the raid over time. Dwindling heat sources must be used to slow the stacks of Chilling Touch in order to avoid becoming Frozen Solid.”
Very coincidental that Whiteflame’s character is from the same universe as Jaida Proudmoore.
If Whiteflame flips scum, it puts Wylted under a bad light.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
@ComputerNerd
Let me rephrase that: did y’all target Whiteflame last night?
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@Wylted
Are we going to decide on a lynch target?
Yes. We will. I may have cracked the code.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I think I may have the dilemma solved. Did you visit Whiteflame at all?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Ooooooh, he claimed death miller? I thought he claimed normal miller with a role. This changes things.
He said he was both. Normal Miller to investigations but flips Mafia upon death. Also had a Hunter role.
But there was no reason for him to be that transparent as a scum member.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Okay, given wylted doing that redirecting the guilty result is to be ignored but we still have a CC so lynch between lunatic or WF.
Earth and Whiteflame.
Note to self to check their character claims and review the way each claimed doc.
Characters work with roles from my preliminary research.
My question however is why would Earth CC Whiteflame if there are 2 scum left (GP could have been telling the truth). It’s 6-2 and it’d be 3-1 at the end of it with a best case scenario.
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