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@949havoc
Says you and your sock puppet? Your credentials are...
We’re all gonna die in 10 years anyways. We should burn all the coal we want
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@Greyparrot
He just likes deflecting. I somehow doubt though that purposefully ignoring a judicial order will be popular with most of the people and congressmen
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@Double_R
The false equivalence here is pretending that what Biden allegedly did is even worthy of being listed in the same sentence as any of the things Trump did for which you have no issue.
Trump was impeached for the things you mentioned and acquitted, but how is Biden ignoring a coequal branch any better? Let’s see how many congressman think ignoring a clear judicial order is not impeachable. Clear and concise case imo
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@Greyparrot
If it’s ok for a president to extort a foreign nation into investigating his political opponent and to incite a mob to attack the US Capitol, then this is fine too. I mean it’s not like he committed the grave sin of lying about a blow job or anything.
Sounds like something Adam Schitt would say lol
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@n8nrgmi
So u think if he was guarding property and someone tried something that he wouldn't have done anything provocative enough to instigate an altercation?
You mean show his gun and tell rioters to stop breaking shit? That’s provocative? What about rioters breaking stuff in the first place?
If he did anything significant it was a recipe for someone gettin shot. I guess u acknowledge he's just a stupid kid so maybe u r right he's not complete culpable for his portion of death. But if he's not culpable for being an instigator he's at least culpable for poor judgement
It wasn’t poor judgement to shoot someone who was repeatedly beating you with a skateboard. It’s not poor judgement to go your community and clean up graffiti. It’s not poor judgement to help someone protect their property.
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@n8nrgmi
Even if it's self defense y'all r basically just saying it's OK that he went there to shoot people.
He didn’t go there to shoot people tho…
Don't pretend that's not ur position cause its the only plausible position u could argue
It’s his community burning down because of rioters. The rioters shouldn’t have been there in the first place either.
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@949havoc
We’re all gonna be dead in 10 years anyways. Use all the carbon you want
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@n8nrgmi
one of the main reasons he went there was to protect property. he testified that he knew lethal force isnt allowed to protect property... so what he was intending was if he had to, to wait for an attack on himself and then shoot people.
Wait for something that seemed dangerous. The kid didn’t do anything wrong.
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- Are you vaccinated (or getting vaccinated very soon, no need to specify which), whether you are or aren't please state why (if it's a 'no' due to rare immunodeficiency disease you don't need to specify which just say health-related)?
Yes.
- Which vaccine, why that vaccine?
Pfizer, cause that’s the one my local CVS had
- Do you support vaccine mandates?
Hell no
- Do you believe Covid is a left-wing conspiracy?
I think it’s big pharma conspiracy. Big pharma that has direct ties to Joe Biden and the Democratic Party
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This case shouldn’t even be here in the first place. It was a clear act of self-defense.
The Prosecutor should be ashamed of himself for his actions in court today
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@Greyparrot
That’s the biggest problem. Anything Democrats do it’s ok. If this were Ivanka’s diary, Trump would be impeached again
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@RationalMadman
It amuses me that you can be so virulently opposed to British colonists but not to the Spanish, Portuguese and other colonists that brutally raped and pillaged while forming what is now the US.
We never fought a war with the Spanish and Portuguese 🤷♂️
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@Greyparrot
Why does it take 8 years to learn how to use the FBI to destroy your enemies? Biden has done it on day one. And Biden isn't exactly considered a stable genius.Even from the 37 percenters.
I’m just laughing over the fact people are still defending the Steele Dossier and it’s credibility lol
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@Double_R
If the hypocrisy wasn’t so bold, so in your face, so shameless, and so ridiculous, I would be happy to engage in the conversation.
Hypocrisy my ass lol.
A. There were people there who said Trump never did that lmao and the people who said he did are voting for Hillary Clinton
B. Even among the people who said he did, they thought it was pompous rather than perverted
This is not even close to what Joe did to his own daughter. Y’all criticize Trump for jokin about Ivanka, Joe pretty much did it with his own daughter
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@Greyparrot
We’re gonna have to circle back on this one
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@Double_R
You have a man who bragged about invading the dressing rooms of teenagers as your avatar, I’m really not interested.
Classic deflection as always
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@Double_R
Who cares?
Parents?
Would you put your kid next to Joe if he did that stuff to his own daughter?
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@Greyparrot
Lol, remember that the Government got paid by the cereal lobby to push fake science with the "food pyramid."It's a matter of historical record. Russel Brand has a lot of documentaries about the food pyramid scam that led to a nation of fatties that eventually died from Covid.
I’m old enough to remember that that was the mantra in elementary school
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@Greyparrot
Do you trust the government to keep you healthy?
Unless the government is my mom, nope lol.
My mom beats my ass when I start looking even remotely overweight lol
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@Greyparrot
Stop fat-shaming people you bigot
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@Greyparrot
Remind me again which president removed SALT welfare for the rich?
Orangeman duh
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@Greyparrot
Democrats have been "taxing the rich" for 50 years and haven't managed to do it yet.
Rules for thee but not for me
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Tax the rich lmfao.
Who would’ve thought a large amount of Democrats never agreed with that sentiment
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I’m a Texan but screw the Astros. Bunch of cheaters
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@949havoc
I love how he left out that more people died from COVID under Joe Biden this year even with the vaccine being fully developed.
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@Ramshutu
I’m telling you that you’re not understanding my position. You’re saying it’s idiotic to impeach/convict a dead person, I agree. But that’s exactly what DR’s position entails. You can’t sue a dead person because that’s a legal process.
Impeachment is inherently a political process, and per DR’s position the Constitution wouldn’t stop a hypothetical impeachment of George Washington.
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@Ramshutu
It’s clearly NOT DRs position or interpretation, nor can it possibly be thought of as much because a.) the motivating factors clearly and obviously don’t apply to someone who is dead - specifically the prescribed constitutional punishment of preventing them from serving in office again doesn’t apply and tarnishing their reputation is not a legally recognized punishment, let alone a constitutional one. b.) there is literally no rational reason why a sane person would conclude that an interpretation of a process that would include both current and previous office holders would somehow also definitely mean that the process would also apply to dead people - which it doesn’t. Dead people can’t be charged or tried in criminal cases: and interpretation of language for impeachment doesn’t suddenly reverse that - any more that the suggestion that extending the insider trading act to include current and former employees of a company - would magically extend to dead people.The fact that you’re still beating this dead horse is even more absurd: and frankly, I don’t know which is worse at this point - believing it or not believing it.
You do you my man. Makes sense to me. I can’t help it if you don’t understand my position. Havoc understands it pretty?
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@949havoc
Seems clear that any former officer is not impeachable, nor triable in a case of impeachment, nor, certainly, anyone who is dead, whether they died in office, or not. If they died in office, they have been removed from office, and are no longer eligible to hold a subsequent office, so all that impeachment and trial can do has been accomplished by other means. This clearly makes impeachment a political, not a legal act.
I completely agree. The problem isn’t my interpretation, it’s DR’s interpretation in my debate with him. His interpretation’s impact involves impeachment and conviction of dead Presidents.
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@Ramshutu
It’s clearly NOT DRs position or interpretation, nor can it possibly be thought of as much because a.) the motivating factors clearly and obviously don’t apply to someone who is dead c.) there is literally no rational reason why a sane person would conclude that an interpretation of a process that would include both current and previous office holders would somehow also definitely mean that the process would also apply to dead people. Given that the premise that the person a punitive process is designed to punish must be alive, is so generally obvious that one would not expect it to need to be explicit, no?Hence the question - do you believe this absurd straw man, or do you know it’s an absurd straw man, in which case why on earth did you go for something so absurd?
His interpretation of the Constitution implies they can be impeached. It’s really simple.
There’s two options: only current officeholders can be impeached/tried in the Senate
Or, non-current but previous officeholders can be impeached/tried in the Senate.
The latter interpretation inherently implies that the Constitution says dead Presidents can be impeached and convicted.
Non-current, previous officeholders is a set that includes dead people. And since impeachment is a political process, all it does is tarnishes reputation for the individual convicted. There’s your “punishment.”
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@Ramshutu
No its not - as I keep explaining; you’re just making this up, and frankly is so stupid I’m trying to figure out for either a.) why you believe something so stupid or b.) why you would troll with something so stupid.Again, as I have explained (and you have dodged 3 times now) - firstly: the motivation of covering former officials via impeachment is to prevent them serving in public office - which doesn’t apply to dead people. Meaning that arguing this is what he’s saying is absurdly ridiculous.Secondly: the idea that one must leap to the conclusion that allowing impeachment of former officials must definitely also apply or would encourage people to apply this to dead individuals for which no punishment can be exacted - is also absurdly ridiculous.It’s an obvious and colossal straw man which you still haven’t explained other than to reiterate the same straw man.
You’re clearly not understanding my position on the issue lol. I literally agree with you position, but DR’s interpretation of the Constitution directly supports this ridiculous belief.
His belief is that a President can be impeached and tried for actions done in his last day of office even after the individual leaves office. With that interpretation, there is no Constitutional restriction on who can be impeached, whether dead or alive. After all, it is only a political process.
My interpretation (and frankly that of the Founding Fathers) defines “President” as the legal officeholder during the time of impeachment or trial. DR’s does not. He believes Bush could be impeached for crimes he committed during the last day, because you have to be able to hold people accountable. It’s like giving a medal posthumously.
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@thett3
What I found funny is that Donald Trump wins even when he’s not on the ballot. Terry spent the entire race talking about Trump and that screwed him over the issues. DJT still lives rent free in the heads of Democrats lol
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@Ramshutu
Specifically, and I’ll repeat again: on what basis do you think extending a legal process to apply to those no longer in office - I would also make it apply to those who are dead; considering that a) dead people don’t fit the rationale and b) no legal process of punishment extends to people who are dead.
If you’re saying that I believe dead people can be impeached, I don’t. But DR’s implications with his Constitutional interpretation leave the option on the table.
I don’t think Washington nor Clinton can be impeached right now.
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@thett3
Yeah of course these are off year elections with a Dem President but these results are just embarrassing. These were both Biden double digit states. The fact that R’s can win Trumps rural margins without him on the ballot while also clawing back some Dem gains in the suburbs is massive and bodes extremely poorly for Dems. Losing once and barely winning a second time against Donald Trump should have been a giant warning sign as well. People really, really hate the woke freaks
Who would’ve thought suburban moms and dads don’t want CRT in schools. Who would’ve thought they cared about inflation and gas prices.
Ciattarelli is also very close but I think he ends up losing because of the Newark and Trenton machines, but he put up one hell of a fight in a Biden + 16 state.
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@Ramshutu
No, not really. The implication is dumb, and I genuinely don't know whether you actually believe it, or whether you don’t believe it and are saying it in order to troll: regardless of which it is, you’re reply is a comprehensive non answer.
Actually, the debate answers your question and that’s how the Fathers designed it.
If you aren’t an officeholder at the time of a Senate trial, the trial itself is unconstitutional. Consequently, a non-officeholder cannot be impeached.
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@Ramshutu
You should check out my debate with DR on the subject lol
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@Greyparrot
@Double_R
Fixed.Not that I’m surprised I had to, ignoring context is kind of a right wing specialty.
Hell ya lets impeach George Washington and Thomas Jefferson for being slave owners!
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@thett3
Youngkin by 1.5
Sears by 1
Miyares by 0.5
Murphy by 7
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@Double_R
Your avatar is of a man who’s never read it and has demonstrated nothing but contempt for its most basic principals. But go on…
Doesn’t really mean much coming from a person who thinks private citizens can be punished in front of a Senate tribunal.
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@949havoc
It’s been clear since Day 1 that a large portion of Democrats don’t like the Constitution.
They hate that every state has 2 senators instead of a proportional representation like the House.
They hate the 2nd Amendment
They hate that the Supreme Court has life appointments.
They hate the Electoral College.
Etc
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@thett3
Another respected polling outlet showing Biden posting terrible numbers in deep blue states, this time in New Jersey. 43% approve, 49% disapprove. The state level polls point to a much bleaker picture than the national polls do. Biden needs to find a way to fix this or 2022 is going to be a complete bloodbath
A greater and greater number of Americans are starting to realize that inflation is becoming a bigger and bigger problem. I doubt Ciatarelli wins in New Jersey, but if Youngkin wins in Virginia, I’d be mighty scared if I were a Democrat.
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It’s been 9 months and no “Tax the Rich” bill passed yet. Guess we got donors whispering in quite a few ears
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