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I’m with Lunatic on this one ! After analyzing all the back and forth between you guys it’s wise for mass character claim because I’m sure all you experienced players are gonna sniff out scum if we do that.. let’s get some guys to get on board and go ahead with that plan .. 

I mean I am blatantly telling them to if they are of those roles. If they don't then hopefully they learn from the mistake. We need to change what's meta and do what's appropriate in the situation, otherwise town will keep making the same mistakes. Noobs on mafiascum learn these lessons in their first games, why should it be any different on Dart?

Just don't be that fucking guy. If everyone has mass claimed except for you and you only didn't claim because there wasn't enough activity to vote you or something, I am gonna be pretty pissed off and just vig you or fuck with you as town until the day I die just for the sake of you being a petty asshole. Don't be a royalpaladin. We've dealt with enough of them over the years and it is pretty tiring. 

Let's talk like good players here; vets who know what they are doing and have years of practice... When we get in live mafia games and you start trying to policy lynch people you are ignored most of the time, because people realize the idea of lynching all millers is pretty retarded. It's an old meta that was made up by someone and only stuck around because you propegate it constantly. Truth is, millers are incredibly likely to exist in most dart games, and it's rare when they don't. The argument isn't all ad populum here, but the fact that you still push miller claims by cirtue of them being miller is frankly pretty idiotic. 

They are used frequently enough that they shouldn't be discredited based on claim alone. It's a lazy lynch train that is usually devoid of behavioral analysis.

Why don't you provide your own reasoning for the independent lynches of them? Oro already pointed out that this definition of enabler doesn't suit what his recognized definition of enabler is, and I called him out on it already for being poor reasoning to lynch someone. Other than that I am not really seeing any real reason to lynch either the miller or enabler based on their claim alone. If anything the wagoning on them makes them look more town lol.

It's not anti town to do it. Key word "smartly". Don't claim something dumb that is likely to be counterable, but remove yourself as a night kill target. And pretty much ignore policy lynching mindset's like yours that want to lynch claimed cops because they attempted to fake claim for towns benefit. That would be my advice. :)

I would love a game like that, few roles and vanilla heavy. The unfortunate thing is people here tend to get bored or disinterested without a night action. You yourself are one of these.

The few times I've given you a non power role in my games you get bored and are less active, and have openly admitted to this in the past.

Which feeds my point and rant a bit about how frustrating it is that players like you focus so much on role analysis that we have to resort to mass claiming. That and your god damn policy lynching which is absolutely retarded lol.

You just said you weren't going to claim today. So are you taking that statement back if the majority is okay with the mass claim? 

Yeah because you assume town is too stupid to do it? If you are right that is a bad reflection of Dart's town play.

Millers should fake claim. Cops and docs pressed dp1 should fake claim. The only case for them revealing is if they are counter claimed and it would other wise lead to a mislynch. It's really not as over complicated as you make it sound. 

You and your policy lynching mentality is extremely frustrating, and shared by no one else.

How often do millers turn out to be fake claiming? From my experience, very rarely. I am one of the few people ballsiest enough to try it, and last time I did it didn't work out for me.

It's just extremely lazy play. You aren't explaining how the enabler claim is scummy. The miller and the enabler are just scummy for the sake of being scummy I guess? Good argument bro.

In the case of those two characters I ecourage town to fake fake claim smartly. 

PRO MASS CLAIM

Oro

Lun

disc

drle

Oh lord, so your gonna be that fucking guy. Let's just get this the fuck over with.

vtl pie

And a 4th was being pressured, with earth. Also evil genius would have likely been pressured due to inactivity. Too many claims. I would rather no one claim, but since you and other shitty players here rely on them so often for analysis because you can't behavioral read for shit, let's just get them out now and try to hurt mafia.

When I am scum I absolutely fvcking love when there is like 3-4 claims dp1, gives me so much POE to work with.

In the last game me and poly figured out the power roles relatively quickly because of this. We left wylted alive only because we wanted to try and mess with his results, but I called him as cop dp1, and knew he was cop for a fact dp2. The more POE you give scum to work with by pressuring people for claims, the more of an advantage you give them. 

Assuming that bron is telling the truth they already know how to take out Ash, likely a significant PR.  If bron is not telling the truth then lets kill him. I'm still fine with a mass character claim.  

so first you're begging us to pressure Earth for claim and now you're begging Earth not to claim?  While you are still VTL'ing him?  How does this make any sense?

triple lol + one lmao!

Fucking terrorist!

We already have 4 claims, Earth isn't one of them. So at this point mafia already have a lot to work with. We are mass claiming now.

Not sure yet, day is still young. Game literally isn't even 24 hours old yet. Let's slow it down and play this thing by ear. Right now I am going with the mass claim, and we can see where we are after that.

Too late. I am already going for mass character claim. There is a wagon on earth and inactives, and already 4 plus claims. This gives mafia too much POE to work with.

If we are going to force multiple claims like this, we need to do it in a way that also benefits town, so let's lock in claims from mafia.

When they are forced to role claim they will have to cater a role to whatever desperate claim they came up with. Any of my fellow pokemon nerds can pick up on inconsistencies with these claims.

We either had to stop at 2 claims, or go full mass claim here. Ya'll want to keep pressuring people, this is the way to do it that doesn't fully fvck town over. 

Everyone is null with a slight town lean on Wylted. While I disagree with Wylted's logic, Wylted as town is not fond of the Miller role and goes on the same shpeel as before.

I mean if he was denying any fault or doubling down about the mistake, I'd say unleash all the dickish hell on him lol. But he seemed aware of the mistake, and was already beating himself up over it ya know lol

Well , I’m very new to the game and I’m learning about everything now. I’m curious to know and researching on some other characters.. What’s an ENABLER? Seen that being thrown out quite a few times 

I think earth and evil genius should be participating more, but I don't know if I want there claims. I will say if people are pressuring earth for a claim we need to just mass claim at this point. Because this benefits mafia greatly to have 3 claims dp1, so if we are going to hurt town with POE, let's also hurt mafia with POE.

Anyone with me on this? That's my vote. We either stop pushing claims now, or we mass claim. 

come on bro don't be a dick 

why earth?

How will we know that there is no Ash except by collecting all character claims?

OK, thanks.

Let's note that this is unusual.

An Enabler is linked to a specific role (such as Doctor), not types of role (such as protective); the Normal version of an Enabler is self-aware (and knows which role they enable). When the Enabler dies, all players lose the role that they are linked to, e.g. the death of a Doctor Enabler will cause every Doctor in the game to become useless.

Essentially, an enabler is charged with the same level of self-protection as the ROLE he is linked to.  How is a player supposed to know how to play his role without knowing the role he's linked to?

I call this claim rather suspect and worthy of some kind of confirming investigation.

whats sop?

If he is at L1 and about to be lynched, it is understandable to claim earlier than mylo

It being a policy lynch, is only partially because nobody should SOP claim it. It should be an SOP lynch on dp1 though. Miller claims in later DPs should only be done when aided by behavior analysis. 

Okay, stop being lazy and look for an alternative. End of convo.

Yeah, I'm not particularly on board with this logic for lynching Disc. Whatever your role indicates, and I'm not sure what that is, the Miller is an SOP claim by common practice. You can disagree with that practice, but lynching him over it just seems like reaching to me.

You and the Moon

I'd Like to think I am pretty familiar with pokemon, at least the first few generations. I think black/white was the last game I played. Watched a bit of the show back in the late 90's.

Should be a fun time. 

Whatever blocking is, doesn't sound like a major obstacle, so what's the big deal? If RationalMadman chooses to block me, that's his to do, no? Isn't it useless as a third wheels to talk about it? He will, or won't. Speculation doesn't further the discussion.  Seems to me that kind of sensitivity for an adult is a bit childish, but that's just me.

I hope 949 realizes how serious this is. When RatMan blocks you, that means you can't talk to him!!!