ILikePie5

Yeah, Mewtwo is a dick so he is miller, but Ash taught him the power of love and friendship so I became less of a dick, so I am town.

That's the paraphrased version.

pie and luntic could be bigbraining

Oh is this the reason I have a bunch of crap to sift through because I was gone for 12 hours? Not because something actually happened, someone intentionally wants to discourage town activity by fluffing the DP? Pretty damn gay.

I definitely think you are scum. This is 100% manipulation.

This is a pretty desperate seeming manipulation and twisting of words pie. Even for you. 

If you end up being scum and we lynch scum, I am okay with cop being out there. Hard to trust cop results anyway most of the time. Godfathers, lawyers, redirectors, etc etc, I honestly hate the cop role. I see way to many mislynches because of them. If you are scum I will feel okay with it. I think your Charizard claim stemmed from feeling it was safe because there was two other pokemon claims. 

Who else could you have claimed? Brock, Misty, and Ash are the main characters and all 2 were already claimed. Literally anything else would have been suspicious. You probably thought Charizard was safe because you believed my pikachu claim, which meant 3 pokemon and you not being an outlier.

That's why I was getting pissed because  you were saying you needed to get mislynched basically before you would claim. Which you have done that bullshit where you require town to put you at l-1 before you will claim, you do it all the time and its fucking annoying. Then have the gall to turn around and blame town for not getting an earth lynch off in supas game lol. People like you stall the game.

Are you trying to piss me off? Serious question. I don't FOS Lunatic.

We can talk about how much Charzard and Mewtwo appears, but can we talk about how the Narrator never appears? If you want to look at Charzard and see he only shows up in the last 1/5 of the anime, well the Narrator shows up for 0/5. 

If that was his intention, it was a failure to say the least lol.

Like I said, it's oddly suspicious, that's why I think scum is between either you or Lunatic. Do note you are still one of two people to claim Pokemons.

Just read that Luantic is actually Officer Joy. While this makes much more sense, I don't buy it fully. Everyone had claimed every since I claimed Ash, and it could be very much possible that Lunatic saw Officer Joy hadn't been claimed and decide to change his claim to put more pressure on Pie. Though I doubt this is the case, Luna is a good mafia player and wouldn't put it past him. Still this does put more pressure on Pie because of his original claim that I already wasn't fond of. This also means that Disc starts to lean scum a bit more

Like everyone knows Charizard

I am officer Jenny. Dropped enough hints about this that I'm pretty sure mafia can pick it up by now.

So that's the pm based reason to suspect pie, because now he's the only non talking Pokémon in the game. Now do you think he stands out at all?

I still think MewTwo is more likely a character than Charizard based on importance in the show. But I'll drop that argument because I see a world where both could be scum here and pie setting up the pseudo push on the policy lynch for miller to separate themselves. He DID say that he was willing to lynch someone over the miller.

To be clear I am not saying I think pie and do are the scum team but I am open to it being a possibility. I am feeling pretty confident about pie though.

Why is everyone only responding to the theorizing about whether charizard is in the game part though and ignoring the part about why pie was going to wait to claim charizard until 6 votes until he immediately decided not too lol

Saying that he would wait until 6 claims were made is arbitrary and maybe a bit of a delaying tactic, but for someone who was clearly frustrated with the mass claim and was initially saying he wouldn't claim at all, it doesn't stand out to me as particularly odd.

Charizard is definitely an outlier here, not a character worth pie threatening to stall the game out for so he can 6 votes though. Every other claimed character is a pretty "main" character comparatively, and that's even with me suspecting one of the other claims. 

Yeah cat's out of the bag then. I have a pm based reason to suspect the Charizard claim highly. That and Pie's behavior regarding claiming general, the posturing around how he was gonna need "6 votes to claim" and now all of a sudden claims and claims a character that stands out as much as Charizard really makes him my best option here. If he was posturing around needing 6 votes to claim Ash that would have been a different story but even then I was doubting he would be Ash here. 

Earth (3/6) - ILikePie5, whiteflame, oromagi 

It is, but Mewtwo wouldn't be in this game solely encompassed the first season. I think the idea is that the first movie took place during the events of the first season.

I think it makes you scum.

Let me make it clear that I don't necessarily buy the Enabler claim despite it relating to me. Ash is the MC and will be in the game. It could be a good fake claim to use and I used it in my game. I'm still sus of Lebonski

Like I've stated before and countless times, I am anti mass claiming. Giving scum more information to work with is ultimately bad and god for bid Ash is claimed, we may actually lose out on a key role if Ash is presumably town and a PR 

Suddenly this game went from a mafia game to a Pie slander. I'm leaning toward toward a Luna lynch at the moment. When he's town, fmpov, he usually critiques people over PM versus creating a post such as this. He also seems to also be going back and forth with Pie, discouraging town from looking into lynches actually versus gut pushing Pie. Needless to say, his vote of Pie for not wanting to claim when I have stated as town that I do not approve mass claiming is somewhat weird, especially in a game where people know the theme and can EASILY make up claims. I also have reasons earlier of why he was in my FOS and his banter with Pie is making me lean more scum.

I guess we are mass claiming. I am brock

Not really. I might be just bad at getting my point across. I have 2 distinct beliefs here.

1. Millers should not SOP claim.

2. People who claim miller on DP1 are probably about 50% to be scum. In this case I think disk is probably about 65% scum

I am Nurse Joy.

I am taking your non-sensical remark here as a concession that you realize it is silly to pursue policy lynches on millers lol. 

What?! No we don't lynch a claim tracker you goof... What? Are you suggesting you would lynch a tracker after he admits he fake claimed to blend in? Are you crazy?

Endgame in DART meta is more of a POE fest, as both scum and town, you get better bheavioral analysis early game especially with how role heavy DART is. Day Phase one is the day to play as a vanilla.

You make lengthy responses sound like a threat. You know me. I find them fun and a way to pass the time. When it comes time for others to get on and post I'll happily ignore you and focus on others, but until then you are just threatening me with a good time.

About what? We were both voting misterchris lol. I also suspected you, but there wasn't a whole lot of point in debating with you what did and didn't happen. You were basically denying reality, and inventing a reality that denied you were inactive or complacent. And I had said that if Chris flipped scum I would have less reason to suspect you, so debating with you back and forth was kind of pointless. If you were scum I wasn't going to convince you of that, of course you would fight that tooth and nail. There was no point in further discussion until the flip, and we were both right.

Sounds good. We will collectively be the bane of town's existence. And I'll carry the blame proudly whenever I get a vig as a power role in a game and kill you dp1. Even if you are a town power role. At least I can save town from the stupidity. :)

Oh my a claimed miller was actually town! Gee, what a wonder! And you let him live?!

Hard to do a whole lot of behavioral analysis when we are waiting on people to post, and the only two people contributing to the game are me and you.

My reads aren't solid, but I'll place disc, earth and oro in the null/town pile, and everyone else in null. Like I said earlier I am going to be on high alert for vets/noob combos in whiteflame, you, wylted, and supa. Starting to town read supa a bit though, so I would say I am not neccesarily suspicious of, but cautious of whiteflame, you and wylted, and I would like to see some more from earth and evil genius to assess if they have any part of a noob/vet combo here.

Your turn.

The new have cop outed, because they didn't fake claim smartly. Worst case scenario here is our protective role will have to play smart with an outted cop. It's not like the cop is gonna get policy lynched. At least if I have anything to say about it.

Well I am kind of saying the same thing, but you are twisting it a bit. Point is if you are town end game is to lynch scum. It doesn't make sense to lose interest because you aren't being handed results on a silver platter though, I am saying boring roles like vanilla should make you more invested because you can play with caution to the wind a bit more. If scum kill you as a vanilla its a net benefit to the town because they didn't hit a power role. If you are cop and trying to stay under the radar you might not be as willing to make yourself shine in the spotlight. I just don't understand the concept of getting bored because you don't have a power role, and I think it indicates a weakness that shows you rely on results or your role assisting town over trying to actually assess someone and meet that goal I mentioned earlier.

Awesome, you are almost making my point for me but missing a couple pieces of the puzzle. We can both agree that 50% odds of hitting a power role are not good. Where you are wrong is the 100% chance of hitting a power role with a mass claim, because now scum has to gamble with doctor protections, etc. As scum I might be more willing to target a player I would think no one would be protecting then I would be to go straight for the claimed main character who could be an investigative role. How do you think greyparrot got away with claiming power roles dp1 and surviving til late game all the time? Mafia are too afraid to get their kill blocked. The best case scenario is no claims dp1 and let mafia shoot in the dark here imo, but that was already fvcked up, so we go with the next best option and punish mafia the same way town is being punished by POE.

I have in the past, and unfortunately I think its just making your ego worse.

The more you get the last word the more you will continue to be stubborn and obstinate. I stopped responding to you several times in destitution mafia so we could get back on track. That said I will ignore you when others start posting and I get a better direction to focus. As of right now I have nothing better to do than to logically own you so why not?

I can't find it I think it was like 5-7 months ago when I was a bit inactive. I remember you said I was over rated or something or saying I am not that good as some people thought or some shit. It was really out of nowhere, and I was on mobile so I never responded to it, just let it go, but it's when I noticed the ego first blooming. 

I mean at some point you have  to accept that town makes mistakes though. If you punish town mistakes every time by some strict meta standard its kind of on you when you fuck up on mislynch them because you were so stubborn and unwilling to see that town is capable of mistakes as well.

Earth literally complied the best way he knew how, and you got caught up in semantics. His wincon statement said he was vanilla town, which also happened to be his role. Earth complied exactly as was asked and town misunderstood him and punished him for it. And the not reading his claim correctly was such a retarded reason to lynch him. I happily boarded it because I was scum, but even as scum I defended how stupid that lynch was for a bit because that's what I would have done as town. One dimensional thinking results in mislynches that you can easily just pin the blame on the mislynchee while refusing to acknowledge or grow from it at all. 

Sure they can, drafter does it a lot too when trying to make his points. That's why I am not going to dig through every fucking mafia game in history to prove how many times millers were mislynched based on policy chasing. Luckily I think most people are smart enough these days not to pursue meta analysis like this, but this doesn't change the fact that as long as you keep your vote on people for poor reasoning it isn't going to further the day phase in any way. You keep asking me what I am doing, who I am lynching, like that justifies wasting the entire day phase keeping your vote on one person for a stupid thing. Check yourself first.

I never said that lol. I just said I hadn't decided on a lynch yet as it hasn't even been 24 hours yet and there is a mass claim in the works that needs to be accomplished first.

You haven't asked me for reads on any one person, you just asked me who I am lynching. As of right now I am lynching no one. You could try to rephrase that and ask my specific thoughts on a specific player if you wanted this to actually go anywhere. I'd be more than happy to provide thoughts on a player, even if they are limited due to the dp not even being a day old yet and 90% of the conversation being me and you responding to each other lol.

We are not mass claiming for roles, I am suggesting characters only. I said power roles should fake claim smartly. Meaning don't claim like ash or something stupid like that.

You can always play your best game, what role you are should have no bearing on how you play unless you are mafia. If you are town your goal should be to hunt and find scum. That goal shouldn't be alleviated because you are handed results on a silver platter.

Mafia can already do that pretty easily with 2-4 claims, when you consider they also know 2-3 mafia players can also be exlcuded from the town list. If you can't learn to scum hunt without pressing people for character claims, then at least punish mafia by locking them into a claim they may not be able to back up later with a role that makes any sense with their character.

Which just proves my point; You are more concerned with having the last word than you are with actually having a discussion that progresses the game. It's why I will ignore you a lot lately; you are more concerned with the appearance of being right. Generally your just repeating the same shit or not even addressing my argument though when you do it. Kind of boring when you always play into your own narrative, but you do you.

You randomly called me out a couple months ago in a sign ups thread or endgame saying I am a shitty mafia player or something like that when I never claimed to be an amazing player or anything.

That and just your general gloating in endgames, blaming your team when you get it wrong instead of taking any responsibility, instead of just saying GG and moving on. You have a sense of superiority in mafia, but you really just could use an ego check. 

I'm not reading any of that.

Even a blind squirrel occasionally finds a nut, and a broken clock is right twice a day. Statistically, you are still going to be wrong more than you will be right. 

Your thoughts are based on the claim alone, devoid of context and thematic relevance, and the obvious one, behavior. I am afraid you will need a better case than that to get that lynch.

I am waiting for earth to popcorn claim, I can decide who or if I even want to lynch at all later. Again the game isn't even 24 hours old yet. What's your rush?

It's only throwing the game if you idiotically lynch the person caliming doc, watcher, cop etc. Which you of course would probably do and just blame them for the loss at the end of the game lol.

Don't get bored with vanillas claims then. Be the fix to the problem lol. There's so much potential with vanilla, fake leading mafia to believe you are a power role to draw the night kill, being able to scum hunt as vehemently as you want with little risk, etc. If you are town cop and playing extremely pro town you are much more likely to be night killed which hurts town. Vanilla is a free pass to play however you want and not fear the consequences. It's the best town role in the game. This site isn't like mafiascum, which is why I unfortunately cave to these role heavy games, but the point is that it could be just as good if we change our mentality about stuff.

Why can't scum slips also happen in a mass claim? Just curious how you think poly being new refutes the point about mass claiming lol.

Yeah pie. See this is the problem with you as a player, and why I am getting sick of being baited into these long back and forth text chains with you. If this were another forum besides mafia I would happily just destroy your illogical stubborness all day out of entertainment. I used to do it in mafia all the time, but I've learned most people (especially town) definitely aren't reading through these exchanges and the accomplish nothing but cluttering the day phase. If there was a conversation to be had, or you were open up to learning different or actually willing to change your mind on anything, this would be different. I've picked up on you lately as just wanting to be a stubborn prick regardless of your alignment, which just makes it all that more frustrating when you are town.

The problem is your ego is the size of California and Texas combined. I've noticed it with many comments you've made lately, and I just have let them slide, but it's pretty clear. I guess the first sign that you will double down and cult up with any belief regardless of the lack of logic behind it should have been the fact that your still a fervent Trump supporter lol.

I would say you should go to a site like mafiascum or mafiauniverse and try out these meta chasing antics and see how they work for you. But no, that wouldn't work. As you continually demosntrate in both forum and live mafia that you will pursue these retarded, absent of logic meta chasing of auto lynching millers despite having been told and explained logically many times how inconsistent it actually results in the lynch of scum.

Nah, whenever town loses it's always someone else on the team's fault, and never because of your faulty pursuit. The idea that town never makes mistakes (as you hold with earth) and when they do it's their fault even though you decided to lynch them knowing they are prone to make mistakes is another demonstratable thing that just shows what is already the obvious conclusion here: You are a stubborn prick.