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@Earth
I protected Lunatic. It shouldn't be a surprise that mafia has a roleblocker.
Well Mafia could have a strongman or whatever.
So were you roleblocked or not?
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@Vader
Town more useless than Joe Biden in Afghanistan
We’re doing fine. You’re practically confirmed town. Oak theory is gone.
Joe on the other hand. Yikes
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Clash of Clans all the way
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We have 3 days. Let’s talk it out first and give him a chance to respond
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It’s possible scum somehow interfered with Earth’s role. He’s still our only protective role in the game unless anyone else wants to come out of the closet.
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@Vader
There’s much more of a risk in lynching Bron than you at the time. We now lose an investigate role whil you don’t have any claimed role or results yet.
I’m a pretty valuable Town member with my role. And the wagon on me was stupid. I’m a Pokémon in Pokémon theme. Wow. I’m not Pikachu, cause my role doesn’t fit Pikachu, nor does it fit any of the claimed characters.
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@Evilgenius
i did nothing during the NP..
Shouldn’t have really said that. It reveals to mafia that you have no action.
Instead you should’ve just responded No Results.
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@Vader
A mafia passive role? Lol that’s funny.
Ya? Godfather, Goon, etc
The only thing that could be considered is Ninja but that’s such a low chance of happening
Why is it a low chance? And why couldn’t have Bron just not have done the NK?
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@Vader
What do you mean no? It is abysmal. I would’ve been able to track Bron to see if he visited anyone and confirming not only me but him.
No you wouldn’t have. Ninja, Passive Mafia Role, Didnt take the NK.
We now have no investigative roles from my knowledge, and why didn’t Nurse Joy aka Earth not protect Luna? Nah this is some pretty ass townplay.
Don’t really know why Earth didn’t protect Lunatic. If he misread or was drunk 🤬
Oro, Pie, and Earth top scum atm
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@Vader
Words can’t describe how poorly town handled that situation. I literally said to wait to lynch Bron to see if he’s telling the truth. Hint: I was going to track him, but no one listens
How would that confirm him? He could’ve had a Ninja, could’ve been a passive role, or simply not have taken the NK.
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@Wylted
@whiteflame
@oromagi
@Evilgenius
Any results?
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@Vader
I was a TrackerVTL PieAbysmal town play
There was nothing abysmal about it. You’re practically town and the Oak theory is gone.
And this kill clearly was intended to frame me
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@Earth
I'm okay with a drleb lynch.
You would be the hammer.
We only have 3 hours left
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@Lunatic
I honestly feel like you’re just trying to get me lynched for ego purposes. For the possibility of proving that fake fake claiming should be done more often. If I’m scum you’d just throw out a big “I TOLD YOU SO.”
And when I’m revealed as town you’d just be like oh well he was scummy whatever
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@Earth
Disagree with this. I can see myself doing this. The rest I'll agree with. How many Oaks are there? Gary and the Professor, but 2 mafia seems too little.
Sure you can, but it’s a perfect mafia fake claim cause it’s untestable.
It’s a 10 player game so either 8-2 or 7-3
The latter puts the game at MYLO after one mislynch. I think the former is much better. I myself prefer to require mafia to complete 3 mislynches to win.
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Pikachu is like THE pokemon you think of when you think of pokemon. If he isn't in this game charizard isnt
I’ve already responded to this
Ive already said roles matter more than characters to practically every mod. It’s why the Battle of Beth Horon was in my game rather than something like the Battle of Adrianople or the Battle of Utica.
Charizard fits wayyyyyy better with my role than Pikachu.
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@Lunatic
We shouldn't be lynching him. Pie is being effective here because I'm too busy to trash his narrative he is working in peoplw
I had class all day bro.
There is no “narrative.”
It’s the optimal lynch for a plethora of reasons while yours is just cause I’m a Pokémon.
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@Earth
I still don't fully understand why we are lynching Drleb.
1. The claim itself is sketchy. Enabler of a Character
2. Helps clear a theory of Oaks Family as scum
3. Helps practically confirm Supa (read Post 480).
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@oromagi
On such presumptions are scum wins built. You haven't given one rational reason why Ash must be TOWN.
I recall having done so but I’ll reiterate it. Ofc we can’t 100% confirm Supa as town but we have a lot of factors to cover.
If Bron is scum, we can both agree that he’s probably not the Enabler. Now the question is does he connect himself to Supa that early in the game without Supa’s knowledge of it? It’s possible but I’d put only a 5% chance of it happening. Another thing to consider is that Supa heavily sussed Bron for the Enabler claim very early on. Would Supa be willing to bus his scum partner that early in the game? Possible but odds are extremely low.
Now let’s look at if Bron is town. We would know that Ash must be in the game. Supa did claim last but if you read his FOS post of Bron, in hindsight it looks perfectly like what someone would say as Ash and PR (I practically did the same thing when WF and Supa were scum as Cop). So we know that Supa must be Ash. Question is, would he be a scum power role? It’s conceivable, but highly unlikely. Town-Scum pairings of Enablers and PRs are not only unprecedented, they simply wouldn’t make sense in terms of balance as well especially with 2 scum. 3 scum it’s conceivable but after one mislynch and NK it would be MYLO, which doesn’t make sense.
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@whiteflame
Honestly, I've been duped by theme analysis before, so I'm skeptical of this particular effort, especially as it's largely coming down to what is likely to be in this game rather than recognizing that games can and do often include characters for the purpose of linking to certain roles that the mod wants to include.
Exactly my point. Now let’s get the optimal lynch and vote Bron.
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@Evilgenius
We aren’t lynching Lunatic today. Options are likely between me and Bron.
With my option you get a 95% confirmed townie and mafia stretched thin on NK targets
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@oromagi
But the ENABLER claim doesn't confirm town because it is not ROLE specific. It only confirms that Ash is in the game, which solidifies Sup's character claim but doesn't confirm Ash as town.
Let be realistic here Oro, if Bron is town, Supa’s gonna be town. Town/Mafia Enabler pairs just don’t make sense in the scenarios I talked about
If Bron is scum, he probably lied about his claim and I don’t see scum Supa tying himself to Bron that early in the game.
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@Wylted
Guys. Bron is town. If we all role claim now, I can probably 100% tell you who is town and who is scum. I found a pattern, but you guys won't allow it, and saying what the pattern is, will essentially remove knowing the patterns usefulness
Definitely not mass roleclaiming 🤦♂️
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@Vader
Which is why I am questioning that philosophy that I am putting into place. I am going with a safe lynch with Pie to confirm the following1. The theme split is not Pokemon v Humans
Ok that’s fine, I wanna get rid of the Oaks vs test theory.
2. Essentially town confirms Disc to a degree (as Pikachu is a protag)
Disc is not Pikachu, he’s Mewtwo. If I am scum then by your theory Disc has to be scum so don’t really get this.
3. Allows us to gather NP results on people we believe are suspicious.
This would happen with or without my lynch.
It would also allows us to evaluate other claims since we now know some of those claims are fake.
This would happen with or without my lynch.
Also behaviorally he leans scum. I've never seen Pie so defensive about not giving out his claim when he is usually the one who is aggressive with claims as both. Makes me feel like he is scum and trying to manipulate town by playing against typical meta.
When have I ever claimed except when it’s MYLO/LYLO or I’m at L-1 or it’s SOP?
I said I wouldn’t claim until 6 people support a mass claim. I don’t believe in a mass claim just as much as you.
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@Vader
1. If Bron is telling the truth, I lose out on my role and are essentially an useless town confirmed member at that point.
And you being a confirmed townie is good. It also clears the Oaks Theory about scum. Also scum now are forced into NKs. How is that not objectively better?
There are other ways of going about seeing dr affiliation. Cop results and any other investigative role in this game. Drlebronski's role is sus, but compared that to Pie's character and his overall behavior in this game, I tend to believe he is the more optimal target, since we have ways of seeing if drlebronski is scum or not,
By this logic you have ways of seeing me as scum too…
Anyways what makes you think I am scum behaviorally?
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@Lunatic
We can debate all day about Charizard's importance in the show; He is one of Ash's main pokemon. But if there are multiple pokemon in this game, why would Charizard be chosen over other major recurring characters like Meowth or Pikachu? Even squirtle and bulbasaur are pretty big pokemon of Ash's. Charizard specifically is pretty random. It would almost make more sense if he came out and claimed Charmander.
Cause none of the other Pokémon fit my role lol. And I’m pretty sure Charmander is Charizard?
Roles lead to characters at the end of the day.
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@Lunatic
I've already stated why I think MewTwo is more likely a pokemon to exist; He is the ultimate finale villain to the series. I used to word villain loosely, as MewTwo was basically just the X-Men's version of Magneto. Fighting for pokemon's indepence from slavery against the "evil" humans, until Ash shows them that human and pokemon share an actual bond and it isn't just a stockholm syndrom type of thing. Charizard is one of Ash's main pokemon sure. But the reason I claimed Pikachu in the first place was partially as a test to see if there were any other pokemon, as well as because I wanted a cover up for cop. But if there are multiple pokemon in the game, pikachu is 10x's more likely to exist in it then Charizard. Charizard is less of a character in the first season then squirtle and bulbasaur combined... He's also a very well known pokemon for people who are vaguely familiar with pokemon because he is a fan favorite, which makes him the optimal fake claim for someone like you without a deep knowledge of the pokemon universe. That said I am not unwilling to consider the idea that disc is also scum, though me being cop lends credence to the existence of a miller and your multiple declarations of being willing not to follow through policy lynching him give you enough of an out that I suppose he could be your scum partner.
There’s a reason why Charizard was chosen over Pikachu based on my role. You and I both know that roles take priority over characters most of the time because roles determine balance, not characters.
Both of these are actually pretty minor characters and would have been equally suspicious compared to the rest of the claimed characters. I am sure you held on to these as potential fakes claims though and decided to go with Charizard based on the existence of pikachu and MewTwo claims.
The point is there aren’t enough major characters for the game to exist if we’re gonna talk about minor characters. There have to be characters that weren’t as prominent. But at the end of the day, as a mentioned earlier it’s the roles that matter in balance.
In Bullish's game a while back you were demanding people put you to l-1 before you would claim.
Link me the game so I can reread it.
Also in one of supas game you demanded the same thing, I remember because danielle teased you about it for like 5 games afterward, and you also blamed the town for mislynching you there as well, refusing to accept any responsibility for you being lynched. Which makes it odd that now you claim so eagerly.
Lol it’s cause Town was being idiotic in the game. If they’re gonna be that retarded then they deserved to lose. I don’t see any retarded shit going on here besides your genius idea for a mass claim. And these examples were months ago and I was both Town and scum if I remember correctly (correct me if im wrong).
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@Vader
Not willing to lynch Bron ATM, will be fine with PieVTL Pie
Can you explain why you don’t want to lynch Bron? It very well confirms you.
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Just finished my last out of 3 classes today. Reading up now
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@Evilgenius
Right now we are running under the assumption that Lunatic is the Cop as Officer Jenny. Investigative roles are a core aspect of every game. If there are two Cops (a counterclaim) then it’s obvious that one of the two is scum.
Just for future references, if someone claims your character and role you should 9/10 times say that you have the same character/role as them, because it could be scum trying to fake claim.
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@Evilgenius
This is confusing as hell lol since all that 4-5 page back and forth which ended up being political .well,we all had agreed to mass claim our roles. I don’t know why somebody would have to switch their claim. I know Luna explained it all but I guess the mod is very smart and just through out random scum to random characters to mess with everything and everyone and for that reason alone i say let’s lynch Luna.Vtl Luna
Can you possibly rephrase what you said here? I’m having trouble understanding what you’re trying to convey here.
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@whiteflame
Giving us some POE at the cost of a potentially important role seems more than a little dicey to me, especially given what you suggested earlier - that if Bron actually is the Enabler, that does not mean that the person he's enabling is town. Much as I don't think it's likely, it is still possible that Ash is scum in this game, and killing Bron could provide him effective cover for quite some time, even if it costs him a PR.
Sure but the odds are likely that Supa is town. If he survives to MYLO then he should be reevaluated along with everyone else at a holistic level.
If there are 3 mafia than Bron is easily scum in my eyes because Enabler is a negative utility role for both town and scum. And if that’s the case tomorrow is MYLO assuming a successful NK.
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@whiteflame
While I'm not particularly convinced of Bron's claim myself, we've been here before. Town may have won it, but during the Fast Food Mafia game, we made this same mistake of "confirming" Speed by lynching Disc. All it resulted in was an NK on Speed, which could very easily have led to town losing that game. Especially given that we don't know what Supa's role is, I think it's a big risk to lynch Bron over a claim that doesn't quite fit our expectations.
I personally feel that the lynch on Disc helped us begin the POE that ultimately led to the lynches of Poly and Luna. Scum were essentially forced into their NK and I think we can use that to our advantage this DP.
If Bron flips town, scum has a dilemma on their hands of who to kill. Luna is likely the Cop, Earth is likely the Doctor. If they kill Supa who is practically useless, they let a likely Doctor and a Cop live which is honestly better considering in this scenario Supa would virtually be a vanilla and 95% confirmed. If they decide to kill Earth or Luna, then they leave a town confirmed player alive which just aids in the POE even more.
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@oromagi
Haven’t seen you in a while
Any thoughts?
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@Lunatic
Do not listen to pie. for the love of god. please dont.
I would really appreciate it if you stopped making false accusations about me…
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@Lunatic
I am gone for the evening mostly, playing node war. Lynch pie! Don't let him have you lynch ash the main fvcking character lol
I don’t want to lynch Supa? I don’t know where you got that from
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@Earth
Debatable.The point being is that the Narrator doesn't have a character. He just doesn't. He's not Ash's dad or whatnot.
In plays and stuff, a Narrator is practically a character. They don’t have to act or do much but it’s still a major part to play imo.
Either way I think this discussion is doesn’t matter much until you put out what the connecting factor is between WF and another individual and their character.
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@Vader
I've been very adamant to not trust drlebronski's claim from the start since it's such a vague fake claim to make and have put him on my scum list because of it and yet you are applying this logic. If I were scum, why would I tell a noob to claim a vague character Enabler to make it seem like we are confirmed. Use some thought.
I know. It’s very unlikely but ultimately an option most likely worth a couple of percentage points to quantify it.
There is literally no winning. I have a suspicion of drlebronski because he said Ash, and everyone knows Ash and it's quick and easy to assume Ash would be in this game and it happens to be I am Ash. I didn't out myself til I was the last claim like was told. In fact why wouldn't I tell him to just claim that Enabler with my fake role claim I make.
I think if he’s town, you’re 95% town which is likely as close to confirmation you can get
If he’s scum then a further investigation is warranted but ultimately I doubt y’all would link yourselves like that so you’d more likely than not be town.
Either way I think a lynch on Bron is the optimal play here because it can confirm another player and the claim just strikes me as a claim scum would make if they though the weird mechanic wouldn’t be looked at a second time just because it’s weird.
VTL Bron
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@Earth
So is Ash mafia?
If Bron flips scum then Supa should be sussed.
If Bron flips town then Supa is essentially confirmed town since Poly likely wouldn’t put a Town Enabler for a Scum PR.
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@Earth
I think its plausible. I doubt it is something a new player would come up with.
I think he’s the optimal lynch today tbh. It likely confirms Supa if he’s telling the truth, which would be a big help in terms of POE.
As for his role, it’s likely his scum partner supplied it to him.
Mostly due to his character claim. I'm also not entirely convinced by his justification.
Don’t know much about Mewtwo, but I don’t think his lynch has more utility than a Bron lynch. I doubt Poly would’ve put a town enabler for a scum meaning it’s very very likely Supa is confirmed if Bron is town.
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@Earth
Or Discipulus_Didicit
Why do you scumread Disc?
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@Earth
What are your thoughts on Bron and his claims?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
100% sure they are related, 95% sure the relationship is grandson-grandfather.
Ya I just looked it up and they’re abuelo-nieto. I think it’s worth pursuing. Bron claimed relatively early and Oro had to soft claim cause that’s his meta. It’s conceivable both as scum just claimed their real roles.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
This echoes my thoughts when I read the response to the Charizard claim, though it is hardly rock solid. I have been considering the possibility of "characters that can talk vs those that can't" since the top of page 2.You must admit that you do stand out even if theme analysis is not nail in the coffin proof of affiliation.
For sure. But I’m sure there’s one thing differentiating everyone that has already claimed.
It’s why I think we should look at connections between characters that link themselves to mafia. For example, Professor Oaks and Gary Oaks.
I’ve been rather suspicious of Bron’s claim and Oro has sort of fizzled out
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@drlebronski
my justification is that professor oak helped ash a lot on his journey so if he dies ash would lose the guidance?? (i havent watched pokemon at all lol)i think thats what a justification is lol.
That’s exactly what it is. Thanks!
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@Earth
@whiteflame
Are Gary Oaks and Professor Oaks related?
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