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@oromagi
I am the opposite of a Pokemon expert. As I said DP1, I would sooner french kiss Donald Trump than watch a Pokemon movie.
I’d rather rub Joe’s hairy legs than watch Pokemon
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Also, I was pretty much the last one to claim cause it was obvious Supa was Ash. I could’ve claimed any one the Pokémon you named that fit better. But as town I’m not gonna lie. My character is Charizard and I am a Bomb
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@RationalMadman
So you really can excel in it for free? In the long-run?
Oh ya easily. You have to farm a lot but it’s completely doable. I’d say you easily reach a max TH10 in a year. TH11 and up is where it gets a bit harder cause upgrades are longer and finding loot is hard because it scales down higher up you go in TH level
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@RationalMadman
It seems extremely simplistic to me, vs the two I mentioned here but to be fair I never really tried it out as the graphics didn't appeal to me.
It really depends on the strategy. I like it compared to like Game of War which is complete pay to win and I quit that years ago. I hate spending money on games and haven’t spent a cent on CoC and I’m almost a max TH10
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@Discipulus_Didicit
What is this "specific word" you speak of?
Hot-headed. It’s in the same sentence as Fire
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@Wylted
What supa said about balance earlier we should pay attention to also. I can already tell the game is balanced in town's favor.
Depends on the roles left.
Plus we haven’t considered flavors. Luna was a 3x Cop. Supa hasn’t said if he was flavored and neither has Earth. I’m flavored so I assume they were.
Also it’s possible Luna could’ve been a Paranoid, Naive, etc
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@Wylted
I’ll find the post for you gimme a sec
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@Wylted
Poly is new to mafia and all the roles he created this game, are duplicates to ones he saw before in the games he played. Pie is scum and lying about his role
Poly is not new to mafia. He was on DDO back in the day.
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@Wylted
Disc is not town confirmed, and should be in everyone's scum pool
I honestly want to lynch him now to avoid the headache tomorrow.
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Wait, I just re-read your justification. Your PM specifically mentions your pokemon being fire type?
Ya it mentions it right before my role and affiliation statement. Poly uses a specific word to describe Charizard but I paraphrased it to avoid the Copy Paste
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@RationalMadman
It’s a pretty good game. I started playing it when I came out. A lot of content but a lot of improvements over the years.
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@Vader
Well a Mega Bomb does it for all NK's on you, Bomb is just one. That doesn't necessarily means much in the long run
I’ve never seen a Mega Bomb. What’s that and how’s it different from a Bomb.
I mean if a Vig exists and they and scum NK me we’d have to ask priority cause it says attacker, unless it’s a typo. I’ll ask Poly to confirm.
At this point I doubt scum target me though. Lunatic’s foolery brought this. He wouldn’t have been targeted if he had kept his mouth shut and played the meta - a meta that works mind you.
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@Vader
Running the assumption isn't smart. So you are EVERY LETHAL NK. Ok.
What makes you believe there’s a Vigilante in the game?
I actually think there's more likely to be a Vig in this game. That role seems tends to be a Negative Utility to it when it's only visits and is usually an SoP. The way you are claiming it seems to be that it's only for Lethal Actions, which if there is no Vig, that means Scum can't target you. Doesn't that seems relatively overpowered.
Scum theoretically can target me. If they’re smart enough they already know whether I’m Odd or Even and will act as such. And again, you’re running on an informed perspective.
An essentially 1x Vig of a Scum Member in exchange for yourself. It seems heavily OP IMO and more a town utility. To balance it out, I would think there is a Vigilante in this game to make it more balance (though I can't say for sure). This isn't the typical role of a Bomb, so I do have my skepticism about it.
Well we can ask the town then. I don’t think it’s needed at all. And it is the typical Bomb role. You’re thinking of a PGO which kills on ALL visits.
This is either a town favored balance or you are lying and the latter seems the most reasonable ATM
Your analysis is full of flaws that I’m trying to help you realize. Namely that you think my role functions as the PGO when it isn’t.
And the fact you believe a Vig should exist in this game when there’s no reason to believe it does.
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@Vader
Also I don't know fi Poly has modded, so I don't wanna use balance and all into this, but a Bomb that is only for lethal actions seems OP as hell for town, especially with 3x Cop, Tracker, Doctor. Balance just seems off and his claim is pretty iffy at best
That’s how Bombs work. What you are describing is a PGO who kills everyone that visits him. That’s not my role.
Also you are neglecting the flavoring of my role. I reallly don’t want to reveal it cause it helps mafia but use your brain and you’ll see which it is and why it fits the balance.
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@Vader
VTL PiePie keeps contradicting himself and after reviewing is role and such, I think Pie is scum.
There’s no “contradiction.”
My role states if killed at night you will kill your attacker.
A.) Vigilante would make the balance even worse
B.) If you want to be technical my role has a singular. Could be a mistake but I have little reason to suspect a Vigilante.
If anything scum have a reason to be fearful of a Vigilante, not a townie.
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@Vader
It's a skepticism. I said so all lethal actions were to kill you and you said yes. That means in theory, if a vig where to exist, it would die. You then stated that
Yes I did. And I stated the latter because I have no reason to believe a Vigilante exists in this game especially after last night’s events.
How do you not know there's not a vig, you are taking back what you said earlier
I don’t know 100% but balance wise it doesn’t make sense 95% of the time. I’m not taking anything back. I was running under the assumption a Vig doesn’t exist. If a Vig did exist I’d be surprised why the Miller wasn’t targeted last night. Hell I’d be surprised why he didn’t shoot at all.
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@Vader
But you said it goes for ALL LETHAL actions. If a vig where to exist in this game, you're saying it wouldn't kill you? That seems too OP
I never said a Vigilante wouldn’t kill me and him. But that’s besides the point. What makes you think a Vigilante even exists.
If my role were every night it would be insanely OP, but I’m flavored and the flavoring in a way makes it even more weaker if you think hard about it.
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@Vader
Alright I'm at lunch and I had some time to think about Pie's claim and now I'm not really liking it1. It justifies the fact why he wouldn't die in the NP
I can still die in the night.
2. It is OP as hell for town to have a role preventing NP actions
It’s only scum NKs. And if you reread, you can see why I was so against mass claiming. Keeping my role quiet does more than claiming it outright.
3. There's no way to prove he isn't lying if we see someone visit him now that my tracker doesn't work
There’s no way to prove anyone at this stage in the game. It all relies on behavior.
MafiaMafia either have a RB or a Strongman, where Strongarm can't counter a Bomb (don't quote me though)
I’ve already asked Poly whether a Strongman can get through my role. It’s also possible they have a JOAT, where both Strongarm and RB are in it.
This would be almost impossible to balance properly. I think Pie is scummy asf, but I want to wait for oromagi to claim
If everyone else claims Vanilla I can see it happening.
Also we’re looking at this from an informed perspective because of the mass claim. If you look at it uninformed especially with my flavor you can see that Enabler makes it weak for Tracker. Cops and Doctors are susceptible to RBs/Strongarms. A flavored Bomb makes it 50/50 for mafia though if you look at balance with my actual flavor it makes more sense.
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@Earth
@Discipulus_Didicit
What are your thoughts on Oro?
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Not arguing because I don't want to give you the opportunity to start a multi-page back-and-forth to screw with town like with you and lunatic last DP,I will clarify however for the benefit of any townies reading this that I do not have any solid theories about theme split right now. My post a few posts ago was not meant as a pro-"pkmn vs human theory" post, it was meant as an anti-"everyone has gotta be main characters cuz reasons theory" post.
I will briefly respond that I as a mod take into consideration outlandish and outlier claims for town unless they are purposefully done. Could my claim be purposefully done? Idk. But with the balance at the end of the day, I believe my role makes sense. Characters don’t mean as much as roles and balance.
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@Earth
Whats the harm? If Ninjas could safely kill bombs then we should at least think about the existence of a Ninja if we had a tracker.
They can’t though. It’s not in their role description.
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I want to lynch Disc but I’d also be open to lynching Evil or Oro depending on their claims.
VTL Disc for now
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@Discipulus_Didicit
OMGUS or actual read?
Actual read. Miller claims being inherently scummy. Also you haven’t said once who my scum partner would be.
Your assumption is Pokémon v Town, but you’re the only other claimed Pokémon. As scum I wouldn’t know if the theme were Pokémon v Town, so why would I claim a Pokémon
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@Discipulus_Didicit
You know I don't put too much stock in theme analysis but if I did I would point out that all the other claims were humans except for the miller whose job is to look scummy.
See, I don’t really believe you are the Miller, I think you’re scum.
What I mean is "look at what others claimed" is not a good tactical move on your part at the moment.
But your description just says you were bad then good. What does that have to do with you being a Pokémon?
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Reads:
Town:
Pie
Earth
Supa
Lean Town:
Whiteflame
Wylted
Null:
Oro
Evil
Lean Scum:
Disc
I think scum are out of the Null and Lean Scum categories.
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@Earth
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@Vader
Pie's claim is interesting because it's not like his role is everything and is only lethal actions. I've also seen him do this trick with scum guessing when I was scum saying that scum will regret killing him, it makes me lean more town to him, but he is still slightly scum
In terms of balance it sort of evens out the loss of a Tracker via Enabler or loss of another Power Role. The flavor makes my role not as OP, but at the same time causes mafia paranoia.
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@whiteflame
@oromagi
Y’all are Pokémon experts. Is there a main Pokémon that fits Bomb better than Charizard?
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@Earth
Maybe Mafia has a ninja to kill bomb.
Ninjas don’t have anything to do with Bombs to my knowledge. Ninjas just don’t get seen in Tracker/Watcher/Voyeur/Motion Detector reportd
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Says who?
After putting all the major characters, you think Poly is gonna put a very minor Pokemon in the game when Charizard fits pretty well?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I will have to think of this further but right now I am just picturing the mod setting up this game and wanting a bomb role then thinking to themselves "what pokemon fits the role of bomb really well?" and somehow NOT choosing a pokemon that is an actual bomb, of which I can think of several just in the 1st generation.It's a weird picture.
If he wanted to look at main characters which is literally what he did based on claims, then Charizard makes sense imo. Unless there’s a main character besides Charizard that fits better. Idk
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@Vader
Is bomb just for lethal actions
Correct. It’s flavored, but I won’t reveal which one without a very very good reason.
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Justification
It says I am a Fire Type Pokémon that is super passive at times and doesn’t listen to Ash’s commands. But at other times, I am extremely aggressive and annihilate my opponents.
Paraphrased.
Are we really going to say that Charizard fits the bomb role perfectly when there are literally pokemon that blow themselves up ad an attack?
I mean it has to be one of the main Pokemon. Which is why Charizard is up there with Pikachu. Idk any other Pokémon lol
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@Discipulus_Didicit
You keep going on about how being one of only 2 pokemon and being the only character that can't talk is not suspicious at all because Charizard "fits your role super duper gud". Why not elaborate on that?
Alright, I wanted to avoid it but I can make life hell for mafia even by claiming.
I’m a flavored Bomb. The flavor is either Even Night, Odd Night. Not going to reveal which one. If scum want to kill me that’s on them.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
VTL pieShould be obvious why he is top suspect now.
Can you please elaborate?
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@Earth
You constantly twist my words. Like to the point where its scummy.
I don’t do it on purpose. I really don’t understand what your point is or what you’re saying half the time. It’s not just me. Others are confused too.
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@Vader
Also in regards #59 to the counterargument of "scum could waive a kill/action," it's a suboptimal move from scum to do such a thing. You need to gather info about roles and such to kill the best targets
I meant Bron just wouldn’t do the NK. His scum partner would. Or Bron would be a Ninja and kill Luna while Earth is supposedly roleblocked
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@Vader
Mafia has a RB or Strongman then. Could be the reasoning as to why Lunatic. Still this could be an intricate lie and I have no way of knowing. For now I will hold off to prevent anything
I could theoretically see a game where my role isn’t possible with a Doc, but I think the theory doesn’t really have merit
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@Vader
Nah this is some pretty shit townplay. Sure I'm town confirmed to an extent and Disc is now essentially town confirmed, but that doesn't narrow down the POE. We still have
I agree you are practically Town confirmed, but Disc is not in my opinion. Miller claims are still inherently sus in my opinion.
1. oromagi2. Whiteflame3. Pie4. Evilgenius5. Earth6. WyltedMy only town reads atm are evilgenius and wylted so that's only1. oromagi2. whiteflame3. Pie4. EarthThat's a 2/4 chance of hitting scum fmpov, 50% odds, but looks what happens if you are lynchedWe'd have1. oromagi2. Wylted3. Whiteflame4. Evilgenius5. Earth6. LeBronAssuming you are town, we'd have results on Lebron that would essentially lock him as town. This also assuming my reads stay the same
I’ve already explained why there is no way to confirm Bron. You tracking him means nothing cause he could’ve waived his action, been a passive scum role, or just not have done the NK.
1. oromagi2. Whiteflame3. EarthThere's 2/3 chance we hit scum in that pile. You would obviously throw me into that pile as well if you weren't me, but if I tracked Lebron to nothing he'd be confirmed. And if Earth was RB'd, two action would've happened.
One scum can kill and RB. You realize that right?
Essentially, game would've been easier and that scenario assumes you are TOWN, if you are SCUM, town are in a better position because we now know theme
No, the scenario would be much worse because Bron’s affiliation would still be unknown, as well as yours. You keep looking at it from your perspective, when you also have to look at it from everyone else’s.
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@whiteflame
I am kind of baffled by this early wagon on Earth. I understand that Luna's death implicated him somewhat, but as Pie said and as Earth later confirmed (albeit after some back-and-forth), that was likely the result of a mafia RB. Scum might not have known that he was the Doc if he had given a fake claim in DP1, but what's done is done. The fact that Earth was unsure about whether scum using Strongman would result in a similar outcome to an RB (that the action failed) looks townie to me, since I'm sure that if he was scum, he wouldn't have bothered asking here. More importantly, he has claimed Nurse Joy and we now have confirmed that Officer Jenny is in this game. I would have a very hard time believing that Nurse Joy is not in this game, and given that no one has CC'd him and no one else protected Luna, I'd say he's virtually town confirmed at this point.
I agree. Earth is practically Town unless Nurse Joy and Doctor are fake claims given by the mod.
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@Earth
Stupid lynch aside, lynching Pie should be top priority. Anyone that can read should be able to see Pie constantly misinterpreting my posts and generally being scummy.
If I misinterpret your posts, you correct them for me. Different people read different things. And you know that you yourself are clear sometimes, which is why I ask to confirm what I interpret
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@Vader
I have an 8:45 class. Not my fault
Don’t know why you do that to yourself freshman year lol
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Bron was clearly town. Anybody on that lynch is suspect
I’d disagree. The role was wacko.
Yeah, plus he practically claimed to town read Bron and still hammered, but you tracked pie to the NK target right?
Supa lost his tracking power so he couldn’t track anyone.
That's good enough for meVTL Pie
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Y’all really are some early birds. Reading now.
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@Earth
Does Strongman give you a message?
No…?
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@Earth
I received a PM saying my action failed.
Ok so you were roleblocked. Then what makes you think mafia used a strongman?
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@Earth
How am I supposed to know? I protected Lunatic but my action failed, so either mafia roleblocked me or they had a strongman.
You didn’t receive a message from Poly saying your action failed or you were roleblocked?
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