ILikePie5

i feel that. ima change mine to fast food too. 

I suggest TOWN take this opportunity to investigate the next lynch. I will only take 4 hits to die (1 lynch + 3 vigs). The rest of TOWN should focus their firepower elsewhere. 

I can’t say I was convinced, just that he was exhibiting the most sus behavior. The 4X Vig slip was a start, though it was really the more expansive and increasingly frustrated defensiveness that stood out to me.

You did not lead the lynch. Nice try. Next. I mean if you are scum here I imagine you try to sell this point really hard, which just makes you look scummier though. 

If there's two third parties instead of 2 mafia then that logic is ruled out.

Not a single person referenced your reaction post as a reason for voting him.

What evidence do you have that can substantiate it?

If anything supas scum read on him stemmed from me calling out chris for his reaction, as supa referenced that at one point.

According to pie we are told how many times we are shot. So, how many lives do you have left?

I will say I am kind of suspicious that pie was shot. I don't see the reason why. Inb4 "PiE lEd ThE lYnCh" Bullsh1t he did.

He doubled down on a lynch that was inevitably going to happen and he was one of those that was the second most scum read that day phase. He only amped up his read on chris AFTER being severely FOS'ed by me for playing inactive / disinterested. He contradicted himself multiple times when responding to "why he was dis-interested" because he thought this was essentially an "all vanilla game" even though he basically ceded that by trying to make a plan that uses the vig roles as a pseudo investigation.

Unless someone actually claims to have shot pie here I will be pretty suspicious of him as a target here. That or the third party is pretty noob.

Also if chris doesn't end up flipping mafia I won't buy a mafia element in this game at all. If he is mafia, then I think poly is pretty much confirmed town pool in my eyes. I'll feel good about supa too since he called out the mechanics of the town role before it was publicly discussed when I outed him for the slip, but this relies on chris being truthful about being 10x which would prove undeniably that scum didn't know what town was at that time. We really need chris's flip to figure that out. 

That's a start. MC could be the culprit, but his saying that he isn't would be a good bit of information. I'm assuming you shot MC?

Pie you are talking in circles and ignoring my argument to be repetitive. You didn't present any new evidence that suggests why your plan will be successful and have admitted that without knowledge of mafia roles it's relatively useless at this juncture in regards to proving who scum is. The extra layer is unnecessary and just causes wifom. Let's just do this normally and use night kill analysis as added pressure next day phase. 

The added layer of complexity while we don't know how the mafia's roles function is the problem with the plan. I specifically don't like this part: The other 3, Luna, WF, and Disc (as well as Chris if he’s actually town) waive tonight. If Chris doesn’t die, we know he’s scum and one of Me, Supa, Poly, and WF are confirmed scum. If there are 5 shots in the night then we know there’s scum in Luna, WF, and Disc

If you are mafia here and have inside information of what roles scum have and know you can commit some kind of fuckery here to implicate others based on this information then town will be set up for failure. We can execute stuff like this later in the game potentially with a mafia flip.

For now I think we should at least make sure people are communicating their intentions or are ready to defend them next day phase. Again I am not looking for this to break the game, because like you pointed out there is too much potential for mafia fuckery, I just want to use it as a tool to help scum hunt. 

I mean I can understand why you wouldn't want to be convinced your actions are scummy or manipulative here. So I guess there is no point in discussing this point of logic with you if your answer is "its just obvious" lol

The "town is screwed" part was not mentioned by you when you voted initially.

Not if we don't know how the mafia roles work.

Why doesn't it work? It's not meant to be a solve all like yours is trying to be. 

I came up with the "communicate your night kill" plan you just modified it. 

This was YOUR point bro I was bringing up the fact that I think it's weird you were literally just arguing that fuckery can happen yet make a plan that allows for the same fuckery. You are the naysayer here not me lol

You changed it mid-dayphase after I brought up the reaction to pressure and was FOSing you for not putting on your A game. You initially dropped the vote and explained very little behind it, making a vague parrallel between this game of his and another one.

You just started adding all this reaction stuff to your chris read lol.

Alright just got home from work. First of all, the line by line responses you made to me about the game being "all vanillas" are self refuted since your plan highlights the same general principle I am talking about with using the vig mechanics utility as a pseudo investigative means to solve the game.

Second, the last line of all this pretty important: ***This is Ofc assuming Mafia are also all 4x Deathproofs and each can perform the “NK”

We have no clue how the mafia mechanics work yet so complex plans like this have too many unknown variables.

Furthermore if you (or anyone else who suspects misterchris scum slipped) were to operate with this plan, you are basically admitting that the scum read on chris that started with the 4x vig thing was bogus, and if anything makes him look town.

In regards to "Chris's reactions to pressure is scummy", I started that whole thing, so not going to dis-agree with you there. Also I feel like you are morphing your original argument a bit towards his defense when originally you dropped your vote on him it was solely for the tracker "parralel". It seems like you are doing this in a clever manipulative sort of way to double down on chris as well as to make it look like you were putting more effort into the game then you actually were at the time, as a post-justification. You didn't mention the stuff about chris's reaction to pressure until just now, after I have made that a pretty big point with him...

Everyone having the same role doesn't mean it's a vanilla game though. This basically gives you the power to decide a lynch at night as well, theres a lot more choice and responsibility with this concept.

If you think about it, since wylted is literally going to be telling us when death proofs are used, we can force all players to out there vig targets each day as a new form of building suspicions.

We can sus out why someone vigged so and so, and if we don't buy there reasons its something to FOS them for. And we can pretty much determine the mafia night kill targets by forcing this information out, which gives us town confirmation.

I think the longer the game goes on, you will see how OP this set up actually is for town if we use the information correctly.

I read what you referenced earlier, I didn't find it crazy convincing if you argument is that he was asking for someone to cop him knowing he could lawyer it, to this game where he is asking to be tracked.

The large difference is whether I buy chris being that blatantly lazy as scum to not have read that everyone was claiming the same thing, so him asking to be tracked almost makes it look more innocent (in that I kind of agree with disci, though I don't give it a full pass since it could have been a genuine scum slip). If were looking at chris as a  scum target here I am more interested in his reactions which I still think air on the side of scummy. 

My point in regards to you being scummy is just the general lack of effort. You made that one point on chris and kind of have been absent. Then the prior bandwagon on supa doesn't help.

Idk I guess I am just noticing a difference between your town play here and in the last game, and you seem generally less than enthusiastic.

Even with your chris read, it doesn't really seem like you are pushing it hard, or trying to get inactive town on to vote, etc.

These are things I have come to expect from town pie. Just a general interest in moving things forward. You know that pie impatience, wanting to get the ball rolling. Where is that?

It looks like Chris is the hip thing to FOS. I don't really get what the Tracker thing is supposed to prove.

Right now it's him or Chris, and I feel pie is scummier atm based on his less than enthusiastic approach to the game, and general low effort. Doesn't seem interested in solving who scum is. I'll probably be using my vig on him tonight,

I'm also putting Pie in my lean scum. He just seems to keep jumping on the most convenient wagon without thinking. Assuming everyone is vig with 4x deathproof, it's not like Pie is vanilla, so why is he being lazy

We can all agree to focus our vigilante kill at night on the scummiest player.  That should be enough to kill that player in one night phase and move the game along much faster. 

Also, claiming there’s a tracker after everyone but you already claimed vigilante/deathproof seems a bit scummy as well. 

I think the best bet would be to lynch you this day phase. 

Let's just get this out of the way. I don't wanna waste my time scum hunting if everyone is fucking deathproof and immune to lynches. Who else besides me is x shot deathproof? If there are multiple deathproof vigilantes here we need to coordinate night kills and shit to get anything done.