ILikePie5

Oro - Lean Town already said why, I’ll C/P later

Explain.

RM - Likely Town based off of role claim plus pushiness 

So, role claim. Got it. 

FT - FoS because he’s all over the place and literally takes a second to switch his scumreads

My role claim is confirmed (via guilty on Earth), but I'm scum? Explain. 

Switching reads isn't scummy. It's actually a town-tell, because scum don't know how to fluidly change reads. They're more focused on appearing consistent (most of the time). 

Chris - Null, still want 6/6 votes on him but stubborn townies don’t want to do it cause it’s supposedly a waste of time to cover our flanks.

You don't have any thoughts on this player's posts? What do you make of the fact that he's pushing my lynch instead of Earth? 

Lunatic - Null, his analysis isn’t indicative of his affiliation. I will say that he has pushed me first in the past to get me out of the way. That being said he hasn’t posted as much cause of work

Again, no thoughts. I can see you're really trying to solve this game. 

Coal - Null, argument with RM doesn’t help cause RM is likely town. RM is at fault for being an idiot about this with his mass claim

Alright, nothing.

Earth - Scum, I don’t like Miller claims in the first place plus the outting is extremely scummy. His aggression is also very concerning

You think I'm partners with Earth? Why would I bus him the way I did? 

WF - Null, he’s hard to read DP1 in general 

What makes him difficult to read? 

Let's see how long it takes Pie to make up some reads. 

Pie, organize it from most town to most scum.

I'm pretty sure I could type out his reads from memory, and they're not what you said.

Pie, post your reads in exactly 2 minutes from this post. I will post mine at the same time, so that way I can trust you didn't base yours on mine.

he's posted reads throughout the course of the game.

List the players.

Put the word "town" or "scum" beside their name, according to what you think is most likely.

FT isn't the only person who would like to see your reads.

Pie, my question was about your reads as a whole, not two specific players. You've yet to answer this, leading me to believe you don't have reads. 

I will answer your question about my reads after you answer mine. Do you even have reads? 

Where's the post with your reads, Pie? 

Have you reads not changed since then?

Are you serious, Pie? That's your response? 

Pie, what're your reads? 

Wrong. If we go into N1 with a lotore in the open we almost definitely will have ly ched correctly already with today's lynch and the PRs can much more accurately aim their powers.

At the moment Mafia has absolutely all information. We have jack shit.

I'm not acting like scum at all but you thinking that a d loathing a mass claim is a towntell on your part as you always loathe that as town.

You, aside from MC, are actually my main townread at this point.

That is idiotic. We should be forcing mass claiming based on scum read order. We need to spot the theme-division and bully the mafia. We have currently got no priority over them. 

Because at oresent the only revealed roles and characters benefit mafia.

Yes I've said that several times after the cop cc and miller claim happened.

Pressure and information would suddenly begin to benefit town, not Mafia. Even if Coal is town, we keep pushing in a massive chain reaction eventually someone's fake claim will be blatantly full of shit in a series with so few major characters (as I said I've researched now).

I also still think post 17 was one of the scummiest things in the game. It's a subtle form of virtue signaling (i.e. emphasizing uninformed perspective about the game) that almost always comes from scum.

Pie, why do you believe Earth that he's a miller but you're voting him? 

We'd have far more information if you'd put pressure on Coal here.

Are you obvious town?

MC is acting more aggressive than usual and is going after obvious town.

I actually agree with FT here, confirming you doesn't really earn you town points, mods frequently make this role mafia sided. Behavior =/= role always. 

literally what am I to do when guilty'd as miller?

I don't think you fully understand what pie's meta's are, nor have you played with him as much as I have. I specifically brought up an example where pie's behavior was very similar to how it is now with drafters game. Check out some of his scum games (heavy hitters is a good one to reference since it was so recent). His play style seems very similar. 

It gains us his role and character, which doesn't gain us anything unless others have claimed and we have a lot of ways to play the night phase out.

At the moment one of the cops is dying and nothing positive will happen if Earth really is miller, which is what I read at the moment.

You have a scum tell that I noticed in drafters game when I was the seer and knew you were scum but couldn't out the info. It's like a cocky air of confidence, that I think is showing in your dismissal of FT entirely, trying to dis-credit the read based on his lack of experience with the site, etc. You play that way as scum, very cocky and arrogant. I feel like I'd notice more frustration or rage if you were town, some cus words maybe "Towns being fvcking stupid right now". I've picked up on this tell from you in a couple other games. 

iLikePie5 (I'd say more for his reaction to FT pressure than post 17 that FT was initially suspicious of. Pie trying to discredit FT or dismiss him as if he doesn't fear the pressure doesn't seem genuine).

Honestly I was debating outing my role or not, but had I known there was a day cop, I would have ousted right away.

He's not a noob, he played with me over a year and a half ago in games with buddamoose for beginners here.

Millers aren't a policy lynch. It's actually a strongly town indicative claim if done early in first post of the game.

What's your behavioral read on Earth, Pie? 

Pie calls it "convenient" that I scumread Earth. This shows a lack of understanding. Nothing about my reads are "convenient." They're based on the evidence provided, which began with strong behavioral evidence and was followed up with an investigative result. 

I am Jellal and I'm Miller.

Response to Pie: what if scum have a role that allows them to negate MC's role?

What if there's a hammerer who hasn't spoken (or isn't allowed to)? There's many possible reasons not to test MC's claim, from a purely theoretical pov.

Being overly cautious (your approach) would recommend against putting likely townies at L-1 just so that we can test something that doesn't help us solve the game in at all, but certainly presents numerous risks.

Post 183. Pie believes I'm fake claiming. Potential evidence of informed perspective about Earth's alignment.

Pie, can you explain the benefit of proving MC's role?

I countercliam fourttrouble, I am a normal night-based cop. 

I'm a day cop with a guilty on Earth. Supa just reported this info to me.

That doesn't tell us anything... he has to force NL with his extra vote, don't you get it?

I don't mind a mass claim just to get it over with. It's super annoying having to deal with this distraction throughout the game.