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@Lunatic
@MisterChris
I’d like claims from y’all as well
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@Bullish
by the way don't be signed in when u view the role list doc, cause I can already see 1 of you's full name
It’s not my real name lol
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So we know there’s scum now between Whiteflame, MisterChris, and Lunatic.
For the Bomb I’m leaning towards Lunatic or WF cause they’re null on my list.
With this set up, I’d probably say there’s only one scum left - 2 people with guns and a Troublemaker.
So right now it’s 5-1. After I give the Bomb it’ll be 4-1 with the last scum between the remaining 2 people left. Even if we mislynch it’ll be 2-1 and POE we win. Easy money.
**Credits to Speed**
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@Bullish
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Now we just wait until the DP ends and I’ll pass the Bomb to Bullish
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@MisterChris
You don't buy Bullish' claim of 50/50 reveal?
Definitely not lol. It’s not connected with any gun role. If it’s not on the list it’s not there
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@oromagi
@MisterChris
Wait nevermind. I misunderstood. I re-read that role on Drafter's thing:You are the RESTLESS SPIRIT. While dead, you may visit another player each night. During the following Day Phase, you will have a vote placed on that player.Oromagi, who do you plan to vote on?
There won’t be a NP2 but if we’re still in the game you should give us a list of most to least scummy
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@Bullish
according to the role list, if there's a lynch but the bomb hasn't been given, the day continues until the original deadline. So you just have to give the bomb at 10:29:59 tomorrow night.
I know lol
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@Bullish
more like pie/luna scum team confirmed.
Then why don’t you shoot one of us? It’s your death sentence anyways
btw the mod told me someone asked him to ping me when I had posted in the DP less than 12 hours ago, when we still had 30+ hours left in the DP. why tf yall so eager to end the DP early, I thought yall were all about utilizing the DP especially given that this game is called "Daylight"
We will be. We aren’t lynching unless it’s literally the last minute
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@MisterChris
So lynch Oro, bomb Bullish?
We can’t lynch today unless there’s simultaneously a lynch while I hand the Bomb over to someone. We can make that happen cause I can hammer and send the Bomb over at the same time
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@Lunatic
Bullish is refusing to comply with towns wishes, lets lynch him.
Bullish and Oro scum team confirmed. I’ll pass the Bomb to Bullish before the DP ends. Lynching him would force the whole ping pong debacle
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@Bullish
If you shoot someone other than Oro, we know you’re scum and Oro is likely scum. So hurry up and let’s get it over with
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@Lunatic
Here's another thought I just had; If warren is the confirmed sherrif and theres a second gunman, bullish could be the sniper. Another reason to have bullish shoot oro. If his name isn't revealed, then we know bullish is scum!
We can lynch him or I can just hand him the Bomb right before the DP ends which will kill him.
If Bullish refuses to shoot Oro and shoots someone else then he’s scum and Oro is likely his scum partner.
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I just realized theoretically we could eliminate both scum and TP today
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Oro is lurking so hard. I’m like 90% sure he’s scum. I’m willing to have Bullish shoot him rn just to save us some time.
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@whiteflame
I'm OK with this plan, though not super excited about the potential prospect of 2-2-1 at the end of this DP when we have 2 DPs available to us.
We’d still have a DP tomorrow cause Mafia need to be 50% of members alive. Plus the Bomb and gun shot will be Town sanctioned.
That being said, maybe I'm misunderstanding, but why is 5-2 not possible right now? Why would a scum Anarchist reveal themselves? Is there a benefit to revealing if they're scum that I'm unaware of?
I’m assuming that it’s either a Town role or a TP role. I guess theoretically it could be a scum role but I don’t see the mafia utility of it - if someone has some thoughts on this I’d definitely like to here it.
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@Lunatic
You wanna ping pong or go with the plan in post 58?
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@Lunatic
@whiteflame
@MisterChris
Ok so instead of the Hot Potato game here’s what we can do. Right now I’m guessing 4-2-1 or 5-1-1 (can’t be 5-2 cause Anarchist hasn’t revealed themselves yet.)
What we can do is have Bullish shoot someone, this confirming himself. Worst case scenario he hits a townie among WF, Oro, Chris, and Lunatic, which brings it to 3-2-1 or 4-1-1. With my bomb I can pass it last minute to whoever is left among the three making it 2-2-1 or 3-1-1 (y’all can help me decide). Then because there will be no night actions (no bomb I’m guessing) we can choose our final lynch target with reevaluations.
Thoughts?
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I’m asking Draftee if I could cancel that passage of the Bomb. I may have a course of action.
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If Bullish is to be believed then there are two people with guns practically confirming each other: Warren and Bullish. I’m town.
That leaves Oro, WF, Chris, and Lunatic
75% chance of catching scum assuming 2 scum and 1 TP
50% chance of catching scum assuming 1 scum and 1 TP
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@Bullish
Assuming 2 mafia,Probablity of hitting both scum in the 4 kills: 12/42 (29%)Probablity of hitting 1 scum in the 4 kills: 24/42 (57%)Probablity of hitting no scum in the 4 kills: 6/42 (14%)So there's a 57% chance we win outright, and a 29% chance we then have a 50/50 shot at winning. I like those odds.
I hate stats. Can u explain your math and where the numbers come from?
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@warren42
Just to confirm, you’re the sheriff right ?
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@Lunatic
I still think that role would be town. Kind of busted if mafia have a night kill and a day kill, especially in light of a bomb giver and a troublemaker which gives double lynches. I think a lot of these roles were designed to give town killing options. I don't even think it's third party in light of your bomb revelation. I don't think warren is scum
All good, the second is option is after all between Warren and Bullish. We can just move on Bullish.
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@Lunatic
Inb4 "role confirmation =/= affiliation confirmation" I think it does, for a drafter game at least. In your game pie, he was willing to lynch greyparrot because "Gramps is a scum role". I know he was actually claiming electrician and drafter either didn't read or was trolling, but you get a peek into his head on that one, enough to see he thinks roles should have a specific affiliation, at least in regards to his list.Thoughts?
I’d agree with you but Warren just said he had a mechanic that he would be killed if he didn’t use the gun based on a percentage, which doesn’t fit with any role. Plus the fact that Warren mentioned that other people could have guns as well was alluded to in his PM. I’ll ask him tomorrow how stuff would function
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Oro - Lean Scum: His lurking and laying low fits his scum meta since DDO days
Lunatic - Null: His interactions with me seem townie but it’s what scum Lunatic would do; he’s just hard to read behaviorally imo
Whiteflame - Null: Still can’t read him, hopefully it gets easier as the DP goes on and I can read past interactions.
Warren - FOS: Warren shooting Supa came off as extremely rash to me, which is unlike Warren. Normally he’s calculative in his assessment but time he didn’t read that Supa could be role-confirmed tomorrow. At the same time, a scum member with a gun? Would Drafter really do that?
Pie - 131691% Town
MisterChris - Lean Town: Just getting a gut townread from him from the whole interaction with Supa
Bullish - FOS: These past few games he’s been town and has largely lost his interrogative ways/activeness in general but what really gets me is the joking. He doesn’t understand MisterChris (tbh I was confused as well) but at the same time is casually joking about Russian Roulette. Judging by previous behavior he reads town but the whole joking fiasco is forcing me into the FOS.
I’d say Oro definitely and then Warren/Bullish in the ping pong match - the latter choice should be decided by town. Oro should claim immediately. Warren and Bullish up for debate
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I think Drafter went to sleep but I told him I want to pass the Bomb to Oro.
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@Lunatic
We also can’t forget that there won’t be a Night Kill today...bless Speed’s soul for that.
We technically can execute a lynch today as well. Do the ping pong among the two most scummy people and then whoever is left we could lynch them as well in that order.
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@Lunatic
I am trying to think of ways we could use it to potentially confirm a scum. The best thing I can think of is to have you pass it to whoever you suspect most. We unanimously decide to defer the lynch and instead use the bomb for the day's lynch. Whoever has the bomb has to publicly state who they are passing it to. If someone lies about who they passed it to, we know we can lynch them next day phase. If the bomb goes off we essentially get a random lynch. Might even end up on scum. If the phase doesn't end, we can count that as our lynch and VTNL or if someone lied just vote them. Thoughts?
That’s probably our best bet tbh. I was thinking he could play a game of ping pong between our top 2 scum reads, so they pass the Bomb between each other until the counter runs out.
I am open to better plans for this as well. I am sure we are missing a way to use this to our benefit.Also it should be stated if we were to go with my plan, that anyone who passes it to pie for any reason, is instantly scummy. In fact if we do this plan, we probably out to force all the remaining claims out.Thoughts?
I think we can delay the role claims from everyone besides our top 2 scum reads till next DP. If we don’t lynch the Anarchist today then someone will have the bomb again tomorrow.
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@Lunatic
Uh, do you have an important role? If not I would just hold on to it. If you do, and we can't decide who pass it to by the end of the day, you can give it to me. I am not a huge loss to town role wise, just mislynch wise.
I think I have a decently useful role, at least in my view. I’d prefer if I could pass it on but I’m willing to defer to everyone’s judgement
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@whiteflame
That's interesting. Guessing that means that we don't know when it will count down, which means that it may make sense to hand it off to town next and then a potential scum, rather than just giving it to a potential scum now.
Ya that’s what I was thinking. Thought I’d ask everyone for their input as well
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I have an important announcement to make:
Someone is the Anarchist in this game because they gave a Bomb to me in the night that I must pass on to during the day or else I die - the caveat is there is a counter and when it hits zero the person receiving the Bomb dies.
Drafter will publically announce who I’m giving the Bomb to, but I thought we as a town collectively should decide.
On a side note, Anarchist could be a TP role per the role list so...
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@oromagi
agree. Let Supa be our mislynch.
Do you have anything else to contribute? You’ve been AWOL most of the day and seem to be buddying me hard
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I for sure won’t be on at 8 AM tomorrow morning so if we’re going to lynch might as well tonight or just VTNL. Pros to the latter would be we can just get 2 lynches tomorrow with POE from the NK; problem is Supa’s role isn’t necessarily affiliation indicative so behavioral reads would dominate at least for me.
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@Speedrace
If drafter announce it, it would confirm that Supa isn't lying about his role
I think he means that it’s not affiliation indicative
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@whiteflame
The role was called "Agitator," but yes, it functioned the same as Troublemaker (not that I got to use it). That's part of the reason I'm suspicious. The role just allows for an extra lynch one time during a DP. That leads to two problems.
I stand corrected. Supa is hella sus for talking about his role mechanics even though he knows nothing about them.
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So with the Troublemaker fiasco. Pretty sure WF had that role in Bullish’s game as town. Could still be a scum role tho.
I really don’t like Supa right now because him being rash about the mechanics of his role is something scum Supa would do especially when he’s panicking, which seems like the case now
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@Vader
He said I was a Troublemaker. He said there would be two vote counts. He didn't say public or private
Then why’d you say connotation. And have you asked him about your role mechanics rather than assume them?
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