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@Vader
@Speedrace
@skittlez09
@Intelligence_06
Get on mofos
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@MisterChris
ok then. UNVOTE. VTL PIE.
You’re not going to have to enough.
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@BearMan
Yes isn't the correct answer. Lurking or inactive?
Lurking?
If oro was mafia, he would've have to had a claim from the very start to form those clues. I have a reason to believe oro is not scum.
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@warren42
A motivator might even be able to give mafia an extra night kill. Don't think this should've skated by with so little pushback.
I’ll ask Bullish. I assumed that abilities =/= NK
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@BearMan
Does ghosting mean lurking or inactive?
Yes.
Do you have anything to say about Oro’s claim?
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@oromagi
I am an inactive COP.
So how does this relate to a TP or scum recruitment function?
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@Lunatic
@Vader
@Speedrace
@skittlez09
@BearMan
Y’all gonna pressure Oro? Dudes been ghosting all day now
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@warren42
I'll wait to see Pie's role claim before catching up.
Post 579 is full claim. Post 628 is where I prove I soft claimed DP1
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@oromagi
@Speedrace
@BearMan
Post 623 and 627. Read those back to back and tell me what y’all think.
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@Lunatic
Your claim is conveniently made so that we don't lynch you this day phase. If there is a recruiter, and I was him, I would be doing the same thing. It's not a motivator I don't buy, just that you are motivator that is for dp2 and 4, which is extremely convenient if you wanted to live one more day to get another recruit off. If you were a 1 or 2x motivator it would be easier to buy.That said I will give due dilligence and look into warren and oro here before I decide. First things first, we need remaining claims.
Maybe my soft claim will dispel any this. Check my post about the Dallas Stars. Key/odd word out being motivation. It doesn’t make sense in the sentence itself.
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@BearMan
Because there are PROBABLY other power roles. And mafia will target those who are.
Speed said he doesn’t have any abilities. You and Oro are the only ones left
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@Lunatic
I still don’t know why you’re sussing me. I literally told you my role is confirmable tomorrow and if it doesn’t work out then lynch me.
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@Lunatic
visiting the same person who was night killed =/= carrying out the night kill.Superb logic there mate.
Sure
Tracker/watcher. Soft investigative (dreamer)/ Hard investigative (cop) . Suicidal/ doctor.Our roles were designed as a perfect puzzle piece.
Yup Danielle has had a rolecop
Are you suggesting I shouldn't have claimed after someone else claimed JOAT?
You said you didn’t have to and the only reason you did is so we don’t sus later
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@Bullish
@BearMan
Either way I need BearMan to respond to my question so
Unvote
VTL Bearman
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@Speedrace
What do you mean
It’s gonna be his response. I didn’t have to say this but I did anyways cause it was beneficial to town.
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@Speedrace
It's not like he claimed those after he got watched/tracked to her
Just like how he didn’t have to claim JOAT right?
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@Lunatic
@oromagi
@Speedrace
@MisterChris
My abilities are tracker (used on danielle np1, she visited supadudz) cop and doctor.
You’re admitting you visited the NK?
And how do these roles “parallel” Supa’s
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@Lunatic
Where did oro claim? How does pie know hes a visiting role? Did I miss his claim?
His role is related to a recruiting thing. I’m assuming he has a role to reverse those effects.
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So here’s what we do. VTNL today
Tomorrow I’ll get confirmed cause I’ll visit one of the people who have an active ability. If they claim it never happened then y’all can lynch me. When I flip town, lynch the person who lied. I’ll be happy with a 1 for 1 trade
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@Lunatic
How do we know he visited a power role that can confirm him?
They can’t lie about it?
These people have active abilities: Oro, Supa, you, Intel, Skitlez
These people are vanilla: Warren, MisterChris
These people are unknown: Bear, Speed
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@Lunatic
@Vader
@oromagi
@Speedrace
@BearMan
I’ll role claim now. I’m the Even-Day Motivator. Photolithography according to Bullish is the most advanced technology ever. He talks about how it is used to make processors using billions of transistors. These transistors according to Moore’s Law double in a given area every two years.
For that reason I’m the Even-Day Motivator. I have to choose a person during the day and that night the person can use their ability twice.
I asked earlier in the DP whether my action could be roleblocked and whether if mine is successful both actions of the target get roleblocked. He replied yes to both question. He however just clarified that I in fact cannot be roleblocked
Hot potatoes is with you Lunatic.
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@BearMan
Stop saying "Nice 180". I proved it before, and more reasons were added such as you being in Supa's dream. And you downright refusing to claim.
Where tf was this?
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@Lunatic
Oh you are back good. Ready to claim so we can move forward with the day phase?
Read my post. If you want me to claim then you’re gonna have to claim at the same time as me. Set up a time to do so.
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@Lunatic
@Vader
@oromagi
@Speedrace
@BearMan
Okay so Bullish just told me that I can’t be roleblocked and my action will go through even if I get lynched this day phase. In an essence, I’ll get confirmed no matter what happens.
So now it’s just a matter of surviving for me and I’ll be confirmed town.
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@BearMan
I have a reasonable belief that Pie is mafia.
Nice 180. What are your reasons?
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@Lunatic
If you want my claim you know how to get it. Pressure pie with me. put the bastard at l-1, then if he claims you get mine as well. Your list says he is higher on the scum list so why not?
I’m not revealing my role period. My role is confirmable tomorrow. How about we put you at L-1 so you claim.
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@Lunatic
I could if I felt like digging through a million games, but I don't need to prove myself to scum. If you want to disprove me, click through every end game in the archives of DDO to prove it how about that? It's your guy's claim that two JOAT's cannot exist in the same game, your BOP.
Burden of proof is on you to prove a positive: That Two Town JOATs exist. Otherwise they don’t exist.
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@Vader
I said the reason was because I was not confident in the results I was given because I knew my results could be manipulated and fmpov, you had behavior that suggested weak PR.
A.) How tf does your role getting manipulated impact anything. Any cop could manipulated but if you get something you still reveal it.
B.) Youre contradicting yourself again. You said I was active and therefore either scum or PR. Where tf did weak PR come from. You’re literally pulling that out of your ass
As the day progressed, you acted more scummy and scummy by refusing to claim (when you are being voted), not listening to the points given by Lunatic, and getting more and more defensive.
Most votes ive had on me is like 4 and that was after you revealed your results so you’re just flat out wrong. Lunatic wasn’t making any points. He was pulling stuff out of his ass too. He called me out for not considering Intel and Skitlez as both town when I literally did before.
Oromagi is usually always is a scum for the reason of tunneling and over theorizing in this game. I felt then it was the right time to out my results because I was becoming more confident in you being scum.
But both me and Oro can’t be scum right? So wtf are you even saying?
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@Lunatic
Lol okay scum. Let the record show I have been voting you since the beginning of the phase whenever you eventually get revealed.
Sure. You’ll look like a complete idiot cause I’m not scum.
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@Lunatic
There has been games with multiple JOAT's before, and it actually makes perfect sense that the power roles were divided between two individuals and the rest of the role mad players are weak versions of some other role or anti town utility. Danielles flip, and skittlez claim demonstrate this
Prove it.
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@Lunatic
Pie thinking he has a chance to not be lynched, is taking advantage of that quickly forming wagon as well and bandwagoning it.
See this is just wrong. I was the first person to vote Intel to get him to say something.
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@Vader
So what exactly are you claiming
My character - Photolithography
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@Vader
You are not listening to why the hell I waited off the list and keep suggesting this. I told you like 5x and you refuse to rebut these points
No you haven’t. Wtf does “I had no information at that time mean?” You weren’t even pressuring me or Oro for a character claim based on your results. You just sat on it until it became opportunistic for you. That’s the scummiest shit I’ve ever seen.
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@Lunatic
Why can't there be two JOAT's in this game? Why are you saying that is impossible? JOAT isn't a direct counter claim like cop watch or doc, because it usually encompasses multiple abilities. I think town's power roles were split up between me and supa. Notice danielle's wasn't really a power role. The remaining roles are probably weak version of themselves.
Where tf have you seen two JOATs where one isn’t scum and one is. It’s unprecedented and frankly a stupid move by Bullish.
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@Lunatic
Help me pressure pie and your wish will be granted on two counts. My claim comes after pie period. If pie doesn't claim I don't either.
Then you can continue to live in your fantasy world as much as you need to - 2 Town JOATs with “parallel” roles, whatever the fuck that means
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Here’s where we are.
1) Intel can be a recruiter of some sort. Lynching him and an inno flip confirms Skitlez as town and we can utilize his ability.
2) Supa and Lunatic both claim Town JOAT. Sups hides his results for more than a day and doesn’t justify it one bit, flip flopping all over the place and not answering my questions. Lunatic immediately says I believe Supa and claims JOAT as well saying his role “parallels” Supa’s role. He defends Supa’s revelations later in the game as well.
3) I am either a power role or scum because of my activity. I have a confirmable role as long as I’m not roleblocked. If I am roleblocked, it’s essentially confirmed that that Intel or Skitlez are scum.
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@Lunatic
Nope. Claim first.
I have no reason to. My role is confirmable tomorrow. Yours is a magical fantasy that you refuse to out even when there isn’t a historical precedent of having two Town JOATs.
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@Lunatic
Still no claim from pie. Guess he gets to drag this out.
Two town JOATs make no sense. You still haven’t said what “opposite” means.
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@oromagi
I've changed my mind about this. I think it is 2 scum + TP intel who has now recruited skittlez
I think I said this earlier in the DP. Or I’m just getting deja vu
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@oromagi
TOWN needs your character claims now.
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@Vader
I don't think warren is town based on game mechanics. He's obviously the default if the results do not add up. I scumread Speed's behavior in general
So Warren is also in your scum pile? You literally just said he was town
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@Vader
I think this is for balance, and it makes sense there is two considering my roles and how Lunatic said their opposite. I have to believe Luna based on game mechanic.
You don’t even know what opposite means. Let me put it this way, give us a definition of an opposite ability Lunatic would have.
Game mechanics have precedents for multiple vanillas. Never for multiple JOATs unless they’re opposite affiliations.
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@MisterChris
You heard the man.
I’ll character claim only. Having two JOATs with one of them having investigative results is scummy af. My role is confirmable tomorrow anyways.
Anyways my character claim is Photolithography
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@Speedrace
They're not guaranteed if Supa is scum. And this is perfect for scum because by the time we finish lynching all three, scum would have won
+1
It reminds me of that Sensor claim by Press I think.
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