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@Lunatic
You didn't say anything until speed said his read. Seems oppertunistic. you were also on that dreamer list if I recall... HMMM
Nice OMGUS
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@MisterChris
Why are we even discussing mass claim? We've literally been given a list of 3 people who are potential scum with 1 GUARANTEED to be scum, and we're not pressuring/voting those people? WTF?
Why are we not pressuring two JOATs who claim they’re both town. It’s practically unprecedented. Supa releases his results over a day into the game. That’s just scummy af. Lunatic seems to defend him over it. Only way I see Supa and Lunatic as scum is if they’re bussing.
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@oromagi
i think scum is recruiting and is probably at 3. Mislynch today + NK tonight + successful recruit is endgame.
I disagree with this. I don’t think Bullish would put 4 scum in an 11 player game. MYLO/LYLO after one DP just doesn’t make sense imo
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@oromagi
Why can't Intel and Skittlez roleblock you?
If they did it’d be a scum move. Think about it. We told Skitlez to not target anyone if he’s town right? If Intel is town he shouldn’t target anyone either. If I do get roleblocked then one of them is lying to you. I’ll end up dying but I’ll take one of em with me.
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@oromagi
I don't know about absolution but there's nothing to indicate that that1 was recruiting DP0. If so, she probably would not have been replaced mid-DP1.
I realize that, but how does that make him less scummy was my question to you.
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I’m at a party rn, but I’ll respond to everything late tonight
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@Vader
But now you're active which is contradictory to your play. You are
You’re justifying your not telling us about results early on cause you thought that I was town at the beginning? Do you realize how dumb you sound? You’re literally admitting to outting that info just to make me look bad.
Lynching claimed town as a policy?
He was not confirmed town. That’s your opinion. How does that justify your read on me? And to answer your question - yes. I’m willing to policy negative utility.
First skittlez, then warren, then more warren, then now Intel. You are hopping on the common wagon by bandwagoning on logic. I'm not contradicting. Your behavior this DP has evolved
I was clear Skitlez and Warren were my two policies and was fine with lynching either of them. Then I was on Warren since the beginning? I literally voted Intel to get him to talk. That’s literally the anti-thesis of bandwagoning if I’m the one that started the idea lol
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@Vader
Behavioral information. You were somewhat active DP1 so that made me think that you were town with an useless.
This is literally contradictory to what you’ve said:
“You were active and contributing enough to where you could be a PR.”
Which is it? I was a useless town cause I wasn’t really active or I was active and therefore am a power role or scum.
You started to become active and force lynches based on a policy that doesn't exist.
Which policies? Warren? That was inactivity. Skitlez? Cause we needed more information. I’ve been consistent about lynching DP1 for as long as I can remember.
Then when it was revealed there were vanillas. You started talking more. You started fighting with Lunatic about the behavior. You seemed quick to jump on lynch + increase activity. I see no reason to keep you alive
Which lynch was I “quick to jump on?” I was already on Warren long before he claimed and I was on Intel before he claimed.
I’m convinced Supa is scum just based on the fact that he’s being contradictory and outright lying about my actions.
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@Lunatic
I'm not going to go into details and give away what abilities I have. But with the abilities he has hos role fits as a perfect puzzle. I doubt there are any other investigative power roles. I am half expecting you to claim one tbh because I'm pretty sure mafoa were given cop as a fake claim lol
I’m what realm does a JOAT’s abilities complement another JOAT’s abilities?
It doesn't matter because your scum and caught just trying to live an extra day phase. You are on a result. You need to full claim.
I’m going to die anyways if I’m wrong. That scenario literally ensures my death if I’m wrong. What does trying to live an extra day have to do with this. I’m not going to claim cause I can get confirmed and I’d rather mafia play a game of chess of what to do. I know I’m town. Mafia can either kill me or RB me. If they do the former the whole thing is moot. If they do the later they’re caught.
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@Lunatic
No, opposites.
So complements. How do you complement an Oracle and a Watcher?
I mean prior to supa outting you were operating under the believe he or skittlez was scum, so if you that is true then why wouldn't they roleblock one of the three of us?
I don’t know what you’re trying to say here. If they do try to roleblock me then we can catch them.
Assume we no lynch here. DP3 it’s 6-3. If I’m roleblocked then we can go for Intel. If he’s town then Skitlez is also town and in that scenario you lynch me cause I’m lying and 3 RBs existing is very minimal
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@Vader
Opinions are meant to change based on how the game is going. I said I can't see you as scum, I didn't town read you. As the DP progressed you became scummyI have given my reasoning why I held out. You didn't respond
You’re ignoring my response lol. What information did you not have? Why did you think town shouldn’t know about your investigative results as early as possible?
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Conveniently becomes quiet. I’ll rehash my thoughts
If Oro thinks his theory is correct then Intelligence is scum. If he’s the scum recruiter then Skitlez is town. Supa comes out and defends Intel by leaving out certain context. Supa also has Oro on his list
Supa comes out first saying I’m town. He hides his results for more than a day. Then he gives his report claiming JOAT with another JOAT claimed by Lunatic. Only reason Speed had some ground is cause the two people with the same action didn’t have the same role. This is pretty much unprecedented.
Supa also went on some random gibberish about how it was optimal to kill me in the NK or soemthing. He dodged that entire line of questioning if y’all want to go back and read that.
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@Lunatic
What I said...
In what way are they parallel? It makes no sense. Are you saying you have some of the same utilities as he does?
How can you say you are confirmable tomorrow beyond a shadow of a doubt? Doesn't just saying that make you a roleblock or night kill target? If you know you can prove yourself, it's likely you are scum and know your action won't be interfered with.
Who’s going to Roleblock me? Intel can’t and neither can Skitlez. Unless you’re saying there’s also a scum RB making there be 3 total RBs in the game. I’ll do the math in a second and optimize the course of action that helps us.
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@Lunatic
His role parallels my abilities, so it makes a lot of sense actually.
What does that even mean?
You and warren have already been the subject of todays lynch interests, if I thought one or the other of you were likely to be lynched, I wouldn't out the result either.
Supa’s first post was #22 where he specifically said he doesn’t see me as scum. Why did he say that if he knew I was on his results? The whole argument over vanillas hadn’t even happened yet.
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Lack of confidence and information in general.
What confidence were you lacking? What information were you lacking?
Looking at your behavior in general in this game and from what I believe, I think you are now scum. Looking at the points, it's been using hypotheticals, trying to hop on certain lynches, and uncertainty, along with this policy idea which you do say, but then you drop mid games.
What hypotheticals are you talking about? The one where I talked about optimal strategy? I’ve only been on two people this entire DP and that was Warren from the beginning and then Intel before he even claimed. Policy lynches change with more information. Information you decided to hide from us?
It seems you are focused on a policy and just looking for quick lynches
What quick lynches are you talking about? I was on Warren from the beginning and was Intel to ask him to talk.
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@Lunatic
Yes.
Well that’s pretty dumb
Do you think supa is scum and lying or is it me? If neither then you should be making a case on oro or warren right about now, as the dreamer results implicate you.
Yes I think Supa is scum. What is his motive for sitting on his result for more than a day?
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What was Supa’s motive in sitting on his results for over a day into the DP?
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@Vader
With that in mind, I am willing to vote off Pie as well. VTL Pie
So you’ve been sitting on this for the entire DP? Why?
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Are we just going to ignore that there are 2 JOATs? This is Speed’s game all over again.
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@oromagi
I believe supas claim and if Lunatic's theory of 1 scum NP0 is correct than Pie must be scum because Warren/that1 was not likely doing anything NP0.
Why would Warren not doing anything absolve him?
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@Lunatic
Supa is like town confirmed to me based on his claim. And if we are going off the dreamer results, I think we should lynch pie or warren because oro seems pretty pro town.Pie needs to claim immediately.
I soft claimed DP1 and my role is confirmable tomorrow. I’m not going to out my role today.
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@Lunatic
Too late for that, you needed to acknowledge that before you decided to exclude it from the option that makes it look like you are vying for 2 mislynches.
Maybe you need to reread my posts again.
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@Lunatic
But if pie was bussing, it's likely he wasn't expecting him to get to L-1 as fast as that.
Huh? If I was bussing him why would it matter how fast the occurred?
It would make more sense for him to still be slightly suspicious of the two of you, even if bullishes answer lightened the read.
I never said they were town in my eyes. You’re FOSing me for adjusting my view after Bullish’s response and the link to Meme’s Mafia where he has more than one vanilla?
Let me ask you this. At this moment are both me and Warren scum, am I the only scum, or is Warren the only scum?
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@Lunatic
I mean I am the one who pointed it out.
Do you need me to say unequivocally that it’s possible both are town?
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@BearMan
Leaving a recruiter makes the entire game onesided.
Not really if it’s a 1x or 2x ability
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@oromagi
I am thinking 32 in DP1 + 1 in NP
Also possible for him to be the sole scum DP1 and be able to recruit 2 people in total. He could also be a TP recruiter - haven’t seen em since DDO days but possible with Bullish
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@BearMan
3 mafia+Skitz+Intel
Intel would be mafia lol. So at worse it’s 4.
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@BearMan
Skitz got recruited? So there are 5 scum now? That doesn't make any sense, it would be completely scum-sided for that.
Where are you getting 5 from?
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@MisterChris
That's true. Do you think it's worth an Intelligence lynch just to confirm/expose the both of them?
I would be supportive of this course of action. Even if Intel is town, his utility would be practically meaningless. If Skitlez is confirmed then we can start using him on people we scumread
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If Intelligence is telling the truth then Skitlez will be confirmed town
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@MisterChris
This isn't to say you're a particularly STRONG scumread. You're just the best I got.
So it’s a 50/50 shot that you’d take a power role out and you’d be fine with that?
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@MisterChris
I'm really leaning towards Pie.
Are you just relying this based on my activity?
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@Lunatic
Interesting that you chose not to highlight the hypothetical where they are both town then.
Is it not obvious to you?
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@Lunatic
An easy way to get two mislynches, if you don't account for them both being town.
That’s why I used a hypothetical rather than an imperative
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@oromagi
If Intel is telling the truth, then he converted RB to VANILLA and said nothing about it and skittlez also said nothing about it.
If we want to move on this, Optimal play is lynching Skitlez. If he’s scum then Intel has to be scum cause he’s lying about his role. If he’s still RB and town then Intelligence has to be lying. If we lynch Intel and he’s scum it doesn’t confirm Skitlez
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@Lunatic
His last game wasn't a standard mafia game. Also bullish confirming that vanillas could potentially exist doesn't refute your initial FOS that multiple vanillas in a rolemad game should receive the most FOS.
Ya his previous game was Poker. I’m talking about the one before that Memes Mafia (the one Chris linked). Based on that it’s more likely than not there are vanillas in the game.
You seemed to drop them to a null a little too easily from that.
Based on Bullish and his past rolemad game
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@Intelligence_06
When you mimic a role, does it convert the person you the role from into a vanilla?
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@Lunatic
So it's post justification for town reading him, also combined with pie dropping him to a null. I can see a case where they are scum buddies and that bus attempt was supposed to distance them, but with how fast they dropped their reads on each other, it seems contrived.
Why wouldn’t I drop to null? Bullish confirmed it’s possible to have multiple vanillas. In his last game he had multiple vanillas. If you want to sus Warren for his flip flop that’s fine with me. I adjusted my viewpoint based on Bullish.
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@Vader
I said that you are either PR or Scum.
I got that part
By suggesting my post, I think the person who's scum is not a believer in behavioral analysis to determine a NK
Why?
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@MisterChris
Pie is my biggest scumread at the moment, because he is lining up pretty closely with how he was in the Naruto mafia game.
So you’re basing your scumread off of my activity?
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@Vader
I'm not implying you are scum. I never said that. I was taking notes on something. That wasn't a scumread on you,
What are the notes? You still haven’t explained them lol. What are you considering in terms of my behavior?
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@Vader
Not necessarily. I wouldn't know if I would or not because I am not scum, so I wasn't thinking about that
So what was the purpose of that shpeel?
You were active and contributing enough to where you could be a PR. You could also be somewhat lurking. I said in that post, I need more analysis on your behavior to determine that
For the last 3 hours but ok?
I'm not playing this game of what if's because I think it's stupid. I'm not implying anything by saying that.
So what’s the purpose of you saying what you said. How does it make me scum?
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@Vader
Behavioral analysis for Pie for me if he's active he's a power role or scum for me. So he's one of those two. I'm willing to lynch Pie off that alone, but I need some insight. I'm still catching up in game
Ok?
I've also maintained this motion for a while. If you look in a lot of games where I'm scum and Pie was a PR, he'd die first DP because of his behavior. It happened in live mafia as well when I was partners with warren. The same thing when vice verse I say the same thing.
So what’re u trying to say? If you were scum you’d have killed me first? Based on my behavior for majority of DP1 you’d have to guess I’m not a PR. If you killings PRs is correct then you would’ve killed Danielle because she soft claimed a power role per your own admission. I haven’t been lynched DP1 for as long as I can remember which is why I’m assuming you’re talking about NKs.
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@Lunatic
Vanilla is my favorite role as town. I can play as aggressively as I want and scum hunt without worry of being seen as a power role; If killed over a power role I know I have 100% helped the town. If mislynched, not a huge loss either. It's a lot less pressure, and ultimately, results shouldn't be relied on to solve games. Mods on this site have strayed away from investigation detering roles, so maybe you have gotten a bit comfortable relying on power roles. But back on DDO mods tended to use a bit more result effecting roles like lawyer or framer, or gave cops flavors more often. People relying on results like that would just lose games. If you can't play a game without a power role, that's kind of boring. Nothing is more satisfying than lynching scum for a behavioral read.
To each their own.
So no scum read on chris or warren anymore?
They’re both null
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If Intelligence is town then Skitlez must be town
If Skitlez is scum then Intelligence must be scum
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@Lunatic
Your dis-like of vanillas is strange, but how does bullish'es response effect your read on warren and chris?
Why is it strange? It’s boring. I’ve been pretty vocal about that. There’s a reason why my games are proper role madness games.
It makes it more likely that at least one of em is town.
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@Bullish
@Intelligence_06
Unvote
VTL Intelligence
Say something
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@oromagi
Why do you suppose Pie lied about never seeing VANILLA in a rolemad game when we see that all time and know Pie has seen that all the time?
Which games are you talking about? All of my games don’t have any vanillas. Speed’s games don’t have vanillas. Every other game never says it’s rolemadness lol.
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@Lunatic
Also pie has been pretty aggressive in this game, as was the case in day phase 1 of Naruto mafia.
If by aggressive you mean active, I’m always active when I have a role. You can WIFOM that all day.
Pie struck me as scum looking for any mislynch oppertunity and tunneling it there. The bragadocious thing in the beginning also didn't feel like a humble townie trying to solve the game. Pie's push of misterchris bussing warren is ultimately what is making me suspect pie, combined with danielles death convienently last phase too after their discussion.
Bullish’s definition of rolemadness is stupid. Speed doesn’t have vanillas in his rolemadness games and neither do I. I’ve been a supporter of first day lynches since the beginning. I supported the lynches of Chris and Warren cause they both were vanilla. Using mine and Speed’s definition they’re both scum which is where the bussing theory comes in. The definition Bullish uses is garbage. I know not to play in any of his games now even if he says rolemadness
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