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@TheUnderdog
We occupied Syria and Iraq. We'd invade Panama, albeit peacefully ideally. We invaded Texas and that did wonders to their economy.
The US annexed Texas per their request lol
Source: I’m a Texan
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@Stephen
Jeffrey Lord was an Election Night Pundit on CNN during the 2016 Elections lol. He was the guy who was talking to Van Jones who called Trump’s election a whitelash
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@Death23
You said "decentralization". I don't see how the existence or non-existence of the senate has any impact on decentralization.
I already said how some power is shifted from the federal govt to the states under the Connecticut Compromise.
A citizen in North Dakota has roughly the same voting power in the house as a citizen in California. Also, California's house delegation should have more impact because there is a greater number of citizens in California. I don't really have any sense of fidelity or loyalty to any state, and I don't think most people do either. They're mostly lines on maps and a lot of red tape when you move to a different one.
No he doesn’t. North Dakota has one representative total in the House representing his state’s view. California has 53 representatives in the House representing views. The 53 House delegation forms up about a quarter of the votes necesssry to pass legislation in the House while ND has less than 0.05%. Our nation is a constitutional republic. Your elected representatives represent you in Congress, but as we know states have partisan leans meaning your House delegation in hyper partisan left states will have more voting power in the House compared to North Dakota.
What you are advocating for is a form of government that violates the interests of smaller states that disagree with you politically. That’s exactly what the Founding Fathers wanted to solve - the small states having checks on larger states and vice versa. It’s genius. By living in California you choose to have a state delegation of disproportionate impact in the House while not so much in the Senate. It’s vice versa for North Dakota. But take Pennsylvania tho - evenly divided House and Senate, and PA is a swing state.
One person one vote is exactly what the Founders wanted to avoid - tyranny of the majority. If it were in place, Jim Crow, hell even slavery wouldn’t have been repealed because they were both favored by the majority of the people even though it was immoral.
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@Stephen
Everyone laughed at Jeffrey Lord when he said DJT has a real shot at winning his home state of Pennsylvania
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@Death23
Not really. Decentralization was accomplished by sharing powers between the states and the federal government.
And the Senate was part of it. At that time the State Legislatures selected the Senators so that it was in the best interests of the States - at least until the passage of the 17th Amendment.
It is not true that citizens in larger states have more voting power in the house. Citizens have roughly equal voting power in the house because representation is based on population.
Not really. Larger states have more representatives than smaller states which means they have more influence. California’s House delegation has more impact in the House than North Dakota’s House delegation.
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@Death23
There wasn't anything inherently good about it. Citizens in smaller states should have equal voting power as citizens in larger states. One man, one vote. That is fair.
It completes the decentralization of the federal government- a core aspect of the concept of federalism. Citizens in smaller states have more voting power in the Senate while those larger states have more in the House. Just the way it was intended to work. One man one vote prospect didn’t hold up historically.
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@Death23
More generally I view the senate as frustrating the will of the people
Why? The Connecticut Compromise was designed so smaller states can have power too. It was essential to the foundation of the nation. Otherwise, we’ve seen how majority rule has played out in history
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@Dr.Franklin
complete ban except womens life/serious health risk
Amen
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Nah screw Panama. I personally think we should’ve annexed Mexico back in the 1850s. Would’ve saved us a lot of problems
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@Barney
Lmao we don’t really care. He’s entitled to his own opinion if he’s serious lmaoo
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@n8nrgmi
what are the rules of the trump supporter circle jerk that we have in this forum?
No submissive males like you are allowed 😜
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@Intelligence_06
Not this time though.Then again, Biden is better than Trump.
For China ya
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@thett3
And before any Dems start complaining about how the small states make it impossible for democrats to win the senate (having never heard of Vermont, Delaware, Maine, New Mexico, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, or Hawaii)...there was a democratic senate majority for years and there will be one again, most likely as soon as January 2021. All arguments to the contrary are just excuses to rig the system to ensure that instead of having a fair playing field that Dems cannot lose again, by adding deep blue “states” such as DC and packing the court every time they suffer the consequences of losing an election.
People don’t seem to like the Connecticut Compromise anymore because it doesn’t fit the narrative. The Senate is effectively a check to the House and vice versa
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@Death23
Instant runoff voting is the solution.
You mean ranked choice? That basically kills TPs lol
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Vanilla is just boring dude. Like I get the reason why they’re there, but I feel useless until the DP3ish
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@dustryder
Chris admirably showed that university faculty are overwhelmingly liberal. That's not a surprise nor is it something I care about.
Makes sense, they all agree with you so it must be ok huh.
It's not really an accusation and it's more by definition at this point. Look at how many times you've @'d at GP just to cackle together over hysterical conservative talking points just in this one thread.
You mad that you don’t have a buddy? I’ve literally just responded to GP. How does that make it a circle jerk?
And why do you think academia is a groupthink cesspool?
Cause there is no room for opposite though. Why do you think the ration of liberals to conservatives is like 10:1. You clearly haven’t been on a college campus if you think this way. It’s hypocrisy left and right. I mentioned the professor I had right?
Stating that a conservative think tank thinks he's not moderate is rather vacuous. Perhaps something more specific?
That’s not what I was talking about. Did you read the article where constitutionalist judges like Scalia and Thomas voiced opinions that they necessarily didn’t agree with but ruled against their personal opinion anyways? That seems more moderate than Garland to me. I challenge you to name one case that displays how he’s a “moderate.”
This really doesn't mean much right? Conservatives may vote on the side of liberal policies and vise versa. Garland is noted for having judicial restraint which is more characteristic of conservative judges. So again I ask, what is a definitive sign of a more moderate judge and why are you definitively stating that Garland is not one?
And pray tell where Garland has broken from his liberal colleagues on the court system? I can bake you various instances where conservatives have. Garland is not an originalist because by definition originalist is moderate. They’re bounded by the Constitution whether they like it or not.
We must be on different wavelengths or something. The context is the people should get a say on presidential election years.
Sure if the party of the Senate is different from that of the President. Then a Presidential election in concurrence with Sebatorial elections can decide the will of the people. That process already happened in 2016 and 2018. The will of the people is in the White House and Senate.
The Biden rule wasn't a rule until Mitch made the precedent.
Biden came up with the idea. By logic he should agree with it, but he didn’t. So tell me again how Mitch McConnell started this when the idea was proposed by Joseph R. Biden himself. And let’s get one thing straight. If a vacancy did occur, as Chairman of the Judiciary Committee he wouldn’t have agreed to a vote.
I think I can let this one slide, given that it stems entirely from Mitch's hypocrisy.
To the contrary. The first action of hypocrisy was started by the Democrats when they disagreed with their own Vice President at that time in 2016.
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@Death23
It may have been a good idea at the time, but times have changed. Populations and communities have shifted across state borders, and people don't really identify with their states as much as they did back then, except maybe Texans seem to have a Texas thing going on. Something kindof annoying is that it's very difficult to change the constitution comparatively. (more reading: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2014/05/amending-the-constitution-is-much-too-hard-blame-the-founders.html ) Oh well, what can ya do though.
That’s precisely why they’re geniuses. Everything is malleable and the Constitution was designed to allow the malleability while keeping the core rules in place
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@Death23
The will of the dead people in action. That's what's really going on here.
The will of arguably the smartest group of people in the world.
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@bmdrocks21
FDR tried it, until he had a bunch of backlash. Hopefully it could be blocked somehow, but if they had big enough majorities, I'm sure it could be done within the constitution.
It would be very interesting - especially with Joe Manchin
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@Death23
The people voted for Hillary, and the Senate is even more undemocratic. This is not the will of the people. This is the will of the people being frustrated by American shitocracy.
Ever heard of the Connecticut Compromise?
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@Greyparrot
It's the very definition of today's cancel culture academia.I literally was forced to pretend to be a mouth breathing leftist to score Dean's Honor Roll every year while earning my degree. And that was back when cancel culture was just in its infancy.
College campuses are left wing cesspools too. The stuff they teach is complete and total bs
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@dustryder
Perhaps demonstrate so. At the moment all I see you posting uninformed opinions that you can't justify and you whining about biased academia. Which is great when circle jerking with other republicans, but it's useless in every other case.
I think MisterChris did that if you want to look into polling information. You accuse us of being in conservative circle jerk. Maybe you want to check out academia that’s literally a circle jerk and a groupthink cesspool.
Until it's shown otherwise?
Seems like GP did that for you. I also mentioned how he was anti-gun and pro-regulation. Not to mention fond of the EPA and IRS hegemony.
How have democrats been failing to follow the rule, when they haven't had the chance ever since the precedent was first made?
They flipped back in 2016. They flipped again now. Both sides did. They’re both hypocrites. You defending the actions of Democrats it’s peculiar.
No, by justifying his actions by claiming the American people should have a say, and then ignoring his own justifications when it becomes convenient. Do you have an example where Schumer has done this?
American people did get a say - in 2014, 2016, and 2018 when the GOP won and kept the Senate, followed by in 2016 when the GOP won the presidency.
Schumer on one hand wants his party’s nominee to be appointed even when his party wasn’t in power in the Senate. It directly is against the will of the people who have the GOP one of the largest gains in the Senate. He has flip flopped on the issue too, whether you like it or not, just because it’s politically convenient. If Mitch is a hypocrite, so is Chuck.
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@Greyparrot
If the people want judges, then they vote for a president and a senate that will work with the president.Like they did in 2014 and 2016,Nothing more to discuss. It's the will of the people of America in action. The world doesn't revolve around the left. It revolves around electionsWhich haveConsequences.
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@dustryder
You apparently have a brain, so theoretically you should be able to critically analyse news pieces and literature. Perhaps try it instead of whining at me.
I have. It’s horseshit and biased. I literally have a professor who taught feminist classes who’s being accused of sexual assault.
Sorry I should've been more clear. I think people in general should follow standards they themselves set. If Mitch has set the standard of Biden's rule, then he should be bound by it. Others shouldn't necessarily also be dragged into following it, and in this case with the Democrats that's probably ok. They were willing to go with a compromise pick. The same probably cannot be said with the republicans.
How many times are you gonna say Garland is a moderate. He’s not. If Mitch isn’t following the rule - Democrats didn’t either. If you’re saying one is the hypocrite, the other is the hypocrite too.
That your original point is wrong. He is not just "following the Biden rule". He's doing his own thing within the bounds of the law that best benefits his party.
By invoking the Biden? Sure. Schumer is doing the same thing.
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@dustryder
Their reasonings are certainly more convincing than the hot air you put out.
Yup, them and their media accomplices. We’re just all deplorables right?
Not really. Can and should are somewhat different. This congress has the power certainly but from a consistency standpoint, I think the precedent set by Mitch in 2016 should be followed.
This is laughable. You and I both know that Democrats would not hesitate to put a judge on the bench.
The original point was that using the Biden rule is pretextual and that Mitch is a hypocrite.Do you see how calling the Democrats hypocrites and asserting that the republicans have the power to seat a judge have nothing to do with this point?
Even if Mitch is a hypocrite, so is Chuck Schumer. What’s your point?
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@Intelligence_06
Can you explain? I am not old enough to be in any college.
90% of professors are liberal. Polling historically shows post grads are very liberal
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@Greyparrot
did you read the article? moderating the law causes uncertainty and civil unrest.People need to know for sure that the government is going to protect them.
Ya I did - moderate is according to the far left academia standards
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@Intelligence_06
How? It is more conservative than liberal to me.
Post grads are one of the most liberal constituencies. All you need to do is go to a college in and you’ll see what I mean.
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@Greyparrot
Originalist judges are probably the most moderate because the Constitution is designed to be fair
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@bmdrocks21
If so, and Biden wins both House and Senate, he will just add another two seats to SCOTUS and have another liberal majority for another few decades. Yay.......
Courts could theoretically rule it unconstitutional and Congress could do nothing about it
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@dustryder
Merrick Garland being a moderate is a view expressed by many versed in legalese and is hence my conclusion. If you think this is not the case, perhaps you should explain why instead of making a very obvious and predictable dodge.
Funny how academia is disproportionately liberal huh?
No one is arguing that the GOP doesn't have the power. But again, this is not the point.
Glad we agree then. Trump and nominate and Senate should vote. Period.
This has nothing to do with whether or not the Democrats are also hypocrites so still not the point?
Your dodging says it all - glad we agree that they’re hypocrites as well
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@Greyparrot
Amy is fine.Pretty much anyone the Heritage Foundation and Federalist Society says is qualified.
Ya I prefer her. The only possible Grey area from her could be immigration
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@Greyparrot
“There’s nothing in the Constitution that says the president stops being president in his last year.”-Ruth Bader Ginsberg July 10 , 2016. New York Times
Who do you want as her replacement?
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@Greyparrot
Even CNN is reporting that the seat will be filled before January.
At that point ram down the most conservative person they can find if Trump loses and Senate flips
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@Greyparrot
In the end there are no "moral justifications" for political actions.The Democrat party took a gamble with Obamacare and lost the Senate.
Democrats are just as hypocritical as Mitch McConnell - it pretty much offsets
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@dustryder
What are the characteristics of a moderate then and why does Garland not fulfill these characteristics?
I can’t help you if you think Merrick Garland is a moderate.
To be clear, the point I made is the invoking the Biden rule in defence of Mitch's hypocritical actions is pretextual. None of what you've said appears to have addressed this.
It’s pretty clear - the people gave the GOP the Senate and the Presidency through legitimate processes.
When Joe Biden and the Democrats have a problem is when a Republican is in the picture. The people didn’t give Democrats the mandate prior to 2016 because they didn’t control the Senate. By contrast GOP has both. Historically, GOP should confirm the nominee.
Democrats are as much of hypocrites as Mitch McConnell and the Democrats. Deal with it.
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@Death23
I don't see that Mitch has the votes because of a few GoP senators being potentially unwilling. He's probably got the votes though. Mitch's stance is clearly hypocritical, but it's not like anybody really believed him the first time. It's just so out in the open now, but when it comes to SCOTUS nominations the reputation damage is probably a small price to pay for the power of a life-long SCOTUS seat.
Even if he doesn’t have the votes right now, he will have them in a lame-duck session. I don’t see hypocrisy - I see opportunity. One that Democrats also wouldn’t have hesitated to take.
This result falls on two things - RBG for not retiring earlier and Barack Obama/Democrats shoving Obamacare down the throats of the GOP and Americans that resulted in them losing the Senate.
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@dustryder
You're missing some context I think.Firstly, "if a vacancy with the same party, fill it in election year" has been arbitrarily tacked on later to justify Mitch's actions. That bit is not a part of the "Biden rule" and is the flimsy pretext.
Doesn’t seem like it to me considering Joe Biden was the Chair of Judiciary Committee which Bush Sr. was there.
Secondly, the context of the rule when first suggested by Biden was to allow the people to have a say in the choice. This is the justification used by Mitch in blocking Merrick Garland.
Sure and that’s a logical justification.
Thirdly, the suggestion made by Biden at the time was, failing the second point, a compromise pick should be made either with the consultation of the senate or the selection of a moderate.
The President can appoint whoever he wants to. Historically, if the Senate and Presidency were in the same party’s hands a nominee was put on the bench.
Given the first point, Mitch is not actually invoking the Biden rule in this case. He's just doing what he wants and is legally able really.Given the second point, clearly Mitch is a hypocrite as he does not intend to follow the justification of the Biden rule, nor his own justification made at the time for blocking Garland.
His justification was Biden himself. Biden acknowledged that the process would be highly partisan probably because the Senate and Presidency were in the opposite hands.
Given the third point, arguably Mitch never followed the Biden rule in the first place, because from what I understand, Garland was and is a moderate, and was actually a Republican suggestion in the first place.
Garland is not a moderate. He rules liberally on everything there and is a judicial activist.
Also I'd point out that the Biden rule is not actually a rule. It was a suggestion at the time and never codified or put into practice until Mitch invoked it to justify blocking Garland. Given that he obviously doesn't care about the context behind the rule clearly means that invoking it is pretextual, both in the first instance of invoking it and even moreso in the second instance.
If you’re going to vote for Joe you gotta listen to what he says right? Your problem here is that you’re salty RBG didn’t retire under Obama and now her seat is going to be filled by a conservative. I have no doubt Democrats would fill it if the vacancy occurred during a Democratic President. The historical precedence lies with the GOP. Go read SirAnonymous’ post.
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@dustryder
Let's try not to justify Mitch's actions under such a flimsy pretext. It is sufficient to say that while hypocritical, Mitch is legally serving his party's best interests.
It’s not a flimsy pretext if that’s what he actually said. It is by no means hypocritical. The rule was created by Biden and Mitch just using it. A side effect is that he’s serving his party’s best interest. Historically same party in Senate and Presidency have nominated people
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@Greyparrot
Lol, court isnt getting packed.
Ed Markey already threatened to abolish the filibuster and pack the Court if Trump fills the seat before inauguration
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@Greyparrot
Honestly if the public gets upset about a conservative court, it will be the first time in over 70 years that the people actually cared about what the SCOTUS does.That's a good thing no matter who wins the election.
Imagine a court packing bill being sued and court decides against it lol
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@Greyparrot
Or they can do like Biden and not get anything done for 40 years and see how that works out.
Mitch is just following the Biden Rule - if vacancy with same party, fill it in election year, if parties are different wait till after election
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@Greyparrot
well Trump has 3 1/2 months to appoint a replacement. Get cracking.
The one thing Mitch is good at is getting judges on the bench. Even if there’s one week left, he’ll do it for sure. It’ll be easier during a lame duck session even if Trump loses
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@Greyparrot
This election just got more interesting
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@oromagi
I don't think there's any question trumpists will surrender all prior moral objections to appointing justices from four years ago and demand an appointment before January. What if Trump manages to bring the election outcome before the court (a la 2000)?
What Joe Biden said only applied if the parties in the Senate and Presidency were different, not the same 🤷♂️
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@lady3keys
The Democratic Platform is a Marxist power grab from every direction. Legalizing immigration. Check. Statehood to Puerto Rico and DC. Check. Packing the Courts. Check. All to do what? Implement a Green New Deal and socialized medicine that downgrades my healthcare but brings someone else’s up.
Don’t forget that the Bolshevik Revolution was cause by the people.
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