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@Crocodile
Without lynching probably 5 cause they have to kill all of us.
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@Crocodile
Why vtnl?shouldn't we try to find who scum is and lynch them earlier than later
The more nights we get the more information we can get to narrow down scum.
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I suggest we VTNL this DP and either come to a consensus on who to NK or agree to NK who we find scum and let stuff play out. It’s 5-1 right now. We have at least 3 DPs more assuming we continue to VTNL. Sooner or later we hit scum either through investigations or NKs.
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Letting mafia know our cards is like full claiming in a normal game. They know what they have to do and can easily circumvent any plan we make especially considering we don’t know the turn or the river. Also consider that mafia can cheat to benefit themselves. Revealing our cards is grounds for disaster. We have mafia on the run. Why give them a lifeline by revealing the only things that matter in this game?
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@BearMan
Ok, I see your point. Unless mafia can NK each other (which would be either genius or really stupid), Croc must be town.
I don’t see why they couldn’t to gain towncred.
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If you have 35 and are tow reas by others and noone else.has 3 or 5 I support you betting. You even can catch 34567 of I'm wrong about recycling, on the river. I don't actually think it's impossible even if I'm right but we'll discuss more once cards are revealed.
35 shouldn’t be betting here period.
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No they shouldn't. For example.why would QK, JQ or 78 and 910 fold.here if noone else has tbe card to stop.their steaight and pair(s) hitting?
JQ should 100% be betting. The other two are user discretion. In a normal poker game I would definitely bet with those hands at least up to the turn. In this scenario I’d fold. If you have nothing after the flop you should likely be folding. This isn’t the average poker game.
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That's why we share. Let's say you have a good hand but one or two ogher players have cards that imply you won't hot your hand. You then fold it of there's a cop candidate likely (probably don't fold ot, thsy just cop outsode you gove this flop allows two viable straights with an unlikely third possible, there's little reason to fold).We also can let a terrobld hand bet if noone has any cards countering a pair hot for it, just because it will be worth the risk , especially if that's townread by the cop player so wouldn't be investigated anyway. We keep targets of trackers and watchers secret to a degree, it's important we force some to confirm others.
That’s not covering our tracks by any means. Anyone who doesn’t have a hand should be folding period. If someone gets cop powers they should investigate the person find scummy. Whoever gets the NK should either shoot someone they find scummy or who we as a town agree to shoot in the night.
We shouldn’t be taking any risks here. The mafia are on the run, not us. Randomness is our friend. The less scum know the less they can outmaneuver us.
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Do you realise that mafia firstly need a good hand tk even have a power? Secondly most of town's power, if theg have any will beosused and a waste if we leave things in the dark.
They can cheat. Letting scum know what town is going to do is like giving them a blank check.
Secondly, ot helps js bet or not bet with more certainty of card odds. You sau 'cheat' but what we are doing is cheating and collision in loker, becauae even two people sharing cards gives each player aassive overall edge over many hands. We would be having 4-5 player collusion vs 1-2 players.
The collusion is even possible cause we cannot account for the turn and river card. If mafia know who’s betting and who’s not it only benefits them after the turn and river are revealed
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Whoever supports card claiming needs to explain how they are going to account for the turn and the river card which would screw up any plan we get
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By claiming all of our cards we are giving scum a blank check to “cheat” as they please. The best way for scum to execute their plans is to know everyone else’s cards. If they know their hand is garbage and a townie is for sure going to get it then they’ll just fold and a townie ends up killing who they think is scum which could be a townie. If no one admits to the NK we systematically ask for cards and catch scum like we did with Oro. Concealed cards benefits town. Period.
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@fauxlaw
1. abortion is a choice primarily of democrats, of whom 91% support it. https://www.pewforum.org/fact-sheet/public-opinion-on-abortion/
You mean infanticide?
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@HistoryBuff
why? it is covering their mouth
I don’t know what you’re trying to arguing? Are you justifying that people with these symptoms should be out on the streets with masks on because it covers their mouth?
yes. if you are standing close to someone who is talking, they have definitely had their spit land on you.
Then don’t stand in front of them when they’re talking lmao. Better yet, no one should talk. It just spreads the virus even more
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@PressF4Respect
Was the family movie night planned in advance?
I mean yeah? I go off to college in a month so and my parents have a day off on Saturday so we do a movie night.
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@PressF4Respect
You’re giving scum a blank check. Anything we plan now could backfire in a million ways because we don’t know the turn or the river card. It would cause more mishap and make it easier for scum.
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@Vader
I targeted Oro because I am not sure if town got a kill or not, so I did the cop
He was going to get lynched anyways. It was a waste of an investigation
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@Vader
Because a joker can be anything. There isn’t a certain class of Jokers. It goes for any card
Go visualize your joker from the hand. What color was it?
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@PressF4Respect
When are you available? Because we aren't going to get anything from Pie for a few hours (where he conveniently has family movie night),
Gimme ur snap I’ll send you a pic of my media roon
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Why would Pie be against use outing our cards if he's town here?
Randomness is our friend. We don’t know any of the mafia mechanics that could hinder our plan in so many areas. There’s literally no incentive for everyone to claim their cards
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@PressF4Respect
Mafia would also be forced to fake claim cards, which could snuff the mafia that are still alive.
No they wouldn’t.
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Btw, I genuinely support a mass-out today of all our cards. This will help for 2 reasons:
- We arrange a nearly unbreakable chain reaction of role-on-role actions based on the viable outcomes.
- We know each other's cards and can better assess the likelihood of a bet being worth or not much more than we otherwise would.
I vehemently disagree. All this does is reveal to mafia who has power roles in the night and who has nothing. Randomness is better in catching mafia. And after revealing there’s no guarantee that all of towns actions will have a chain reaction. Better to keep mafia guessing.
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You mean with your cop report? Or are you suggesting you caught the straight slip?
Cop report.
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@HistoryBuff
people cough and sneeze all the time, even when they aren't sick. If it is mild, lots of people would not think they are sick and be spreading the virus.
If someone is sneezing or coughing a mask isn’t going to prevent the virus from escaping.
most people have some amount of spit come out of their mouth when they talk. That is totally normal. The air leaving your mouth as you speak will propel saliva out.
That’s disgusting. You’re telling me people spit in your face when they’re talking to you face to face?
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If I was scum, why would you be roleblocked? Do you think I'd worry about you investigating me? You townread me.
This argument at best is WIFOM. I still scumread Croc and Supa. If both of those guys are town then you’re the next one.
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Tbh IDK how Poe can be town here, the way I se it no pairing makes sense without him and no individual mafia makes lynching Pie as town cost us the win.
There most likely aren’t 4 scum. I’m the most experienced person after DD and Warren who were both killed. It’s a pattern.
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Pie's interactions havd been far too friendly all game vs his town meta and on top of that, I noticed again and again on day 2 I'd out things like Speed slipping as he claimed a straight (like fifteen minutes after he did or whatever) theb Pie, who was there the whole time goes 'well done' to me. Then I do the same to Oromagi weirdly saying he had a 9 day 1 and Pie going 'well done' to me for spotting what he qas online to spot the whole time. Why isn't he on the ball and aggressively hunting mafia like usual when he's town?
What do you want me to say? And you forget that I was the one that caught Speed. I was the one who came up with the theory that 4oK was the highest hand and Oro not claiming the NK was scummy af.
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6-4 seems way too OP for scum since one mislynch can lead to there not being a lynch ever by town. 7-3 is with 2 mislynches which seems more reasonable
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The last scum is pie or supadudz in my opinion. Let's discuss a little more about how two deaths happened night 1, if we want to.
It’s either Croc or Supa from my POV. I also have a slight suspicion on you considering it was you who found both anomalies. It almost seems like it was planned that this would happen. After those 2 you’re on my list.
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Process of elimination. What was your role that was blocked and what were your cards?
I’m sure as hell not scum. I had a pair of 3s and was tracker. I had the 3 of Hearts and 5 of Clubs.
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I find Supa scummy for investigating someone that we all agreed was scum
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@HistoryBuff
the virus is carried in human saliva. If someone is asymptomatic it is still in their saliva. So if an asymptomatic person coughs, sneezes or even speaks, they will expel that saliva.
Coughing and sneezing are symptoms. And unless you talk hard and spit comes out talking doesn’t spread the virus lol.
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@Vader
I had the Wild Joker, 9 Spades, and the 9 in the last game
Was it the same joker from DP1?
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@Vader
VTL OROHad 3 of a kind. Copped Oro. Guilty.
Why would you investigate someone who we told to kill in the night?
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@Crocodile
I had the NK on oromagi, I was cop
Claim your cards and say your results.
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If anyone investigated me after I hardcarried town, I will scumread them for investigating me. Idc if you call it arrogant, I know when I am towny and I am literally the towniest player of this game.
You’re welcome to do that. Reassurance is better than doubt in my opinion.
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I will claim my hand when others are online to do it at same moment as I do.
I want to here from Crocodile first and foremost. Then you. If there was a cop that investigated you guilty then you have a plausible excuse. In that scenario the cards are the only things that matter. It’s likely 5-1 rn so we wind it down to 1-1 and whoever has the best hand will probably win.
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I am miller in the ohase before. Tbe two cards I have in this day phase combined with what I jave observed in people mentioning their hands imolies that afger day 1 no new cards entered the community cards or hands. We aren't dealing with a game of 54 reshuffled cards, I think that cards die with people and that there's a mechanism to calculate the cards in others' hands. The two cards in my hand today strongly imply this to me.
I meant that you should claim your cards from last DP.
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Tomorrow as in next day phase. Anyway I am miller frim the day before. I had cards worth betting with but bad luck with the turn and river.
If this is the case it’s imperative you claim right away.
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Town Roles
High card - miller
Pair - tracker
Two pair - watcher
Three of a kind - cop
Straight - BP, effective this night only
Flush - doc (no self-doc)
Full house - popular next DP
Four of a kind - double vote next DP
Straight Flush - vig
Five of a kind - declared innocent child
Just for reference
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@Crocodile
What were your actions and what were your cards?
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Alright. I was roleblocked last night by mafia. Whoever had the NK good job on Oro.
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@PressF4Respect
Also, are you ok with a quick maf running before or after this game?
Bruh
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@PressF4Respect
Because both of them are fun and interesting
Bruh. Pick one and the other gets in cue after that one is done.
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