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yes he does, he said so. Also, supa's inability to answer why applied to the opposite way around too, it's why he switched.
So you think he’s scums. Who said he supports you. Shouldn’t that be raising red flags lmao
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@BearMan
I have absolutely no idea. Croc was sus, but not enough to lynch.
Pick the 2 most scummiest people? Do you support a Mass card claim?
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Ok so you have Supa on your side. But he failed to answer my question about why.
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Why is he voting to lynch you?
Why don’t you ask him? I did. He hasn’t responded yet.
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No, if I am scum and this is 3-scum situation, everyone is my obstacle. I'd simply side with you, want town to not reveal cards and laugh at the disorganisation and how hard-townread I am by you. Instead, I challenged you and you fail to see how I'd never want to anger you as scum.
You’re funny. You were in my list the beginning of the DP. At best this is WIFOM anyways.
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Supa is VTL'ing you. Croc said he wants to lynch you tomorrow.
I’m referring to the card claiming. Supa albeit wishy washy is still on my side. Croc I recall saying disagrees with card claiming. To my knowledge you only have Press on your side unless Bear popped on somewhere.
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I am willing to but I know you will say that is me getting out of a 'slippery situation', regardless of anything I want cards outed so we 100% get useful brutally 1v1 conclusive information for the next day if the game doesn't end after those 2 deaths.
1 for 1 me. If we both die and are both town then town can go after Supa after which it will most likely be 2-1. I’m confident that you’re scum. 1 for 1 me.
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Based on your reactions since you came under pressure and Crocodile agreed to lynch you as well as you panicking as the vote headed towards revealing cards, you are either mafia who fully understand how bad the situation is for mafia or you are town and your aggression fits with your town pr
The vote never headed there. Supa is on my side and Croc is on my side as well from what I remember reading. Your flip flopping and gambit-heavy approach fits your scum meta. I’m the last obstacle standing in your way as scum and you know that
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@TheUnderdog
No worries dude. We don’t take anything personal. Political discourse is good
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Lynch Supadudz and based on his flip, the following:
- Mafia (and game keeps going) then I NK Bearman
- Town, I NK you.
So lynch Supa and NK me.
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Supa and Oromagi had what I would describe as a bus relationship on Day one. It also may explain why I was kept alive, since I defended the lynch on Supadudz.
Oro always does this. It’s not indicative of affiliation.
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Pie lying is not a scumtell, he will lie about people he suspects to paint a darker picture of them as town, I have seen it. He suffers from severe confirmation bias.
So am I scum or not? Which is it? It can’t be both
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So basically everyone except your inno report. Also Pie is lying about my reasoning, I am not trying to wiggle out of anything.
So you suddenly go from scumreading me and wanting me lynched to Supa? You haven’t even explained why ti my knowledge.
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@BearMan
If you could lynch one person today and kill another tonight who would it be?
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@Crocodile
Bear has hardly been active. he's lurking as well
I agree.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
lol he said more important than a car lol, when was the last time someone killed their car? hell they will pay a bunch of money just to get it fixed!! I'd bet for them, wrecking their car is far more traumatic than an abortion. it's more difficult to get a driver's licence than an abortion.
I just find it funny how he compares a baby to a piece of property. Maybe every time a woman gets an abortion they should total their car too
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@Crocodile
Wait why is Supa scum? what happened lol
RM wants to 1 for 1 him so after I get NKed tonight he can wiggle his way out of the slimy situation by manipulating y’all.
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We should out cards not vtnl first.
Nope. Only scenario where I do this is 1 for 1 me.
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@Bullish
VTNL
Whoever gets the NK, shoot who you think is scum. We have all the time in the world to catch scum in at least the next 3 NPs
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I agree to 1 for 1 supadudz but I dont agree to lynch me or you today, we do it tomorrow or tonight depending.
Why’re you swapping? You were adamant about lynching me then you suddenly flop.
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Based on your aggressive reaction to this situation, I'd prefer 1 for 1 me vs supadudz but even then I don't get why we need to risk it when we can just reveal cards and safely plan the night.
There’s no safe planning this. It’s impossible. I’ll agree to your card thing on condition. You agree to 1 for 1 me. We VTNL for 2 DPs and both of us get killed in the night. It will still end up being 3-1.
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@fauxlaw
Looks like babies are property to them just like slaves were back in the day
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@HistoryBuff
Why shouldn't it? We protect your car. IE if someone steals it or destroys it that is a crime and is punishable. A fetus is more important to someone that a car. So why would we not have legal protections for it?
So a fetus is property to you?
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I will repeat the reply to that:I accept no plan that doesn't involve us all revealing cards and fully planning the night out. You can 1 for 1 me all you want, if you are town that's 2 town and 2 leading, active town at that.
Nope. No to card reveal. Y’all can lynch me but when I flip town, RM should be lynched for openly supporting this scum move.
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Why are you 100% sure I am scum?
Asking for everyone to out their cards without a need to especially when there is one scum left who can use this information to their advantage. Especially since they can cheat. Especially since we don’t know the turn and river. All of this is scummy af.
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Currently, we have no plan whatsoever. I am suggesting we make a plan and the only way to make a plan is by that revealing process.
We can make a plan without knowing cards by using hypotheticals. Like if Supa is tracker he should track Press. Press to Croc. So on. Create one for watcher and tracker and cop. Why do you need cards to determine this? If they don’t follow their course of action they’ll get caught and they’ll be scum right?
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I accept no plan that doesn't involve us all revealing cards and fully planning the night out. You can 1 for 1 me all you want, if you are town that's 2 town and 2 leading, active town at that.
I’m 100% you’re scum. What are you afraid of. Why don’t you accept it? I’ll even sweeten the deal. Get rid of me first then you.
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I challenge RM to a 1 for 1. If I get lynched rn. He should be NKed tonight. And vice versa.
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@Vader
Sorry. You just my biggest scum read. You're kinda switchin up massively and it's making me sus.
May I ask what I’m switching up on?
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It helps town manipulate the game too, severely so. It would mean we had a very skilled plan tonight where tomorrow is almost certainly going to narrow down scum becaue we will have clears vs counterclaims in almost no time whatsoever. Instead, you want to allow scum to easily be wrongly cleared if they lack the NK tonight as they'll be tracked visiting or whatever (I assume almost all scum roles involve visiting but I can definitely be wrong there) and since who they visit doesn't die and since they never had to reveal their cards the day before, they retrospectively come up with a hand to claim that lets them be townread and fits their visit perfec
You can’t create a perfect plan because roles will switch after the last two cards are revealed. Town cannot create a full proof plan. It’s literally impossible especially with scum knowing our every plan. You’re literally advocating a military to give their plans to invade a country to that country.
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You went from townreading me to scumreading me simply over me standing my ground on something that would be so easy for me to give up on presenting or antagonising you with if I were scum. You were completely on my side all game long, why would I need to irritate you or argue with you if I were scum?
That’s a lie. I said your in my top 3 scumreads.
I'd never do that but you don't know that as you think I am simply gambit-hungry and dumb.
You’re definitely gambit-hungry. Dumb is debatable.
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At this point, I think you are scum but I am speaking to you in the hopes that even if you are scum you will change your mind (or that if you are not and simply are being stubborn that you consider my points).
Likewise. I know I’m going to die today cause I’m the last thorn in your side until complete manipulation of town. Who else here is going to fight you?
I would like to present this differently to you than you are currently perceiving it.You are currently weighing absolute certainty against risk but I want you to weigh cost vs benefit. Explain to me how the benefits of card-hiding outweigh the cost of town being in complete darkness to each other as well as having 2/3 less information about others' cards.
There is no absolute certainty with revealing our cards. Randomness has been our friend the past two DPs. No oneone knew cards and we got rid of two scum. Knowing cards only helps scum because they can manipulate the game. That’s literally their mechanic this game. They cheat.
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@Vader
I like this idea then if luck comes onto our side.The one issue is we have no idea what roles mafia can choose. They could have a ninja, which would make the strategy a losing strategy
We don’t know who will have the highest hand cause. As you mentioned we don’t know how Mafia could cheat to make the people involved scummy. Plus to use this we have to assume there will be a tracker tonight based on our cards which itself is great info for scum more than us.
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@HistoryBuff
a fetus belongs to the woman carrying it. If you kill it you should be liable for that. If she wishes to terminate it, that is her decision.
If it has no rights and isn’t living why should it be protected by laws?
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@fauxlaw
To be fair to Democrats, historically, they've only favored pre-birth abortion, which would not, therefore, fit the description of infanticide. However, their new stripe does allow for post-birth, which does meet the definition of infanticide.
If a fetus has no rights then feticide should be legal to everyone with no repercussions.
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I vote to out cards, let's take a vote.
I say no. If you would like to read my reasoning it’s in my previous posts.
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I don't even begi to grasp the case you're makingm mafia does have a life line if town stays disorganised with ngiht actions and unwise overly caitious folds and overly brave bets that result from lacking the information of others' cards
You don’t need cards to coordinate as I mentioned earlier. You shouldn’t be betting if you don’t have a hand period. If you’re in a dilemma go the safe route and fold. Knowing cards benefits scum
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You clearly eother know nothing about poker and gambling or are lying. Gambling optimally involves constantly increasing the information with which we make non-fool-proof plans. That doesn't mean it's dumb to increase the information.
This isn’t your average poker game dude. If poker started with the flop already on the table then the game would be played completely differently. Mafia knowing everyone Town role is grounds for disaster.
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What stops three people who hit pairs tracking the same person? Do you see how that lack of coordination only benefits mafia? Also how can they bet or fold as wisely lacking the 10 cards of extra information sitting on others' hands?
The chance of that happening is minimal. We cannot make the coordination fool proof. And why do you need cards to tell people who to track? Assign a person to a person. If they have the role then it goes through. You don’t need cards to do this. Coordination can happen without cards. As for betting you have 3 cards in front of you. If you have a garbage hand you shouldn’t be betting period. Revealing our hands also tells scum who’s getting the NK and then they can act appropriately. There’s literally no incentive to claiming our cards.
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@Crocodile
I'm not saying that we will be completely screwed, I'm saying that it is detrimental to town.
How and why?
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Info that is. We can then assess who would manipulate it and why. Unless you're suggesting they cant make people visit each other, your point is rather moot.
You’re assuming a lot of things. Giving Mafia a blank check is anti-town. We can’t make a fool proof plan period. If we can’t there’s no use to revealing our cards.
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Yes I do, I am trying to help townake the best bets and folds they can. At the moment everyone only knows five cards and can't coordinate who to investigate or anything.
So you don’t trust townies to execute their roles and cards properly? That’s surprising. If people need help they can ask Bullish.
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People may even track the same target due to our lack of organisation.
Or you let mafia know who you’re tracking tonight and they do something to hinder it anyways. Which one sounds better anyways? Information that likely isn’t manipulated by scum or info that is?
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@Crocodile
if we VTNL, and mafia does a NK, we're screwed.
Can you answer my question and why?
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No, we get barely anything if we don't share carda, we may even get false reports from cops based on people betting when they would habe folded had they known others' cards reduce their chance to hit a pair.
Fold if you don’t know what to do. It’s simple. You don’t need to put your nose in everyone else’s cards. Revealing our cards to scum is like pulling your pants down.
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You are intentionally deceiving town, rishing to a night where qe lack sufficient information of cards during the day and making us waste our ability to better asses card odds from sharing cards.
We can get information tomorrow after we use our roles. Why do you want to give scum a blank check? Do you not have faith in town that they’ll use their roles properly? Like what are you trying to say?
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Otherwise three is more realistic if we play passove, cowardly and gain zero worthwile information as we refuse to out our cards. All that happens is I die tonight most likely.
You or me assuming mafia get the NK or someone thinks we’re scum. We gain a lot of information based on roles tonight. Information and logistics scum won’t have
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