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Should I start a new account?
Depends why do you want to?
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Mafia games are not self-regulating.
Even if the threat is not legitimate, why is it okay to say what he said at all?
First Amendment. Specifically Brandenburg v. Ohio
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
In some areas they threaten businesses with fines if they let people in without masks, seems easy enough to reopen most businesses. 
If the business owner wants masks, that’s up to them.  I’ll gladly wear it to go to my favorite restaurant. Can’t keep stuff locked down though. 
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Why is it ok to say that just because it's a mafia game? Why is it ever okay to say what he said???
No one but you sees it as a legitimate threat dude. 
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@Greyparrot
@TheDredPriateRoberts
If masks work require everyone to wear one and reopen everything. Pretty good compromise imo
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@fauxlaw
He’s not even American, no use arguing with him. He’s entitled to his opinion, but he can’t legally act on it.
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That's all, goodbye.
Have a nice day.
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@Vader
Pretty sure he has everyone blocked anyways. No one cares about anything he has to say
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What NFL team do you root for?
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@Vader
CEEDEEE LAMB
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@warren42
My problem is that you're not even saying "Well that sucks that he's probably town but he didn't help himself" you're saying "He deserved it." Like c'mon man, this was a bad lynch.
He did deserve it for being anti-town. If he flips town I won’t have remorse because he brought it upon him.

And discarding his claim as useless, which, though he should've claimed before death, it's definitely not useless and you saying as much is solely out of spite
It meant useless at that point. Cause he claimed after he was lynched. We’re going to find out anyways next DP.
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Not to mention Telekineist isn’t even a role. 
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@warren42
You're so arrogant here. He did some dumb stuff yes but was not at any point scummy. Also his role claim post-lynch is dumb that he waited but certainly not useless.
He was being anti-town and deserved to be lynched period.
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@oromagi
UNVOTE
Lynch already occurred unfortunately 

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Mafia has a stronggarm, i am a flavoured bulletproof whose role description made it clear that only a telekinesist or strongman could kill me. Good luck town. Remember my townreads.
Useless.
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@warren42
Jesus Christ this is such a bad lynch
He asked for it.
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@Vader
There is no theme split. This was MOD CONFIRMED info. Why are people still pressing on this?
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@warren42
He's not
He’s being anti-town.
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@Crocodile
could you give me a few posts where RM was scummy? I'm losing brain cells right now looking over a 300+ forum thread
It’s mainly the fact that he refuses to full claim when pressured to do so. It could be interpreted as scum refusing to claim for fear of being CCed or town being stubborn and being anti town in the process. 
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@RationalMadman
I know for a fact that they were far more arrogant and less rational than the DART crowd (which they're part of actually). The culture here lets players think for themsleves a little more but players like yourself keep that from truly blossoming.
That has nothing to with playing mafia according to strategical means. It’s inherently scummy to not claim when pressured to do so, whether you like it or not. 
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@oromagi
True but your odds of forcing town to out power roles in a role madness game is higher than your odds of forcing mafia, right?
Sure the odds are against us either way. But we have to start somewhere. Roles can be malleable cause one character can fit many roles. Mass character claiming or popcorning doesn’t give us much information because everyone will just claim their character.
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@RationalMadman
Think for yourself, not ddo elders. They were gang mentality too.
They were way better than any of us. That’s how every game has been played. You get pressured to full claim, you full claim. If you don’t you get lynched. Plain and simple.
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@warren42
So you think he's town?
I think his play is scummy whether or not he’s scum and deserves to be Policy lynched. His behavior says he’s scum. He’s claiming that townies would resist giving information to justify his claim that he’s town. I’m saying scum would do the same thing. I’m not saying this, the elders of Mafia said that in a game I played on DDO in my early days.
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@oromagi
True but it's role madness.  We should assume that town has a lot of powers.  If character has no thematic utility then perhaps we can make character claim work for us by generating mafia lies that can be countered or tested.
Idk if you remember but early on in the DP I said we should get claims from people selectively. Behavior is more important. Popcorning characters has no value cause characters can be linked to a plethora of roles. When I create games sometimes I have to stretch the roles a bit to fit with the characters. It’s best to selectively demand character and role because latter has insanely higher chance of being CCed in a role madness game.
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@RationalMadman
I gave a char claim. All other okayers have tbe privacy of their char. First violate their privacy equal to how mine has been violated befire telling me I owe more secrets. I hold this principle to the grave, whether IRL or on here. All are entitled equally to their privacy, stay tf outta my busoness unless you want yours poked into, paparazzi and all.

You are not my susperior, you are actually my inferior rn as I'm the only one who has outed my major character claim. I have more towncred than you, no matter how delusional the vote ends up being.
You don’t have more towncred than me because your character means nothing in this game because there’s no thematic split. I said this towards the beginning of the DP. If we want someone to claim we should probably ask for a full claim. My discussion with you is over. You are being anti-town and are my policy lynch.
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@RationalMadman
It is. Town would take the hint.
Mafia would do the same thing to not be forced to claim.
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Mafia would do the same thing as you would do as town^
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@RationalMadman
You are applying harder pressyre the more clear I make it that my role shouldn't be known by mafia.
That’s not indicative of affiliation.
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@RationalMadman
Easy to cooperate when you're on the right side of the bullying.
I’m talking about past games. Any person will tell you it’s anti-town to not full claim when it’s demanded by us as town. Bsh, TUF, Khaos. I literally was in your position when I first started playing. You think yourself as a hero. You’re not.
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Blatant OMGUS from RM. 
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@RationalMadman
Get this into your brain:

I am not in any shaoe or form less entitled to the lrivacy of my role and character than you are, you entitled narcissist. You own and represent not even an iota of towncred or hoerarchical status here are above me. I gave my haracter and you ask for more, what will you give me?
I’ll give you shit when there’s a wagon on me because unlike you I have been cooperative to town in the past and will continue to be cooperative to town. You on the other refuse to do anything. You are the policy lynch here whether you like it or not.
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@RationalMadman
Good luck without me. You don't deserve my presence in games, you prey on any fun personality at all. 
You’re actively ruining the game by not full claiming when pressured to do so. It’s anti-town plain and simple
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@RationalMadman
Now you claim.

Never ever threaten me again.

You after Oromagi though, his threat pissed me off more.
You have not full claimed.
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@oromagi
I like the claim of Ultron.  A very likely candidate and so likely to be CC'd if he's lying.  I buy Ultron.
Character means nothing in a game where there’s no thematic split.
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@Vader
@warren42
@oromagi
@WaterPhoenix
@PressF4Respect
Let’s Policy lynch RM for being blatantly anti-town
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@RationalMadman
Go ahead. Blacklist me. I don't fear you. I have done nothing but played brilliantly so far. Croc threw your game hard and is there blacklisted, Oromagi made grievous bodily harm threat here and isn't blacklisted. I play hardcore well ams don't bow down to you and you threaten me? You just commited OGI, fuck off.
Your choice.
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@RationalMadman
Not happening. I char claim, end of discussion. You can lynch me as you want.
Why are you adamant on being anti-town if you’re town. Literally everyone full claims if they’re pressured to do by town. You’re not special. Claim your role or throw the game and get blacklisted.
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@RationalMadman
If I claim, I want a written promise that we lynch Oromagi. No questions asked, no hesitation, full wrath. Otherwise lynch me and find oht the hard way.
That’s not how it works. We will re-evaluate who to lynch if we do. For now you need to full claim.
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@Vader
@WaterPhoenix
@skittlez09
@BearMan
Help me pressure RM for a full claim.
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@RationalMadman
I lromise I will not claim. I have both done nothing to deserve being picked on and also am happy to make a shitty town lose if they're going to treat me this way, end of discussion.
This is inherently anti town.
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@RationalMadman
@Speedrace
VTL RM

Character and role please. 
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@Vader
@warren42
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@BearMan
I really don’t like RM’s vendetta out against Oro being third party and demanding his lynch. It seems to me that he was distracting town early on with the TP accusation and then when caught he was forced to hunt for mafia with Press. I think I’d like for him to full claim at this point. Thoughts?
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@Speedrace
Unvote
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@Speedrace
RM was gaslighting a lot last game from what I noticed. He was drawing attention away from what we should focus on.

Unvote VTL SUPA
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@RationalMadman
Think about it, there's 2-3 sides of any mafia game but many more characters than that. It's the roles that are split just as much as the characters are (especially in games without vanillas).
Characters are connected in games where there’s a thematic difference. Without considering this with regards to MCU, you pick 2-3 villains and create roles. Considering thematically you’d have to pick 2-3 that are somehow related. They all were in the same movie for example
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@RationalMadman
the proof will be in what he flips as, how can I bring you to the future? As for the clues, the first is how okay and keen he was to lynch inactives so much so he said it 2 times (if not 3). It is strange for him so early to be reiterating that. 
That’s how he plays. Willingness to lynch inactives is not indicative of affiliation. It’s how I’ve played as well. Do you think I’m third party as well?

Now, push that aside, Oromagi as town and as I interacted with him last game, is all about tactical prods. This game he isn't tactically 'prodding' people, he's almost whispering in a corner 'about' people intending for other people to read what he says. This is not the reaction-testing maniac I knew when he was cop last game, it doesn't even resemble him.
Pressing for activity is prodding imo

He is far too passive this game as well. Last game he leapt at me or would be leaping at warren the moment he scumread us for out interactions or whatever. This game, he is so gently talking 'about' poeple to question them, it isn't his town meta at all.
I don’t think you’ve played enough with Oro recently to know what his meta is.

Why not scum? Why thirdparty? Those tells will be revealed as the game goes by, call it a hunch. The short answer is that as scum, he'd at least be attacking his own teammates or someone. As thirdparty he's scared to piss the mafia or a vigilante off, he wants to survive, it's possible his role even is literally 'survivor'.
We’ll see. But as of now there’s no indication he’s third party or if a third party even exists
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@RationalMadman
Thematic Split inherently indicates something connecting all the mafia. There’s no subconscious way to do that. It’s possible 2 could be related and one odd one out, but it’s safer to say character is more connected to role than affiliation based on what Speed has said
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@warren42
Everyone else, do we think RM is more likely to insist speed has made a subconscious theme split and work on analyzing it as scum or town?
Could be interpreted either way. Scum fishing for info or genuine town
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@RationalMadman
He is third-party, do not pay attention to oromagi. Focus and keep interrogating me, it at least can help things progress from branch-out things from that.
Prove he’s third party and we’ll talk.
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@oromagi
So you gave us all those reads before reading the game concept?
He’s pretty meticulous. Don’t know how he missed it
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@oromagi
Perhaps although the link between my character and role is quite weak. But if you're right doesn't early character claim favor town?  For example, if Kingpin was GODFATHER we'd force him to lie, which might get caught or increase by suspicion by providing a godfathery claim.
I’ve always been against any sort of claims unless there’s a consensus that we need a claim. Realistically there are more than enough villains considering how many movies there are in MCU. Selectivness is our best bet because in the chance we do force a Mafia member to claim, it will be harder and more likely to earn a CC. If it’s a town member then it will be pretty easy. Since there’s no link to affiliation based on characters thematic analysis is practically useless. In an event where we ask for someone to claim I’m all for a full claim at that point because character gives no new information.
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