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how do you figure? I explained quite rationally why they don't deserve statues. I'm not upset at all. 

not really. They are both assholes who killed for money and power. Neither deserve monuments. Seems pretty apt to me. 

depends on reasons and the statue I suppose. One statue of Lincoln, it was because the statue had a black man kneeling at his feet in subservience. The classic "white saviour" trope. There's that teddy roesevelt statue with him on a horse leading 2 half naked black slaves. That one is also super racist.

It isn't just about who the statue is of, the context matters.

Being pardoned for a crime doesn't mean you never committed it. They are traitors. They betrayed their country to protect their wealth and power. There is nothing about that that deserves a monument.

He is an example of an important historical figure that does not deserve a statue and should not be forgotten. Exactly like the confederates. 

The difference is that Washington and Jefferson weren't traitors to their people who fought a war against their own people just so that they could keep millions of people in slavery.

no, because the US flag is the flag of a country. The Confederate flag represents a group of traitors who were fighting for slavery over a hundred years ago. They only existed for a couple of years. I agree that people should have the right to protest (including burning flags).

If people want to buy confederate flags and put them in their own homes, they can go for it for all I care. But when it comes to public places, they don't need to display their racism there.

The slippery slope arguement is such a sad argument. I'm sure nazi's would make the same arguement. "you can't ban statues to hitler because tomorrow it will be someone else". It is pathetic. The confederates were traitors to their nation who fought to keep people in chains. They do not deserve monuments. 

The confederate flag is a symbol of racism and oppression. Flying it is an insult and is really racist. Some people also see the american flag as a symbol of racism and oppression. I have no problem with people burning it, or any other flag.

civil war statues were not erected to heal the nation. Most of the statues were not put up in the years following the civil war. They really started to be built during the Jim Crowe era of segregation. 

The war ended in 1865. Most statues were built between 1890 and 1950, with the biggest spike being between 1900 and 1920. They were built as monuments to racism. The confederates they depict fought to keep the blacks enslaved. And the during the Jim Crowe era, white people will still trying to keep the blacks down. 

Why should america keep monuments to long dead traitors who fought so that others would never know freedom? 

Yeah, bro. That works wonders for racial relations when a black person with an SAT score 100 points lower is admitted in front of you at a good college.

What could go wrong?

Exactly. As a result of this systemic injustice, I say we should commit murder at 4x the rate logical by our portion of the population (all 280ish percent of it 😂)

That is clearly the logical response to this information.

no, there is a push to give people of color a place. That isn't discrimination against white people. 

To be fair this isn't really relevant to Evangelical support for Israel. I think they mostly support Israel b/c they're afraid of Muslims lmao.

If there isn't a majority vote by the end of the day, what will happen?

Un-vtl.

Problem is, i'm not vtling myself. I'm currently not voting.