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@Lunatic
Set up a day ahead of time so people can make plans. I’d be down. I want to listen to yalls beautiful voices
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@HistoryBuff
Do you even know what a quid pro quo is? If you exchange money for any commercial item, that is a quid pro quo. It just means you give something and you get something. In general a quid pro quo is normal. The reason when trump did it it was illegal was because he was giving something with the power of the presidency in exchange to get something that benefits him personally. That is extremely bad and illegal.
What if he was asking for a just investigation that was stopped because of the corruption of Joe Biden?
This is laughable. Hunter Biden had zero experience in Ukraine. Zero experience in energy. He begins working for a company that pays him 600k a year. When they’re under investigation by a Ukrainian Prosecuter, Biden using his authority as the Vice President withholds aid until the prosecuter is fired. Clear corruption. The US has no authority to dictate investigations in another country (a claim you have failed refute). If this doesn’t scream corruption and misuse of power then you’re part of the problem.Biden gave something and the US got something. That is normal diplomacy. But Biden didn't do it with any intention of personally profiting. There is also no evidence that he did personally profit. Therefore no, there is no evidence Biden committed a crime. There is clear evidence trump did.
Now, second part. It’s in the interest of the US to end corruption. He has the full right to ask for an investigation. Asking is not illegal.
No it very much is not. Investigative powers are not granted to the president. If he wanted corruption investigated the correct path would be to either have a law enforcement agency or congress investigate. You do not send your personal attorney to dig up dirt on your rivals.
As the Chief Diplomat, he does have the power to ask nations for help in investigative matters. And he told the President Zelensky that he’d send Attorny General Barr who heads the Justice Department to talk. There’s your federal agency.
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@HistoryBuff
For what? Other than some vague trump lines, there is no suggestion Biden ever broke a law. He carried out what the US government, the EU, the UK and many others wanted done.
So because they wanted it, it’s not illegal? You sir are under the assumption that because everyone wanted it, it was ok. The fact of the matter is that no one has the right to influence the judicial system of another country. What Biden did was inherently wrong no matter how you spin it. He knowingly committed quid pro quo with the help of Barack Obama.
And he admitted that he did in his interview. If you think what Trump did was illegal - which there is no evidence of unless you believe Adam Schiff and his leakers (another crime) then you are also part of the problem. Biden is not above the law. It is the prerogative of the President to investigate corruption whenever it occurred especially in the US government. Just because he’s a possible opponent doesn’t make him go above the law.
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@HistoryBuff
We already know for certain he has broken 1. He asked for a thing of value that would help him in an election.
Why isn’t Biden in jail?
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@Imabench
They all voted against making the meetings open:
This is misleading. One bad clause in the entire resolution can make it not passable in Congress. In this scenario, the bill stated that the GOP does not have the authority subpoena unless the Chairman (Democrat) says it’s ok which goes against precedent in both the Nixon and Clinton trials where both the Chairman and Ranking Member had the authority to subpoena whoever they wanted to. One bad clause can literally make the bill unpassable. In this case it passed but with every Republican and 2 Democrats against it, but you can’t blame the GOP for being hypocritical when the Democrats purposefully did that.
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@Mharman
nah I need time to formulate my strategy. Send it to me cause ILikePie...
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@A-R-O-S-E
Wouldn't maf want a mislynch and no a distraction? More DPS is an easier win, obviously.
No. We don’t get information and therefore we’re back at square one. I would like you to go record with who your top 3 scum picks are.
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@oromagi
What can you tell us about your role and character?UNVOTEVTL Pie
We don’t need more claims. Lynch today is either SA or AROSE. Any other person is a distraction and anti town in my eyes.
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@SirAnonymous
More like that he hasn't thought about it, since saying "I'll figure it out" implies that he hasn't thought it out yet.
That’s not how it works.
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@drafterman
I'll figure that out then.
Alright, on the record you are unwilling to say.
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@PressF4Respect
Can you provide a link? I don't wanna go back through 650 posts
You should read everything, but here:
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@drafterman
It’s for the record....there are 3 scum. SA is scum to you, but if he flips town, who’s the next person?Me: I focus on one person at a time.Pie: Okay, so who are your other reads.Me: (≖_≖ )
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@drafterman
I tend to focus on one person at a time.
So you don’t have any other scumreads besides SA?
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@PressF4Respect
Please provide us with your full reads, this flip-flop questioning looks really sus.
I already posted my reads earlier in the DP...you haven’t if I seem to recall correctly.
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@drafterman
I feel all of this diffusion of pressure is scummy, tbh. Whatever I feel, I think SA is still the best wagon.
It’s the best policy. Right now I’m trying to get statements from people to use in the future after mafia are revealed.
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@Lunatic
Would you classify his outright character claim as town?Well it's been years since I've played forum mafia with him, but he is a pretty conservative player as both town and mafia. I've played most with him in live mafia games from google hangouts. I think he is undefeated there, or if not he definitely has a high win percentage as both mafia or town. He's very good at blending in as town, and he isn't likely to press a lynch as town unless he observes some really scummy behavior.
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@drafterman
@PressF4Respect
@SirAnonymous
How do y’all feel about Supa?
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@Lunatic
I think we redirect to Supa. He’s my top scumread since the beginning.
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@Lunatic
You have the most experience playing with AirMax. Can you tell us his play style?
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@drafterman
I read his posts and they don't make me think he's scum?
Can you please point me to some? For the record.
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@drafterman
I'm not getting a scum read from Arose, either.
Can you please elaborate?
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@Lunatic
Dude if I am being honest, I don't know how to read wylted. That just seems like something he would say. It would be scummy if anyone else said it, but wylted plays this way a lot. Says kind of outlandish things for a reaction.
I agree, Wylted is hard to read. I think we leave it alone for now and reassess with more information about balance and the theme.
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@Lunatic
How do you feel about Wylted’s Claim of being or not being a vigilante? Method to get shot or method to out a possible vigilante?
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@Lunatic
That post you linked if anything is more damning. He claimed he would gambit, no such gambit has occurred.
That was from sign ups.
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@Wylted
I thought arose was scum since page 2 so also down for that SA seems phony as fuck though. Maybe it is just their personality
How do feel about Supa?
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@Vader
He stated he was not interested in mafia unless he did his role thingy he did. That definetly dettered him from being active.
Can you show me the post where he said that?
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@Lunatic
I felt similar about oromagi as well. He's posting but I don't know if it's crazy useful. And if you call him out on his activity he gets super defensive and omgusy lol, even though my read list listed several other players as inactive at the time.
Oro is levi_smiles from DDO and I remember where he was a popular mafia and chilled the entire DP lol
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@Vader
His gambit where he hides his character and role is what he does as town. That is my presumption since I for one do not know his scum play
His inactivity is the question....
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@Lunatic
What are your thoughts on an A-R-O-S-E lynch, and if not what are your objections or observations of town play from him, outside his character claim?
He’s Null to lean scum for me due to inactivity especially this far into the DP, but I see your point. I don’t think I’ve seen him be scum yet. I think he is fairly active as town tho when he was the Hider and last DP with the gambit. Oro is also one of these people as I mentioned earlier I think. As scum he’s a heavy lurker but last game he was cop and was lurking too. I’d be willing to pressure him an possibly lynch him if we can get the numbers. I’m only on SA by proxy...
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@Lunatic
I know policy DP1 lynch culture is another stereotype that has accrued. It, like the LAL policy, I think got a bit warped. Lynching is preferred to no lynching, sure, but I would argue no lynching is preferred to mis-lynching. And let's face it, the case on SirAnonymous is pretty darn weak. I think the biggest argument is that his claim seems "kinda weak". I thought so too at first but as I've thought about it, I don't really see mafia letting him use a claim like that. They also would have advised him to wait until claiming and not caving in to 1 vote. Unless the other mafia was equally as nooby, but considering some of the noobier players are gunning for the lynch, I just don't think SA is mafia.
Depends on who’s mafia and if they were on or not during the pressure.
I don't have an alternative for you however. I have some scummy gut feelings but I don't have evidence to support them.As far as getting info, I don't really see how lynching SA is going to give us much of that. We will learn what? That the mod included a character in that only appeared in a few episodes? How does that information help us? We will get information from a flip from the mafia night kill. This lynch feels lazy and I'd rather VTNL than lynch SA if we are feeling pressured to end the DP
The SA + probably NK will give us info with regards to character justification which is a problem that came up in the DP. A third kill is possible if Wylted is actually a vig and shoots someone. Essentially it sets a trend and allows us to delve into theme analysis along with behavioral analysis. It’s harder for mafia to fake claim characters that fit the theme and allows for more miscues. After we find one, we reread the DPs and go from there.
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@Lunatic
Im not either, but derailing this for someone else is a long shot and I’d prefer if we have some info going into tomorrow rather than starting at square one again
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I think we are at the end of this DP. School has started once again for me and college apps are like due this Friday. I’ll check in as often as I can, but for now
VTL SA
We need information for tomorrow.
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@Vader
I then said SA and GP could be a team since they have not talked much with each other and GP seems to be targeting me vs SA who is a scum
You did not say that.
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@Vader
yes...cause he has done that in the past. probably to distract scum from targetting him
Link please?
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@Vader
I said two options can happen..., I leaned A at the time
Ok that’s fine. What made you change your mind in a matter of two posts ?
I said I could see the scum team bc GP is mildly avoiding SA this game and keeping his vote on him
No you did not.
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@Lunatic
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@oromagi
No. Those posts were for PressF. I said Dwight, cop is more believable to Jim, vanilla....whats unclear?
Post 188 by Supa: “Dwight Schute at cop makes more sense than Jim at Vanilla.
That means GP is a power role and hiding it or he is scum, I’m leaning A”
Post 190 by Supa: “I could see a Sir and GP scum, I’ll give more reads tmrw”
A complete 180 with regards to GP in two posts.
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@Vader
You haven't been reading up if you don't see my lean scum on GP
That’s not what you said. You said GP was town and then two posts later you said he’s scum. Then I ask you what made you change your mind in 2 posts and you say the shh thing which is non existence to begin with and even if it was there you said it’s with regards to PressF not GP.
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@Vader
It was PressF not GP
You flip flopped on GP not Press 🤦🏻♂️
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@Speedrace
I can't tell you that without claiming lol
Then it’s not a balance issue lol. And you’re phishing for his real claim
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