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@Speedrace
So your claim of knowing the role and name of that person was incorrect?Disc told me that roles were picked randomly, so my PM is pretty much irrelevantI'm a Coroner, so I can see someone's true role and affiliation after they die, even if it was altered. I thought this meant there was a role alterer, but random roles means there isn't necessarily one. However, I would advise EVERYONE to put their role and affiliation and what not into their will, just in case there is an alterer
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@SirAnonymous
Agreed, but a mass claim will make POE much easier. It could make it possible to town confirm players. If the scum claims in the middle of the popcorn, it could get him lynched.
Have you considered the alternative I’ve put forth. Make Speed claim cause he knows the role of another person? That inherently should confirm him and the secondary player cause the options are TP, Town, or Town Town
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@SirAnonymous
Agreed, but a mass claim will make POE much easier. It could make it possible to town confirm players.
Not necessarily
If the scum claims in the middle of the popcorn, it could get him lynched.
He’d have the time to fake claim just like at the end. Either way the last person would be FOS
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@SirAnonymous
<br>Popcorning makes that a lot more difficult for the scum to do, though. The odds that they would be picked last are only 1/6.
You’re not factoring that even if scum is chosen I’m the middle that their fake claim saves their ass. Otherwise it’s like a normal mass claim, the last person is inherently FOS for the rest of the game
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@SirAnonymous
Popcorning makes that a lot more difficult for the scum to do, though. The odds that they would be picked last are only 1/6.
The last person still would be FOS. Plus considering time constraints like school for me, I won’t have time to claim till the very end.
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@Zaradi
Are we still talking about a potential protective role outting themselves or you and Speed's role PMs? My rejection of people getting town confirmed was addressed to the former.
I’m referring to Speed’s and my role PMs. The former, I agree still has a slight suspicion
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@Zaradi
The idea behind the person who's last to claim is inherently more suspicious is because they've had the most time to gather info off of other people's claims to come up with a good fake-claim, which makes it hard to believe them, even if scum was earlier in the queue of people to claim.
+1
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@Zaradi
I don't see how it would confirm two people. At best it confirms one person, but even that I'd hesitate to say is "confirmation". And coming out here just paints them as a target for the next NP.
A town player would not be given the name of the mafia
Mafia already know who town are.
Town town, town TP or TP town are significantly more likely.
Plus was supposedly given a role two which increases the risk factor for him
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@Lunatic
<br>We could popcorn it. The person who claims gets to choose who claims next, and so on and so forth. So it would be out of scums hands
Still through chance. I think we should put this idea on the hopper and expand on the person Drafter game to me and the person and role Drafter supposedly gave to Speed.
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@Zaradi
Why would a person who successfully protected the NK out themselves here in DP1?
Town confirms two people. And with the info I have and Speed supposedly has we can conduct a POE
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@SirAnonymous
Only people smart enough to waive are Lunatic and ZaraMy instinct is to agree with you that the mafia wouldn't deliberately waive a chance to NK. However, if they did NK, that means someone protected someone else but isn't saying who, which makes no sense. The other option is a roleblocker, but that would still be town concealing info for no reason. I do see two ways out of the conundrum.
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@Lunatic
How would you all feel about a mass claim?
I’d be open to it, but the last people to claim are inherently suspicious if we do
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@Zaradi
I can see a few potential reasons to want to waive it,
Can you please elaborate?
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@Zaradi
No incentive to waive their NK?
Affirmative. Could just be my personal opinion tho cause I’ve never played any night start games.
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@Speedrace
PLEASE DON'T LYNCH ME FOR THIS but for the third time (in a row?) my role tells me one of the roles in the game
So you have the name of another person and their role?
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I will state that my role PM states the name of another person which allows them to be town confirmed if mafia does kill me. I will try to hint as to who it is, as I see fit for later use.
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@Lunatic
@Zaradi
What do we think about there not being an NK?
I highly doubt it was inactivity, so either mafia must have waived (no incentive in my opinion) or there’s some role that prevents NKs from occurring in which case they can be autotown confirmed in the following DPs
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@drafterman
Plurality lynching is not in effect correct?
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VTL PressF
For fluff at beginning about Supa. Could be forced.
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@drafterman
Point of Order:
Does the DP end if the vote is 3-3?
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@Zaradi
Glad to have you back!
UNVOTE
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VTL Zaradi
Please explain your proficiency in mafia and if you’ve had previous experiences anywhere
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@warren42
Starts next Monday. Days are 36 hours, nights are 12.
Oof, that’s hell week for me with college stuff, sorry bud.
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@Greyparrot
Maybe they can since town is so incredibly weak in this setup.
Only god knows
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@WaterPhoenix
Doctors are no doubt going to heal themselves so we don't need them.
I doubt they’ll be allowed to do that
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@Discipulus_Didicit
No. Lynch either someone that is suspected of being a serial killer or someone that advocates a pro-SK VTNL strategy.
This everyone but you, me, and Drafter I think.
Why on Earth would we random lynch in this situation?
With us three eliminated we can effectively eliminate an SK killing ability.
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@AvoidDeath
If you're a survivor, then you should probably VTNL, cause aiming for the SK in DP1 would backfire on you in almost all cases. I'm still suspicious of you.
If you’re a survivor you vote for anyone but yourself lmao
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Okay I have decided to adjust my strategy slightly in light of Mharmans answer to me. Rather than trying to not piss off the mafia or SKs I am going to follow what everyone else seems to be doing and be openly anti-SK. This is because I now know that the SK knows who their targets are, meaning they are unlikely to shoot me just for being against them and will probably instead shoot their targets (which might be me, but that is also a risk I take by not being anti-SK).I still want to lynch today. VTNLing is, as others have said, extremely pro-SK.
I’d say Policy is an inactive, what say you?
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@drafterman
An SK loses if we lynch them. That's 1-in-12.There are two, so that's 1-in-6 of lynching an SK out right.An SK also loses if we lynch one of their targets. Each SK has two targets. So a 1-in-6 chance of lynching one of an SK's target.Two SK's so that's a 1-in-3 change of lynching an SK target.Combined, that's a 1-in-2 chance of lynching either an SK or one of their targets and voiding their win-con. Which, as the mod says, eliminates their ability to kill which helps everyone in the long run.
I like this, but as a survivor, I’ll take my chances
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@drafterman
They're unlikely to stop anyone
Chances increase with Mafia Busdriver
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@drafterman
My understanding is that the Survivors don't win or lose as a team, you win or lose individually. Survivors have no incentive to protect or kill any other survivor unless they pose a threat. I would say that deliberately going after the protective roles and siding with the killing roles puts all survivors in danger.
+1
The problem here is that survivors aren’t affiliated with town, mafia, nor SK, yet they outnumber all of them. Early game it’s impossible to tell but any and all text will likely be used to distort the characterizations based on which side each survivor thinks will win the game.
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@SirAnonymous
He was right for the wrong reasons, but it wouldn’t save us simply because we got lynched for the wrong reasons.
Not really, I caught y’all through slips y’all made. You make seem like they were minuscule and stupid, but that’s what one has to observe and pay attention to
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@Lunatic
Game would have been dead silent without usis though.
Ya but town confusion would be removed and objectivity would be returned to the game
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@Lunatic
Game probably would’ve been better if both you and Drafter died.
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@Greyparrot
This is why we needed to POE luna early. Town leaving him alive EVEN THOUGH he was town lead to a series of mislynches.
+1
If I was alive NP2 my shot would’ve been confirmed for Lunatic especially after the Supa revelation
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@Lunatic
I would have liked to as well. But dp3 and up the lynch was either me or whoever I could try and convince others on to. I was stuck in a rock and a hard place because of drafter wylted and gp train.
I feel ya lol. It’s whatever, just a game lmao
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@Lunatic
Tunnel train didnt help but that's the mafia roster we have these days. No one else knows how to lead an alternative lynch lmao.
I would’ve wanted you to analyze interactions between people that died in NP and the two dead mafia and used that to connect the dots to the third scum. Tunneling definitely harmed town tho
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@Vader
Your reads were correct. Too bad you died man. That’s life. If I got lynched by you DP2 due to the fact you were a leading lyncher
All part of the game. It was painful watching town get derailed but there was nothing I could do. After the Drafter and Wylted fights I gave up and went on with my life lol
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@Vader
We thought you were a power role and we know Wylted was bluffing his vig, so we chose someone unclaimed. Pure luck
Worked out well for y’all lmao. I had 2/3 of y’all down so I’ll take it. Wasn’t my fault town lost 🤷🏼♂️
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@SirAnonymous
Well, we shot you first, so it wouldn't have mattered.
I’m curious as to what y’all reasoning behind that was
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@Vader
<br>I would have survived if I didn’t scum slip but again, I am stupid
If y’all left me alive I would’ve shot you lmao. Why’d y’all choose to kill me?
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@Vader
I hope town is proud of how fucking stupid you guys are. You let Speed just outwit the entire town because you kept bitching and rushed to lynched. Fucking pathetic town play
Agreed
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@Vader
I was gonna shoot you but I gave you the benefit of the doubt even though you were my top scumread
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