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A subpoena is already a legally binding order. The idea that once you receive a legally binding order and then you can just refuse to comply is insane. If you do that once when something seems odd, that would be one thing. When you order everyone to refuse every subpoena, that undermines the entire political system. It is an obvious stall tactic to prevent congress from doing it's constitutionally required job.    

There literally is.

It is within the rights of a defendant to order the witnesses to his crimes not to testify? You have a very strange opinion of how this is supposed to work. If the president really did have the power to prevent witnesses testifying to his crime he would be immune from criminal prosecution, he would be immune from being investigated by congress. He would be entirely above the law as no one would have the power to investigate him. That is a king. 

The difference is what they are "accused" of. Nick looked like he was triggering violence at a protest. I agree that wasn't the case, but it looked like it was. Greta has never been accused of anything at all. She peacefully calls for action to save the world. The attacks against her are mostly personal when she hasn't done anything and everyone knows that. 

The difference is when the left found out nick didn't do anything wrong they stopped. The right knows Greta hasn't done anything wrong and they still keep on attacking. 

It's not just the president that gets these protections against an abusive Congress, ordinary people get them too.

He is preventing witnesses from testifying about his crimes. 

umm what? One of the main purposes of congress is to act as a check on the executive branch. If the president can simply refuse to let them investigate then they cannot possibly act as that check. That combined with the justice department being told they can't charge him with a crime would make him completely immune from any repercussion of criminality, IE a king. 

They cannot use foreign governments to do so. If they want to get the FBI to investigate that would be normal. Getting a foreign government to do it is a crime. 

This would mean that Pie is town and is actually a bleeder and will die at the end of this round

I would rather shoot Pie. I'd rather get my strongest read out of the way

Pie - Said Press was being contradictory when he wasn't? Also hasn't posted reads yet, and somehow isn't considering the read on Ragnar?

PM'd Virt on Discord. Said that if Vig gets kill even if he is targetted

VTL Pie

Contextually, Press was answering a question from a noob (me) in #84, so I wouldn't get too hung up on the contradiction. Someone can explain game theory, and disagree with using it.

I was Mafia that game, and when not all Mafia members even joined the scum chat, it's a problem.

we seem to be assuming that he made some kind of rookie mistake by outing as vig but my read of speed is that he is much smarter and more careful than that kind of move.  I strongly doubt that speed is vig but that does not inform the question of scum.

ive got my vote down, lets lynch rag today and continue activity tomorrow.

I wish greyparrot would just admit that he is scum so we could move on to NP.

What are the benefits of random lynching?

If we lynch randomly, then the odds of hitting scum will be (at most) 40%.

Doesn't seem like a good strategy at all from an analytical perspective. 

Can you explain why we should random lynch?

That said I still think he's scum

Why not both?

It's confirmed that there is a vig, so no, he could theoretically lying and we still have two deaths.

Why isn’t last to show sufficiently random?

Well I guess we should lunch Water because he hasn’t gotten a chance to be online during this game. 

Yes. Though I'm always in favor of D1 lynches.

Granted, the last game I played (and only forum game) had a lot of MIA scum.

Any feedback on post #212?

VTL Speed

Speed is smart man. There is NO WAY in hell that any scum partner would let him get away with that if he was a noob. Speed can't be that idiotic and claim only town power role on the FIRST DP!

My guess this is a noob and pro team, meaning that Speedrace and Ragnar could easily be on a team. 

Yeah I think Lunatic was getting paranoid or something. I dunno.

If you were the vig, would you forfeit your kill NP1?

Thoughts on Ragnar wanting to sincerely lynch the person who posts lasts?

I have never seen anyone say any crime that Joe or Hunter could have committed.

There simply is no evidence that they did. But if they had, the legal way to proceed would be to get the FBI or congress to investigate. Asking the president of Ukraine to do it is a crime. 

The problem is the profit motive. If trump had asked about some random person he had no benefit to investigating, then that would not breach election laws. But because he did stand to directly benefit from it, it is illegal. It could still break the other laws he is guilty of breaking though. 

Of course not. that is what law enforcement agencies are for. Trump chose not to do that though, so he broke the law. 

And they did exactly what they were supposed to. they asked the FBI to investigate. If trump had done that we wouldn't be having this conversation. Instead he went and committed some crimes by trying to get the Ukrainians to smear his political rival. 

"There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me."

He explicitly asks him to look into biden and his son. That is asking for dirt.