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Aight gentlemen, normally I don’t claim this early but my role entails that I do. I am Rian and I am the miller. It says I was framed for the murder of my lover even though I witnessed someone else do it. I win with the town.
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@Greyparrot
Damn rip. I was gonna ask you bout the Louisiana Governors Election today.
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@Lunatic
Higly doubt it considering it’s been up for days and the game ended as well so people are freelancing
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I’m surprised Supa wasn’t lynched after he was outted lol
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@Wylted
I was screaming that in my head. He should’ve died the second he said he didn’t receive my message
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@Greyparrot
Ive been saying it. He’s one of us. Says what’s on his mind. Number 1 thing I love about him. Something I can definitely relate to
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@Greyparrot
Oh Hilary would be a blessing. Progressives wouldn’t support her and moderates hate her. Win win scenario
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@Greyparrot
What do you think about rumors saying Hillary’s gonna get in?
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@HistoryBuff
Even if that were true, so what? Everything in the whistleblower complaint has already been confirmed by the white house. Even if that information was 2nd hand, it all turned out to be true so what does it matter?
He claimed there was quid pro quo, and according to the released document there wasn’t. White House has not confirmed quid pro quo. And if you think “I’m concerend about Biden and the DNC cause Durham is looking into it, maybe you could look into this” is asking for political help and quid pro quo, we merely have a difference of opinion on semantics
That is unclear still. We don't know what trump said in that call because we don't have a transcript yet. There were also other calls made to ukranian officials before trump's call. Even if trump didn't say it personally, it is entirely possible he had one of his lackies make clear to them in a separate call that they needed to do Trump a favor to get their money.
Oh so now Trump told someone to do it. This conspiracy theory and based on zero fact. You’re putting up a bunch of what if questions that are not grounded in any type of fact whatsoever. Anyone can say “oh I think so and so said this and that” but the burden of proof is on you to prove it did happen and until then the status quo is supreme.
This has nothing to do with the topic at all. It is also a conspiracy theory that has no basis in reality.
So you deny the fact that Trump was being watched and the fact that the warrants were funded by the DNC fo do that? There’s congressional testimony to the contrary. Stop listening to CNN and look at the objective facts.
You would hope so. But then why did trump withhold the money? This also relies on the republicans actually siding with Ukraine over trump. If trump decided he didn't want to give them the money, he would find some loophole to withhold it. And even if he couldn't stop the money forever, he could make sure the republicans never passed anything else to help Ukraine. Crossing trump could cost him american support for the remainder of Trump's term, which would be a big thing to lose. He has motive to stay on trump's good side, and nothing to gain by crossing him.
I answered this question earlier and so did Trump. The government changed so a review was being done to ensure the money would be used wisely and not given to someone who shouldn’t have it. And once again you come up with what ifs. The fact is you think Zelensky is lying and there’s no objective way to prove that. Your analysis lies a assumptions and what ifs, not facts.
No one. Biden didn't make the decision. It was a policy supported by the EU, the UN, the UK, oh and it had bipartisan support from both democrats and republicans in the US. Biden was just the one that actually went to Ukraine and carried it out. It wasn't Biden's idea and he didn't make the decision.
Have you even watched the video. He was boasting about how HE got this done. And once again, neither the US, nor the U.N., nor the UK have any authority in matters of Ukraine. If this were the case it would be a gross violation of the sovereignty of a nation. You can say, oh he should be fired. That’s an opinion grounded in possible fact. But you can’t withhold aid and demand they stop investigation (they did, the investigation wasn’t restarted)
He literally cannot be charged or convicted while he is in office. There are likely charges pending for him when he leaves office though.
Yes, he can be charged via Impeachment and convicted by the jury in the Senate followed by criminal prosecution after removal.
1) they have. The impeachment has already started. that is what this topic is about.2) The reason it took so long is that Pelosi was afraid that impeaching trump might have a political cost and she is a coward.
1) No they haven’t. There has not been an official Impeachment vote in the House. This is an impeachment inquiry, short for we don’t know anything and it’s possible this could be a Nothing burger but to please out base we’re going to do it
2) Pelosi is a coward. She knows Democrats are done if they vote for impeachment because this won’t go well for them back home in the districts of moderate Dems.
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@Greyparrot
Bernie claimed breadlines were great. REEEEEE
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@HistoryBuff
The whistleblower allegation is also second hand yet you choose to believe him over two first hand sources.
1) Its a compiled account of various people, one of them not being the whistleblower.
2) This is false, Zelensky didn’t even know aid was under administrative review
3) This is part of the Durham investigation into the origins of the Russia Investigation which has roots in the Ukraine with the DNC email server as well. Remember when Trump claimed he was wiretapped? Turns out y’all were wrong and he was. If this doesn’t strike you as an abuse of power by the Obama Administration to help the Clinton’s you’re selectively tuning out corruption in the government. There’s a plethora of evidence that shows the FISA warrants used to obtain the warrant were funded by the DNC.
Zelensky has nothing to lose. He’d get the aid no matter what cause the matter lies in the hands of Congress not the President. Constitution 101
Who is Biden to judge whether the prosecuter is corrupt or not. He has no right to influence politics and justicial sovereignty of Ukraine. He withheld funds cause he thought he was in charge and had something the Ukrainians wanted which is a clear abuse of power. As for the investigation being continued, this is blatantly false.
You think Trump has committed a crime. He hasn’t been convicted of a crime. If Democrats believed they have Trump they would’ve impeached him by now, but Pelosi refuses to. Why?
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@HistoryBuff
If you actually cared about that you would support warren or Sanders. But I doubt that you actually do. You would just like to deflect from the fact that you support a criminal.
He ain’t a criminal. If he was Democrats would’ve impeached by now. Socialism is a cancer, hope you know that.
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@Greyparrot
It doesn’t matter. 40% of the electorate will support Trump no matter what. This whole whistleblower stuff stinks of a Democratic hitjob after their failed Russia investigation. It just serves as fuel for Trump and his base.
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@HistoryBuff
Im confused, they’re impeaching over a crime that did not occur. You and I both read the transcript, there’s no quid pro quo. Zelensky has said on multiple occasions he was never pressured. Meanwhile Joe Biden is on tape praising the fact that he got a prosecuter who was looking into his son’s company fired by refusing aid to the Ukraine. It’s a double standard nothing burger. And the fact that Schiff’s staff talked to the whistleblower beforehand is extremely suspicious. Even the IG said there was a place on the form where it said to disclose congressional contact but it was left blank. Gets you thinking doesn’t it?
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@oromagi
You are also welcome to ask and the more obligated but fine.... Grey?So do I understand we now have 3 reports of letters- at least two of which were misdelivered.How many letters have you sent? Do you have any evidence that any of the letter got where they belonged?
None of the letters were misdelivered. If you look back at the DP, the people that have said they’ve gotten a letter are Drafterman, Warren, and Greyparrot. They all got their letters. One was to Supa. The last, I’ll let the person reveal. If it was misdirected, someone would say they’ve gotten a message. Again Greyparrot knows who the messages were sent to since he was my top town read and he still is.
Drafter, Warren, and Greyparrot were correct. Only Supa’s was misdirected according to him. Coincidentally he’s also PGO. His only defense is that it was redirected, which hasn’t proven to be the case yet since no one has confessed.
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@Greyparrot
@Barney
@oromagi
Update: Speed said it doesn’t count as a visit, but I asked if my letters were delivered and the answer was yes, hence Supa is lying - again Greyparrot can corroborate this.
Now, if I’m lying, I’m scum, and if you lynch me, you’ll realize that I am not scum and hence I was not lying, therefore Supa is scum
OR
Supa is scum.
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@oromagi
valid. altho irrelevant if Sup genuinely did not receive.
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What did the message say so we can see if somebody else received it?
Line from Blues Clues. Mailtime.
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@oromagi
What are you asking speed?
If when I send messages, I visit the person. But at this point it’s irrelevant cause Supa claims I never sent him something, even though I did. In fact, I even told one person I sent a message to everyone I was sending something to. That person is Greyparrot. You’re welcome to ask him.
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@A-R-O-S-E
We can deal with Supa later
So you don’t want to lynch a confirmed scum?
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@Vader
i never got a message from you...
I sent you something....specifically a line from Blue’s Clues.
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@Vader
i never got a message? Wtf
Lmao, really? Dw I can corroborate the fact I did send you something.
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@oromagi
also- what are you asking of Speed?
I’m asking if I actually visit him, cause I have to relay my message to Speed and then he sends it to the person of my choosing. So I’m looking for clarification.
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@oromagi
good news. I hate Supa's claim. Why would that keep us from lynching Wylted now?
I think I’d be painfully obvious and a 100% chance to hit scum if we lynch Supa. Wylted is not 100% for me.
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@oromagi
we need a lot more explanation than just "please don't" ATM, you are dropping in the polls
I think Supa is lying. If he was PGO, I’d be dead since I delivered mail to his doorstep.
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Hold Up guys, I may have something going. I need Speed to answer a question. Please do not lynch.
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@Greyparrot
@drafterman
@warren42
@oromagi
I think we should put AROUSE behind Drafter. It should once and for all resolve the issue plaguing town due to mod influence. If he lives then we can start forming a town block and POE.
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Just to clarify. I have to send the messages to the mod and the mod relays them.I’m town. Full Claim: Stan Lee. I’m the writer. I can send up to 5 messages to anyone in the NP - which I did - not gonna day to whom and how many out of the five I chose to sent.
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@A-R-O-S-E
That's verifyable AF, pick 2 dudes everyone trusts to send to, and use the other 3 however?
Or not use them at all. I have the option to waive.
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@drafterman
I got a message about being someone's top town read and that instructions would follow. The message said not to reveal this until the message giver died and people asked for it.
Hello there!
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@oromagi
will you hide Pie for the reasons stated above?
I’m town. Full Claim: Stan Lee. I’m the writer. I can send up to 5 messages to anyone in the NP - which I did - not gonna day to whom and how many out of the five I chose to sent.
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@oromagi
The only figure that meets this claim is Stan Lee.I don't really buy this claim
This is correct. I am Stan Lee.
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@drafterman
Cog flipped scum. Does nobody read anything?
We get the point, now,your thoughts please
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@A-R-O-S-E
He busy ATM?
It’s possible, but I’d still like to pressure him.
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@Greyparrot
@drafterman
@warren42
@oromagi
I find this post concerning from Supa after Cog flipped town. He says inactives are Null, but Cog was inactive and he’s at the top of the town list.
Thoughts?
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@Greyparrot
@drafterman
@warren42
@oromagi
I think we should ask Ragnar for a full claim since he’s being implicated. He was decently active last DP, idk why he’s not doing the same this DP.
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@oromagi
Ragnar can confirm that he dropped in on you
Do you think Ragnar should full claim?
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@WaterPhoenix
For the good of the town, I shall full claim. I am Heimdall, am a watcher, and win with town. I watched you last night a-r-o-s-e (I picked you by chance) and ragnar targeted you. I thought it was nothing, but then I thought, arose wasn't playing like scum. And so wanted to get a lynch on ragnar if no one cause we needed a lynch. But then you came along and were all like "I can block nks" so I think you blocked yourself. If you confirm you blocked yourself then we can get rid of ragnar as he was likely mafia trying to go for a nk.
This could work two ways: you’re either a scum watcher who saw that happening and wants to mislead the town or you are two watcher and being genuine. I don’t know which it is at the moment,,but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt.
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@oromagi
why can't you say? What can you say?Ragnar's pretty high on my town reads, has been more active than you and has provided town with more info than you....why should I suspect Ragnar more than you?
+1
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@warren42
What are your thoughts on Grey? Also, vote drafter.
Grey is my top townread actually. I got a message saying “Greyparrot is Aunt May.” Additionally, in terms of balance a vote giver is cancelled out by the governor so Grey is my top townread atm. I’m still reading the DP so I’ll refrain from voting until I finish responding/reading.
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@Greyparrot
Okay just so you guys know I gave Ragnar an extra vote last night because I don't trust the rest of you stinky mofos.
Racist.
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@warren42
Ok so drafter is confirmed scum then.VTL Drafterman
He should be unless mod contradicts this.
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