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@drafterman
I'm not getting a scum read from Arose, either.
Can you please elaborate?
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@Lunatic
Dude if I am being honest, I don't know how to read wylted. That just seems like something he would say. It would be scummy if anyone else said it, but wylted plays this way a lot. Says kind of outlandish things for a reaction.
I agree, Wylted is hard to read. I think we leave it alone for now and reassess with more information about balance and the theme.
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@Lunatic
How do you feel about Wylted’s Claim of being or not being a vigilante? Method to get shot or method to out a possible vigilante?
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@Lunatic
That post you linked if anything is more damning. He claimed he would gambit, no such gambit has occurred.
That was from sign ups.
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@Wylted
I thought arose was scum since page 2 so also down for that SA seems phony as fuck though. Maybe it is just their personality
How do feel about Supa?
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@Vader
He stated he was not interested in mafia unless he did his role thingy he did. That definetly dettered him from being active.
Can you show me the post where he said that?
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@Lunatic
I felt similar about oromagi as well. He's posting but I don't know if it's crazy useful. And if you call him out on his activity he gets super defensive and omgusy lol, even though my read list listed several other players as inactive at the time.
Oro is levi_smiles from DDO and I remember where he was a popular mafia and chilled the entire DP lol
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@Vader
His gambit where he hides his character and role is what he does as town. That is my presumption since I for one do not know his scum play
His inactivity is the question....
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@Lunatic
What are your thoughts on an A-R-O-S-E lynch, and if not what are your objections or observations of town play from him, outside his character claim?
He’s Null to lean scum for me due to inactivity especially this far into the DP, but I see your point. I don’t think I’ve seen him be scum yet. I think he is fairly active as town tho when he was the Hider and last DP with the gambit. Oro is also one of these people as I mentioned earlier I think. As scum he’s a heavy lurker but last game he was cop and was lurking too. I’d be willing to pressure him an possibly lynch him if we can get the numbers. I’m only on SA by proxy...
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@Lunatic
I know policy DP1 lynch culture is another stereotype that has accrued. It, like the LAL policy, I think got a bit warped. Lynching is preferred to no lynching, sure, but I would argue no lynching is preferred to mis-lynching. And let's face it, the case on SirAnonymous is pretty darn weak. I think the biggest argument is that his claim seems "kinda weak". I thought so too at first but as I've thought about it, I don't really see mafia letting him use a claim like that. They also would have advised him to wait until claiming and not caving in to 1 vote. Unless the other mafia was equally as nooby, but considering some of the noobier players are gunning for the lynch, I just don't think SA is mafia.
Depends on who’s mafia and if they were on or not during the pressure.
I don't have an alternative for you however. I have some scummy gut feelings but I don't have evidence to support them.As far as getting info, I don't really see how lynching SA is going to give us much of that. We will learn what? That the mod included a character in that only appeared in a few episodes? How does that information help us? We will get information from a flip from the mafia night kill. This lynch feels lazy and I'd rather VTNL than lynch SA if we are feeling pressured to end the DP
The SA + probably NK will give us info with regards to character justification which is a problem that came up in the DP. A third kill is possible if Wylted is actually a vig and shoots someone. Essentially it sets a trend and allows us to delve into theme analysis along with behavioral analysis. It’s harder for mafia to fake claim characters that fit the theme and allows for more miscues. After we find one, we reread the DPs and go from there.
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@Lunatic
Im not either, but derailing this for someone else is a long shot and I’d prefer if we have some info going into tomorrow rather than starting at square one again
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I think we are at the end of this DP. School has started once again for me and college apps are like due this Friday. I’ll check in as often as I can, but for now
VTL SA
We need information for tomorrow.
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@Vader
I then said SA and GP could be a team since they have not talked much with each other and GP seems to be targeting me vs SA who is a scum
You did not say that.
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@Vader
yes...cause he has done that in the past. probably to distract scum from targetting him
Link please?
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@Vader
I said two options can happen..., I leaned A at the time
Ok that’s fine. What made you change your mind in a matter of two posts ?
I said I could see the scum team bc GP is mildly avoiding SA this game and keeping his vote on him
No you did not.
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@Lunatic
@Greyparrot
@drafterman
@Vader
@oromagi
No. Those posts were for PressF. I said Dwight, cop is more believable to Jim, vanilla....whats unclear?
Post 188 by Supa: “Dwight Schute at cop makes more sense than Jim at Vanilla.
That means GP is a power role and hiding it or he is scum, I’m leaning A”
Post 190 by Supa: “I could see a Sir and GP scum, I’ll give more reads tmrw”
A complete 180 with regards to GP in two posts.
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@Vader
You haven't been reading up if you don't see my lean scum on GP
That’s not what you said. You said GP was town and then two posts later you said he’s scum. Then I ask you what made you change your mind in 2 posts and you say the shh thing which is non existence to begin with and even if it was there you said it’s with regards to PressF not GP.
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@Vader
It was PressF not GP
You flip flopped on GP not Press 🤦🏻♂️
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@Speedrace
I can't tell you that without claiming lol
Then it’s not a balance issue lol. And you’re phishing for his real claim
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@Speedrace
I explicitly stated (I think I can't remember) that it's not a CC. I know for a fact that I explicitly stated that everything I said was specifically because of balance1. The first thing I said was that my role may prove that Press is lying about being a cop. To clarify that, it is ONLY because of balance, so I could be wrong about it2. My role would corroborate him not being a cop, but again because of balance
But at the same time you claim to not be an investigative role. How does balance factor in if you’re not an Investigstive role?
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@Vader
180 and 182
How are these at all related to GP being scum or not?
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@SirAnonymous
Can you condense your main scumreads into one post, or are you still catching up with the thread?
I’ll do better, I’ll give my reads
Scum
Supa - he’s being hypocritical in his analysis and straight up lying while advocating for LaL
Lean Scum
Speedrace - I don’t like his push for Press to revea what he really is since the push is inherently pro-scum since they want to know whether it’s a gambit of some sorts or an actual role
SirAnonymous - this is more of a concurrence reading since I don’t know much about the show. Behaviorally, I can see him research fake claims as well along with the justification.
Airmax1227 - inactivity and random character claim. Don’t really like the latter since it was unnecessary (weakest scum read however do to soft claim)
Null
drafterman - He’s been contributing but I still have to to analyze behavior on an individual basis. Rating bound to change in future
Oromagi - not much too go on. His scumplay involves lurking so down the stretch if this continues I’d be concerned.
Greyparrot - he’s being himself. Hard to do objective analysis cause his play is random.
WaterPhoenix - inactive for the most part. Don’t like his willingness to lynch someone who he thinks is town tho. Rating may change with more info
Wylted - inactive ; ploy could be an attempt to get a real vig if he exists to reveal themselves.
Lean Town
PressF - no reason for him to commit to a gambit without reason
Lunatic - very active and thoughtfulness shown through reads and analysis
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@Vader
I literally react to posts what I see first. I may post something about a read I make in post 88. I am reactionary. Whatever I see that's fishy I post. Then I saw the post, and then come to 190
Ok, which post was a reaction to which?
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@WaterPhoenix
huh
You think SA will be a mislynch, so either you’re scum or don’t know what you’re saying
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@Vader
This is me Pie, not fucking drafter
Wtf is this supposed to mean?
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@WaterPhoenix
All right I'm more or less caught up, and I feel that we can afford a mislynch here, so...VTL Sir
I don’t like this. You never vote for someone you think is town,
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@Lunatic
I'd like to hear more from airmax and pie about the SA wagon. They are both great mafia players and I trust their judgements. Also would like to see if they have picked up any good leads. I respect drafters opinion too, but he seems like he also might be sold on the SA lynch.
Haven’t watched Office so I don’t know for sure. But based on numbers I’m comfident there are is at least one mafia on the wagon right now. There are like 4-5 who said AJ makes no sense and they can’t all be mafia so I’m inclined to believe them. I’d say he’s a safe Policy, I’m looking more into behavior rn
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@Vader
yes indeed cause i misread and skim then post whenever i see something
You really expect me to believe that?
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@Wylted
The only thing speed could be, that would justify him thinking he was doing a partial CC is cop, is an investigative role. If he is pretending like he is PGO or something and that he was intelligent enough to pick up on Press's gambit, I am calling him a liar. I may or may not be vig, and if I am, I will prove he is full of shit about being any of those things by vigging his ass tonight, If I am vig. WHich I am not claiming to be
Racist....
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@Vader
After he revealed something about the role, I realized it was something else, but the theming for role goes well
And you realized that in 2 posts and didn’t justify it at all?
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@Lunatic
So we have a possible CC and you don’t want to lynch in that CC? I’m not a fan.I'd rather you not. We have enough claims this DP and my read on you was very minor. It's probably lessened seeing that you are willing to claim anyway. Plus I think I have a good guess at what you could be anyway. Let's move on.
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@Wylted
So you know he is trying to bait the NK, but you not only go out of your way to draw attention to the fact he is baiting the NK, but you also tell everyone you have an investigative role. WHat is wrong with you.Also, press. Next time you are PGO or Bomb, just claim miller
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@Speedrace
That's under the assumption that mafia is dumb lol, but they're not.
How do you know this?
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@Speedrace
Actually lol I just realized my role actually kind of confirms Press if he is lying. Hmm, never mindUNVOTE
Please explain.
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@Speedrace
Not lynching him, but pressuring him to reveal his gambit. I would remove my vote if there was an actual bandwagon on him...
This is stupid. If you have a legitimate counter claim then say it. Other we lynch you cause you’re lying.
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@Lunatic
Do you think we should policy lynch Press if he is lying or are you merely defending the idea of policy lynches unrelated?
We don’t know if he’s lying...
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@Speedrace
My role makes me believe that Press is lying...although that should be obvious. I say pressure Press to reveal his true claim.
So you’re CCing him?
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@drafterman
My PM has absolutely no justification linking character and role. Pushing for justification is mildly scummy in this setup.
This is an interesting development.
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@Lunatic
@Greyparrot
@drafterman
@Vader
I could see a Sir and GP scum, I’ll give more reads tmrw
This is post 190 and goes directly against what he said in post 188
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@Lunatic
GreyParrot claims like that whether he is town or scum. Not the best strategy but that's just how he do.
I second this
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@Lunatic
@drafterman
@Vader
@oromagi
I have not watched the show either. All of y’all cannot be scum, so I’m inclined to believe the AJ Claim is suspicious. I’d say he’s a safe Policy at this point barring any further complications or information.
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