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@Imabench
Hes more popular in swing states than on Election Day 2016. He just has to keep his opponent’s margin low now which will,be easy.
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I’m 12x Vig and 12x Deathproof and this game is wack
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How about we just petition to end this game till he makes a better on
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@Pinkfreud08
Not backed up by statistical data at all, according to this source 55 % of Americans wish to abolish the electoral college.
It doesn’t matter, it won’t be ratified by the states. 22 states have Republican trifectas and 14 are Solid Republican States - WV, SC, AL, MS, LA, AR, TN, MO, NE, SD, ND, WY, ID, UT. (You need 38 states to ratify).
Your statistics are misleading.
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@Greyparrot
Electoral abolishment via constitutional change will never make it through the Senate for obvious reasons.
Forget about the Senate, it’ll never be ratified by 3/4 of the states.
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@Pinkfreud08
Lumping two liberal states, a swing state, and a Republican stronghold together and acting as if any voter would appeal to all 4 states completely is a false analogy.
That’s besides the point. The point is that states with higher populations will be targeted while smaller states with smaller populations will be left unattended. It’s merely a coincidence that a majority of smaller states vote GOP right?
Depends when it happens, 3 years isn't enough however if Trump does get re-elected it'll likely happen sometime during his second term if it does happen.This is too vague of a scenario however and Obama's policies have been policies that pulled the United States out of the great recession in the first place as Obama made our GDP go from -2.5 % at the start of his presidency to 4.2 % by the end of his second term. Therefore it's unlikely this is going to be happening.If a recession happened let's say tomorrow for instance than most likely it would be Obama's fault as it hasn't been long enough to determine the merit of the Trump economy. Although it does depend on the specifics of the recession.
You and I both know that the media will blame Trump no matter when it happens, so you can cut the bs. Attributing the economy to Obama is ridiculous. Stocks surged massively after Trump was elected, not before.
You do understand that California and New York don't equate to the majority of the country right? Especially considering that while these states are by far liberal strongholds, they do have a chunk of republicans in these states.While the popular vote system isn't perfect, it's better than the electoral college as at least votes aren't silenced based on location and certain states which don't represent the majority of the country aren't given absurd power.
Whats concerning is that these two states accounted for 1/5 of Hillary Clinton’s popular vote. It was a 65-30 voting line. Plus there are significantly more registered Democrats in both states. If anything the popular vote silences votes. Why tf would I travel 20 miles to vote in North Dakota if some coastal elite is going to decide my fate anyways. Smaller states inherently lose say in the election process. Furthermore with the popular vote, you are bringing the tyranny of the majority onto the minority. 50% and one shouldn’t determine the winner. A combined set of demographics should which is only possible with an electoral college.
Ok, and it isn't broken when it benefits you.What's your point?
Republicans have never called for the EC to be abolished even when it doesn’t benefit them. Democrats on the other hand have. The fact is we are a constitutional republic. Direct vote was never intended as a method to achieve the Presidency by the founding fathers. Since the big states would more than nullify the votes of smaller states due to shear size.
Care to elaborate? And even if you want to completely ignore approval ratings, you can't ignore that Trump didn't win the popular vote and thus didn't appeal to the majority of voters.
Yes. Trump won Wisconsin by 0.7 but it was predicted to go to Hillary by 6.5. Win MI and PA by 5 and 2 respectively. Trump won them all. Trump supporters like myself clearly don’t tell pollsters we’re voting for Trump but in Election Day we come out. That’s why we’re a part of the silent majority.
Your argument lies upon the basis that the country should act upon the will of the majority which is not how the Founding Fathers approached it. Madison specifically wrote that he wanted to prevent both the majority and minority from having total power. The EC serves as a check and second opinion. If the popular sentiment is true then the EC will go to the majority. However, if there is genuine concern about the tyranny of the majority, the minority will organize in response and have a shot at victory as well.
Considering that the data I provided previously also cited disapproval ratings being significantly higher than approval ratings, this doesn't make sense what so ever.You also haven't proved that people hate him as a person but agree with his politics.
I can point you to Mitch McConnell, the Senate Majority Leader. In 2012 during his re-election his approval was 37-55. But he ended up winning by 10 against Alison Lundergren Grimes. Approval rating don’t mean anything and are likely false based on what I said above. Mitch McConnell has worse approvals than Trump but was easily re-elected. Voters don’t care about liking the candidate, they vote based on policy. And remember the majority doesn’t have to like him. As long as a sufficient minority does, then he’ll win. Majority doesn’t always equal victory in the US, it’s the way the Founders framed the Constitution.
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@bmdrocks21
It was unintentional and mod didn’t state rules. We knew cause we’ve been playing for a while. Try to be active if you can. If not then you can opt out, but I know I speak for the mafia community when I say we would love to have you continue playing.
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@Greyparrot
Democrats are racist. It’s cause Trump is white that they blame him.
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@Pinkfreud08
Considering that Clinton won the popular vote and support from the majority of the country, voters agreed that Obama did a fine job as president.
You mean liberals in California and New York?
Considering that Obama inherited the worst economy since the Great depression and managed to turn it around in the last 2 years of his presidency, I'd say Obama was successful considering the GDP growth at the start of his presidency was at -2.5 and ended at + 4.2, and the only reason Trump won was because of the broken system known as the electoral college.
Broken when it doesn’t benefit you huh
Trump very plainly doesn't appeal to the majority of voters as demonstrated by his approval rating and him losing the popular vote. So to call the majority of voters " not buying Obamas liberal propaganda " is a gross understatement as demonstrated by the data which proves the opposite.
Approval rating is from polling which has proven time and time again that when it comes to Trump it’s unreliable. Furthermore me disapproving him doesn’t mean I won’t vote for him. I can hate him as a person but his ideology still aligns with mine and therefore I’ll vote for him.
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@Pinkfreud08
u do realize the only reason why the economy is booming is because of Obama right? Obama inherited the worst economy since the great depression and in his last 2 years of the presidency, the economy was booming through all of the hard work Obama put in.If you want to read an article that goes more in-depth than read this. However, it's very unfair to judge Trumps economy right now considering he's inheriting Obamas economy.
So if a recession comes it’ll be Obama’s fault right?
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@Pinkfreud08
In a way it kind of does, if you're popular in all of the swing states you can ignore the rest of the country as demonstrated by the data I've provided.
If you’re popular in NY, TX, CA, and FL you can ignore the rest of the country.
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@Wylted
San Francisco puts broccoli on pizza. That's who.
English class is racist and full of assumption. I feel like they pull Analysis that the author didn’t even know he was writing.
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@Mharman
San Francisco puts broccoli on pizza. That's who.
Liberals smh
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Wow easiest win I’ve seen. I think my win streak is like 6 games now lol
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Okay based on previous posts by bmd I am inclined to believe that his quick formulation of a justification is an indication of a townie affiliation.Looking back on DP 1 he was very widely town read so it makes sense that scum might target him during NP 1. He is in my town pile at this point.
I agree.
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@bmdrocks21
Justification for what?
Why are you pepperoni? There’s a phrase that says why you’re pepperoni in your PM.
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@Wylted
Pie is the o ly one I consider confirmed town because of how bastard it would be to have a godfather with no cop
Just me?
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@Wylted
I'm not voting until I know mason or bulletproof is not a gambit. Not getting sucked into this shitUnvote
Scum have to kill me tonight. Mason is the balance to Godfather. Even if mafia kill me and Oro, by that time at least one scum will be dead between F4 and Water and 2 confirmed townies will exist.
Stop backtracking from the plan you agreed to last DP.
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@Club
UNVOTE\You know what, screw this, I think Pie is mafia, he did "stick with the plan" last time he was mafia tooVTL PIE
Dude just stop. I’m confirmed town. Talk to Warren, if you don’t believe me.
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@Wylted
I'm not voting until I know mason or bulletproof is not a gambit. Not getting sucked into this shitUnvote
It physically can’t be balanced without a Mason, Cop, and BP.
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@Wylted
Stop thinking BMD is town. Ridiculous. There are a few reasons mafia might bot have NKed, one is they refrained to set up a fake claim and given how unlikely of a target he is for an NK that needs to be examined
There has to be some NK preventative role. BP makes sense.
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@Club
He said it in the DP. And Cog did before him too.How did oro tell you?
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@Club
I want you to investigate DiscReading the last dp, I do not fully trust you
I’m the most town person here. I’m clearly the cop since a godfather exists. No one counterclaimed me. Therefore I am cop and confirmed town. Just stick to the plan. I’m gonna tie tonight anyways.
Mason
Mason
BP
Cop
Are the townroles.
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@Club
How'd you investigate ORO IF THERE WAS NO NIGHT PHASE
I investigated him NP1
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Lynch order should be: PressF, Water, Disc, Wylted.
Stick with this plan. Disc or Wylted may convince y’all that someone out of BMD, Club, Warren, and Oro is scum, but they are not.
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@WaterPhoenix
I'm not inactive look at this dp and at last dp I was sleeping mate. Also, pie I'm fine with lynching me instead of f because towns got a guaranteed win as long as scum does kill pie, which they should, and it doesn't really matter if I die. Finally, is f part of town block because he hasn't been active enough to be in it.VTL Supa
F4 is not part of the town block. He’s tomorrow’s lynch. And day after it’s you. Followed by Disc and then Wylted. Masons are confirmed, I’m confirmed, Oro is confirmed and BMD is confirmed.
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DP3: We lynch F4
NP3: I’m killed
With 7 players remaining, 4 are confirmed town. Meaning There’s scum among Disc, Wylted, and Water
DP4: Lynch Water
NP4: 1/4 of killed.
With 5 players remaining 3 are confirmed and the other two have scum.
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@oromagi
Agreed. Makes it much easier for the 5 of us to stay alive
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@Vader
Doesnt specifically Day Phase or Night Phase? Or is it just phase.
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@Vader
Youve been hammered bro, just confess. Speed came in so it’s obvious you’re scum
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@oromagi
I agree. I'm ready to lynch. I'm holding back because Disc asked me to. Does anybody buy Supa's claim?
I trust you bro, it’s a yes from me. Just be wary of Disc and Wylted in future DPs if you’re still alive.
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@oromagi
why withhold this critical info until now? You've been on the chopping block for some time.
It’s convenient. If we lynch him, the next Day Phase is skipped so we don’t have a chance to conduct our POE. He said that the night phase occur even though that’s blatantly false per the website you cited. All in all, he’s lying.
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