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Alright, so Mafia knew there was an investigative role from the start considering the GF. Whoever has that role should keep quiet until they know who a mafia is or prevent a person they investigated innocent from being lynched. There’s likely a protective role for us so there’s little worry about claiming when the time is right.
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@Outplayz
300 million... i didn't know. God, humanity deserves climate change. I can't make any other conclusion other than we deserve the world we have. I want it to happen, something so big and destructive, that everyone comes knocking on the frauds' doors. If this was a comic book movie, i'd say the frauds, the villains, are winning.
Survival of the fittest homie. It’s gonna come to that one day. And when it does, I’ll have my doomsday shelter ready. What’s likely going to happen is that with overpopulation a global pandemic is going to occur. Gotta get the gas masks ready for that too.
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@David
From a progressive/socialist POV, I believe the Obama administration was an utter failure and a total disgrace to the country. Obama expanded the unconstitutional surveillance state and expanded NDAA, started illegal wars in Libya in Syria, failed to reign in big banks and the thugs who trashed the economy, droned a wedding and hospital that killed innocent children, assassinated an innocent 16-year old with his father, failed to reign in mass incarceration, utterly failed with Obamacare, and up till the Trump administration was the "deporter in chief."If we want to move the country to the left, we need to be intellectually honest with the Obama administration. If Obama were a white Republican and did all those things, Democrats would have impeached him and would have marched through the streets to oppose his illegal wars.Republicans by and large stayed silent on these issues because they supported Obama's most evil policies. Instead they focused on "phony scandals" such as Benghazi.
If this is sarcasm: Trump2020
If not: Trump2020
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Al Gore and Barack Obama - deniers of climate change. They don’t think water levels will rise. They’re deniers folks. DENIERS
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@Wylted
So what’s the theme? Just history in general? Bad people, bad events? As a history person I’m looking forward to this.
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@Speedrace
Of course I'm not calzone, I'm bomb, and I'm hot sauce, I was trying to attract the NK but it's too late now
*Facepalm*
How tf were you gonna attract NK by claiming a character that is inconsistent with the theme.
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@Wylted
Warren is in your scum pool right. I think a lot of us agree with a CC warren team and I think water is a third scum to be honest. Want to lynch Warren
Yes, I would be in favor of lynching Warren for contrived reasoning. I’ll wait to vote till tomorrow however. Unfair to vote overnight when people aren’t on and people can’t get chance to defend themselves.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
If you are town and you scum read someone there is no point in trying to convince them they are scum, it just fluffs the DP. Try to convince the town that they are scum instead. Looking specifically at post 289 here.
I’ll keep that in mind.
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@Speedrace
Sorry but I've got a 3 page paper due tomorrow and I haven't started yet, I don't have work tomorrow though so I gotchu tomorrow night
Good Luck!
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@Cogent_Cognizer
Why are you on me, I thought you wanted to VTNL
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@warren42
And why tf are you on me. Wylted said he’s willing to lynch Club earlier in the DP.
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@warren42
Nothing in 282 is even remotely convincing. You're flippantly tossing big words or phrases that seem smart like "cognitive dissonance" into your posts and clearly don't have any grasp of what they mean. Cognitive dissonance is "the state of having inconsistent thoughts, beliefs, or attitudes, especially as relating to behavioral decisions and attitude change."You're using "parallelism" and "cognitive dissonance" to describe the same thing when they aren't similar in the slightest.Also, you've failed to give any convincing reason why any of that's inherently scummy. This push honestly might be worse than the one on club. Not only does my vote stand, but your "case" on water made me even more confident that you have done nothing pro-town yet.
Conceptually it makes sense. He wants to vote and join the wagon but can’t without drawing suspicion. Hence he uses fluff to counteract it and make himself feel better. Parallelism refers to structure not a state of mind. The structure of both posts are the same. And that was only a part of the argument. Which I also acknowledged could be coincidence.
What about the other 2 reasons?
And you’ve yet to mention how you’ve actively been scum hunting. The way I see it, you’re on me cause I asked Club to claim and he did.
Stop dodging the questions I posed and answer them.
Your wagon has zero merit. Zero. You call me out for trying to Policy lynch Club if there’s no alternative. Are you simply against he concept of a policy lynch or you just hate me cause I asked Club specifically?
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@warren42
You can't just throw around words like "clearly" and expect them to have meaning. It seems multiple other people agree with me. So no, it's not clear.
Dude I agree as well. It was unfair of me to specifically say he’s my policy if we don’t get alternative. It was his decision to say his role, an important role at that, not mine. If you think that I shouldn’t have said Policy lynch him, that’s fine, I ageee, but that’s not a reason to lynch me. It’s something I’ve been consistent with in past games as I pointed out.
As far as club's claim, yes, I'd still be on you because as I hinted at above, I don't think you were actively searching for alternatives. You were, on the other hand, actively trying to agree to your contingency plan, which makes me feel as though it wasn't really a contingency plan.
Well, that’s your opinion. I was analyzing Water specifically. And I unvoted as soon as he claimed mason since it’s a confirmable role. He’s part of my town list. He’s clearly no longer my policy lynch.
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@WaterPhoenix
1. No, I was trying to help pressure2. Wylted asked for a claim3. Disc didn't scumread me4. What?
1.) Then you say you were. You don’t say “cause everyone else is voting him.” And there definitely was no need for the fluff in both instsnces
2.) And you gave it with zero pressure? *Facepalm* If you were reading Wylted said earlier that you don’t just give claims like that.
3.) I was suspicious of you long before that. In this case you’d just ask me for my role. Why ask Disc his role if he wasn’t suspicious of you?
4.) I’m just pointing out things you’ve said.
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@warren42
Also Pie please point me toward your water thing because I don't remember a damn bit of it
Post 282 is most comprehensive/latest. It’s been progressive throughout. I asked people about their opinions on it.
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@warren42
It's neither poor logic nor is it opportunistic. I was literally just scum with you where you made a shitty push on wylted for what you seemed to think would be an easy lynch, and now you were trying to push a policy lynch on club for all of day 1 without even attempting to hunt. That is not poor logic. You're looking for an easy lynch.
There was a caveat. Policy lynch Club if there is not better alternative. Clearly there’s an alternate. It is poor logic.
Lemme put it this way. If Club claimed Vanilla town, would you still be on my wagon. Because to me it seems you’re only on me cause I made Club claim Mason.
And you have yet to acknowledge my scumhunting with regards to Water. I clearly was scumhunting. You on the other hand haven’t done any besides push me for something that was only going to happen if there was no alternate. Clearly I was hunting for an alternate.
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Alright, I’ll explain my reasoning unlike you.
1.) Parallelism. In your vote for both Wylted and BMD you joined because everyone else joined. That screams opportunistic, but that’s not all. Each time after your vote in the same post you made a fluff statement. Now it could be coincidence or it’s a psychological slip, and I think it’s the latter. It’s cognitive dissonance. You know you want to vote for someone but without drawing attention hence fluff. If it was once it’d be whatever but you did it twice, which makes me suspicious.
2.) You claimed for absolutely no reason. There is no reason why you should be doing this unless you’re Greyparrot since it’s inherently anti town until there’s sufficient pressure.
3.) You’re role fishing. You asked Disc and me for our roles. Disc didn’t say and I didn’t say, but you scumread me but not Disc?
4.) You being inexperienced has nothing to do with this. I’m merely using your own words against you.
5.) Even is 1 is just a coincidence, 2 and 3 still stand.
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@WaterPhoenix
My read is you and stop dodging my questions and I'll answer yours
I’m not going to answer your question as there is no need for me to. It’s literally anti-town at this point for me to claim.
I will ask again, why are you on my wagon? If you refuse to give a reason or have no reason, it’s a reasonable assumption that you are scum.
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@Cogent_Cognizer
Keep up this questioning of me. It will make the others think we aren't scum
You not answering makes you scum not me. You have to have a reason to be on my wagon. Only mafia vote for absolutely no reason.
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@Cogent_Cognizer
Perhaps you should explain why it would be detrimental to town to not have you anymore rather than defend yourself desperately
You realize how stupid you sound right now?
Why are you even on my wagon?
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@WaterPhoenix
What analysis besides me pressuring you
Id ask you the same question. What analysis have you given?
and oh I don't know two other people? You're pressured now, aren't you?
I only have two vote on me, Cog, Idek what he’s doing. Warren he’s scumread lacks any sort of merit.
Now. My question to you is, why are you on my wagon? And please post reads.
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@Cogent_Cognizer
You seem awfully concerned with being VTL'd. Sounds like you have a team that has fewer players
So you think me defending myself is scum behavior?
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@WaterPhoenix
You say I'm scum when theres no way I'm not, and you haven't claimed yet and now you're trying to avoid the question? Forgive me if I'm wrong but this is some very suspicious behavior.
I’ll claim when I’m pressured. There’s no need for me to simply claim. That’s inherently antitown cause if we all claim, Mafia knows who to kill. And why the hell am I suspicious? You asked Disc the exact same question and he didn’t claim either.
This screams anti town.
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@warren42
Show me one ounce of pro-town effort you've put forth today and I'll remove my vote. All you've done is gotten a mason to claim and given shitty pushes.
My analysis on Water seems like a good start.
I didn’t do anything. Club claimed without seeking advice from his possible teammate and without any pressure besides me. I agree that I should’ve been more fair and not have tunneled him, but he still claimed a role with virtually zero pressure.
This was the my only “shitty” push. Nothing else has been shitty.
Now, let’s talk about you. Where’s your effort/analysis. You’re only lynching me cause I pressured Club, which is a fair thing to ask. I could do the same thing with you. Your vote from me comes cause a “revealed” a mason, when you wouldn’t be making the same case if he claimed Vanilla. It’s poor logic and hella opportunistic.
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@warren42
VTL Pie. Let's get this one rolling
This stupid Warren and you know it.
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@WaterPhoenix
And how do we know you're not scum?
How is this related to anything?
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@Club
oh, I was just making edits
You should try to formulate your own reads. You can use the analysis of others but it’s better if you put it in your own words. And point out anything you specifically noticed about someone,
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@Club
pie told me to
Here’s some advice for the future. Generally you shouldn’t claim until there is pressure on you. One vote won’t do anything.
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Town
Bmd - responded well to the wagon on him. In the townpile for now until later developments if any
Club - role is confirmable if he isn’t lying, and his scummates would likely have advised him not to claim this early with virtually no pressure.
Wylted - actively scumhunting and asking for reads (bonus points).
Disc - analyzing Wylted at beginning of DP makes me townread him
Null
F4 - very little activity and mainly fluff. Normally would be a scum read but I’ll give him the benefit of the the doubt with his homework claim. Will change if he doesn’t participate as much.
Supa - Inactive
Warren - I don’t like his push on me for no reason. Me asking for a claim doesn’t mean much if it’s just me, and he chose to do it anyways. And I’m not the one who said he should try to breadcrumb, mafiascum I think says you should. It seems opportunistic to lynch me by claiming opportunism when there was no reasonable wagon on Club.
Scum
Cog - his conservative play style is inconsistent with him role claiming early, and there’s very little analysis, but to me his play seems consistent with that of last game. Assessment could change with new developments in the future tho.
Water - I don’t like his wagoning, it may be inexperience or a scumtell. There’s parallel with both of his voting posts as well. With a vote cause there’s a wagon followed by fluff. Could be a subconscious scumtell. Not to mention we randomly revealed.
Lmk if y’all have any questions.
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@Wylted
ill do so as soon as I get home. I’m gettin gains at the gym rn.
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@warren42
Nothing opportunistic about it, my gameplay has always pressured him going back to bsh’s game
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@Wylted
@Discipulus_Didicit
@Speedrace
What do y’all think of Water just joining the wagons and unnecessary fluff? Inexperience or possible scumtell?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
While I am gone you tell me what you want me to explain to him and if it is still relevant when I return then I will do so.
Dw about it.
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@Wylted
He will get better each game. It takes longer to get good on this site than DDO because it has a less active mafia community
Aight man.
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@Club
Try to breadcrumb who your partner(s) are. And please consult your partner on reads and overall game play.
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@Speedrace
Doesn't Club's claim mean multiple people have the same character? That's trippy lol
Not necessarily.
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