ILikePie5

Full claim.

I call lynching Pie

Everytime lynching Mharman has been brought up, Pie's avoided it. He always goes back to Club. We've basically proved Club is town and he still goes to scum on him? And he ignores the fact that Mharman apparently doesn't understand his own role...

Look up Voltorb...I think it's pretty obvious what Pie's role claim is from that description

I can paste it here if you want, not sure if you want me to out him though

That's laughable. Need I remind you that you spent all of last DP tunneling Club? Can you point to your townreads of him?

This is literally a lie. You never townread Club.

Why are you null reading Phione, Supa, and Water because they "haven't posted much," but not null reading Oro for the same reason? 

Are you claiming to be a second poisoner?

so why are you so apparently confident that there are two killing roles?

Post 184

In that case, there is no poison doctor and only a fake poisoner. I doubt warren would include a fake-only poisoner, because it would allow mafia to essentially role-confirm a role which did not exist. Such a situation would be highly convoluted. It seems more likely to me that there is a poison doctor, precisely because warren doesn't strike me as the kind of mod to play those kinds of games.

Obviously you haven't been paying attention. See post 152.

And that is?

Still tunneling. 

Reads

I apologize, I'm busy with school stuff and I'm gone all day tomorrow for school, if I have time before bed I'll give you a breakdown if possible

Because Warren described a "poisoner who can also fake poison," not a poisoner who can only fake poison. This suggests, to my reading, that any poisoner must be able to actually poison if they chose. Since we know that there must be a poisoner of some type in the game, we know that the poisoner could/can actually poison. 

I think it's more likely that Wylted knew the town poison doc would save him. I think Club is still town- fake claiming a poison doctor in this game would be way too risky for scum.

BUT ALSO, Club said that he was a day poison bdoctor BEFORE Warren told bsh anything about day doctors, and that fact isn't exactly readily available to three public. So how would he know that a day poison doctor could even exist?

I think this confirms Club as town

at the same time, warren confirmed we either have two poisoners, or a poisoner that can fake poison. I think it's the latter, because we've had the longstanding theory that poisoner was scum; if we had a town poisoner, he would've stepped forward and debunked that theory.

He told that I did not because I only inherit active roles.

 

This means that Disc's bulletproof is no longer active, which means he used it. 

Also, Pie should claim, and I am willing to pressure him if he doesn't.

I think there are different ways to tunnel. A townie tunnels because they genuinely believe a player is scum. You tunneled despite admitting that you didn't care if Club was town or not.

I'm a senior boi :D

Did you VTL me? that's very very very suspicious gotta go with Mharman on this one.

SO MUCH stuff to do before school starts do I'm gonna get back to you tomorrow with more analysis

This is important, because Club claims to be an "even-day poison doctor." Given Warren's reply to me, Club's claim can only be true if and only if there are either (a) two poisoners in the game or (b) one poisoner who can fake poison someone. This information opens up some permutations of reality.

Club could be mafia lying about his role and there is no PD in this game; instead, there is only a poisoner who can fake poison, thus allowing Club to get his mafia fake claim role-confirmed.

Club could be town telling the truth about his role and did not save Wylted because Wylted was fake-poisoned

Do townies tunnel occasionally? Sure. But is your behavior suspect? Absolutely. You are in my scumpile until there is some very good reason that you shouldn't be.

VTL Pie

What was Pie's claim again?

It is also possible, of course, that Supa and Oro are scum. Neither of them voted, which would have handicapped mafia's ability to drive the lynch. I could see Supa or Oro in a team with Pie, because Pie was clearly trying to drive the lynch a specific way, but didn't have back up really from anyone else. It's possible that a large portion of the scum team was AWOL, inhibiting Pie's ability to direct the lynch to mafia's preferred target. I'd be interested in other people's thoughts.

Yeah, Pie is in my scumpile. It's not so much that he hammered, it's that he tunneled. He was overeager to secure the lynch of the likely (and then claimed) poison doctor, which does not strike me as pro-town at all.

Mharman and Pie are the people for me this DP, I hate Pie's tunneling on Club, but a Mharman lynch would also give us a lot of information

Ultimately, then, I think the NK offers us two plausible narratives: noob scum or Mhar/Club scum. I think it is time to begin to pressure inactives for activity, and to continue to consider the possibility of an Mhar-Club team.

Given how town almost lynched me last DP, killing Grey only makes us look like scum more. So, why would I kill Grey? It doesn't make any sense. Mafia crealry tried way too hard to make me look like scum.

Why? Well, as I said, I used to play Secret Hitler, and usually, the person who is the least suspicious and the most helpful is Hitler, and that person in my opinion has been bsh.

I think we're dealing with noob scum here.

If that had been your only reason for going fo him, I would understand. But you've flip-flopped between various reasons too many times.

Again, killing town unnecessarily only hurts us.

Repeatedly" said you'd vote along with us? You've said it once (I checked), and that was after I had shown the Baye's Theorem math, which is hard to argue against since it's an objective fact. So saying you'd vote along with us makes you seem more reasonable while still allowing you to maintain your anti-Club position.

I didn't even mention what you said about being scum in my argument...so why are you randomly bringing it up now?

I never said it proved he was town, I just said it's evidence for him being town. And if it's so common, show me another game when somebody did it.

I wasn't starting a wagon against you, I was just sharing my honest thoughts and asking other people for theirs.

Strange comments that Pie made

1. He said he repeatedly said that he would vote with the majority town...but he only said it was and that was very recently

2. He starts talking about an argument that I didn't even mention in the first place.

3. He said that claiming not to know how many mafia there are is a common mafia ploy...evidence? (This could actually be true, I wouldn't know since I'm new, but I doubt it)

4. He claimed I was trying to start a wagon when I clearly wasn't

Take from that what you will 

I don't seem to recall any time when mafia has done that.

Well would you rather lynch mafia or town. You seem to have chosen to lynch town, which is counter productive to town.

He never said he hammered the VTNL on purpose. He did say that he "jumped on the bandwagon" and that "[He] is a noob but that's no reason to lynch [him]."

What he did was stupid, but as Bsh1 said, it was likely a lack of situational awareness.

All that means is that he is a noob. It isn't indicative of affiliation.

You're way too eager for this lynch, as is Grey.

Explain/rephrase please.

My survival isn’t what matters. What matters is that scum team is found and lynched

I will go with the majority on mharman club when time is near expiration