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@Barney
The brackets still feel like an accidental red herring to me. Anyone else ask Wylted about them? And if so, anyone get a different answer than what I got?
we’re not determining affiliation because of them, which conforms with Wylted’s OP
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@Mharman
What?
See for yourself
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@Mharman
I also just found something that implicates GP and Luna as scum if it’s true.
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@Mharman
What the hell would we even put in it?
Your favorite pie and my favorite pie
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@Mharman
MharPieLike a think Bostonian accent. Ya want some mharpie?
We should invent Mharpie. I think it would be a top seller
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@Mharman
I would love to lynch in the morning so that I don’t have to think about this game for the rest of tomorrow. Guess we have opposite philosophies there lol.I guess I won’t be selfish. I’ll vote someone tonight. I would love it if the next DP started late tomorrow, then.
You’re probably dying anyways if your theory is true, cause it means scum don’t have a Roleblock. I’ll take care of it dw. Pie + Mharman = Pieman
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@Greyparrot
I dont know my role...and no I tried to analyze what the damn double brackets meant
Paraphrase what comes before the double brackets for each one
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@Mharman
I’m going back to Whiteflame vs Barney. Lemme double check some things, I think both are scum tbh.I’ll let you know of my opinion. It seems town will just go with whoever we decide. We should wait on input from Austin too.
I want to lynch before we sleep tonight so we can hopefully get the game rolling again by tomorrow morning. One of us is dying for sure. I have nothing more to say except I want to lynch WF and so does Casey.
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@Greyparrot
Yes that's the bracket...here is what AI had to say: (redacted of course)That cryptic phrase (redacted) player behavior and hidden roles in the game. Here’s a possible (redacted): "How People Handle Evil" – This could refer to how (redacted) react to the presence of the Mafia (the "evil" faction). Do they actively (redacted) out deception, or do they manipulate (redacted)? "Jesus Frozen in Heart" – This might (redacted) a town member (a "good" role) who is paralyzed, indecisive, or unable to act effectively. It could also refer to (redacted) who appears to be good but isn’t actively helping their (redacted), possibly due to fear, hesitation, or (redacted)I really don't have a better take really. that guess is as good as any I could make as to what they mean.
Is this a paraphrasing of what ChatGPT output when you input your full role PM?
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@Mharman
Honestly I’d sooner conclude Greyparrot simply is communicating poorly than I would conclude he lied to protect Joebob last DP.
I was just about to say that
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@Mharman
Wouldn’t that pair them together? Since GP wouldve had inside information.
I don’t think Wylted would’ve made it that easy for town lol
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@Mharman
We probably should still solve the question of who’s scummier between Whiteflame and Barney. Based on theories and mechanics, it’s Whiteflame. I think Barney’s behavior is worse. It’s probably both of them.
Why is his behavior worse?
Why do you conclude GP is town off that?
Cause he said it word for word as JoeBob’s flip while JoeBon just said Frozen Jesus
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@Mharman
Where did Greyparrot say he had frozen heart in his PM again?
Somewhere in DP3. He actually said it differently than JoeBob did, which solidified my desire to lynch JoeBob. Unless it was a bussing attempt my gut says GP is town.
What reason do you have to town read WF?
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@Mharman
Greyparrot also claimed in the first post. If he’s scum, then he would be Carcinization as scum.
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@Greyparrot
Just so you know, I am probably perma sheeping pie as long as he is alive, so you need to go through him to get me to vote for who you want
How did Wylted use frozen heart and people handling evil in relation to carcinization
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@Mharman
I’m telling you that this discussion of theme is useless and a waste of time until we get 2-3 scum flips. We need to rely on behavior and hard facts vs speculation.
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@Mharman
From that angle it’s probably just Greyparrot Barney Whiteflame Joebob.If you want to include Lunatic you have to swap out Greyparrot… which leaves Barney still in.
It leaves WF in as well. WF is always scum here. Everything point his way. Literally everything.
Here’s another thing: If the link between Joebob and Greyparrot (Frozen heart) doesn’t confirm they’re paired, why would the lack of links confirm separation?
Wym? WF could be partners with any combo of the remaining players alive. The same isn’t true for Barney because we could just be wrong about Crab God
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@Mharman
No, I mean Barney and I’ve decided I want to go for him.
Why not Whiteflame? I want to go for WF. Barney is far too risky at this juncture. You’re relying too much on theme when we don’t know what it could be
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@Mharman
Honestly I think from no matter what angle you attack it from, Barney is scum.
You mean Whiteflame?
Let me put it this way. Every townie dead has had the PM character of at least one other townie. No one alive has said they have Victim Complex in double brackets. The odds that Victim complex not being part of any townie’s PM is basically none. Not to mention his role is basically another Universal Backup. Further the fact that he’s claiming he has no double brackets in his PM AND JoeBob said the same thing. There’s no world where WF is town. Idk about Barney, but I cannot fathom WF being town (and neither can Casey).
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@Mharman
I honestly just want to get this over with. We’re probs going to lose anyways since we’re going to be alive for the final day and probably gonna have non-hardcore players trying to determine last scum
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@Mharman
Whiteflame is possible, although Greyparrot has been pushing for him. The odds of him verifying his role are low since even though I targeted him, I probably visited Pie/Savant.
He wouldn’t find out until tomorrow night anyways.
Barney isn’t ever gonna verify. Let’s be real. It wouldn’t even make him town confirmed. The only thing that gives me pause is that Greyparrot is pushing hard for his lynch. Could be a distance play.
Barney is going to have to be a behavioral read regardless.
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@Mharman
Casey told me to relay that she would choose to lynch WF today
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@Mharman
Why? I don’t get it.
WF: Behavior + Character + Role
Luna: Character
Barney: POE but still 50/50 with Austin and GP
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@Mharman
Honestly, I think we’re trying to hard. Neither of us are gonna be alive when it’s 3-1 or 2-1. Scum will kill us before they kill Savant who is the only other lock townie
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@Mharman
Honestly I think we’re over complicating things here. I think it’s Barney-Lunatic-Whiteflame and it doesn’t completely matter…
I’m 95% sure on WF, 75% sure on Luna, and 50% sure on Barney.
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@Mharman
The thing I dont like is how Barney, Lunatic, and Whiteflame don’t have creative names for their roles.
I’ve already said that this is NAI because Owen was town and he was Universal Backup.
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@Mharman
GP is not clear. A quick google search reveals “Jesus’ frozen heart” may have something to do with a myocardial infarction… so, something about His death. I thought it was some morbid conspiracy theory, but mortality would’ve been a theme regardless.Note that when I say mortality is a theme, it doesn’t have to be THE theme. Multiple different angles to approach the theme split, but it’s something down those lines.Anyway, you think Joebob borrowed a fake claim from something the scum team actually had, correct?
That’s correct.
The specifics of a theory being wrong does not render a whole theory obsolete. Just remember that.
I agree, but remember that your theory involves scum stealing Crab God from GP. That means he has to be town.
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@Mharman
It comes down to this if you believe GP:
Luna, Austin, Barney, Whiteflame have 3 scum. If you think WF is town, then the team is exactly Luna, Austin, Barney, JoeBob and your theory is right. But we know for a fact that Jesus frozen in heart is a character and scum are lying and therefore your theory is wrong.
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@Mharman
The theme seems to be something to do with mortality at the very least. Barney is still implicated, so is Lunatic.
Okay, if this is your thought, then the team is exactly JoeBob, Lunatic, Barney, Austin. But if that’s the team, where is “Jesus frozen in heart” that GP is saying was in his PM? Where did JoeBob get it from?
My point is that your theme theory only is true if scum are all telling the truth about their characters, which they definitely aren’t based on above.
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Is the reason why you townread WF solely due to theme? Because note that his character is not in any flipped townie’s PM. He’s also saying he doesn’t have anything in double brackets as well. There’s no way both of those things are true for a townie.
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@Mharman
Christianity’s compatibility with radical life extensionSomething like that. it’s in Joebob’s PM if you check the diary thread Wylted made
What about that? It’s conceivable that scum may have a town character in their PM. Earth had mine in his PM as a TP. I’m 95% sure Wylted didn’t make it game breaking that scum would only have other scum in their double brackets. He probably didn’t account for the fact that scum fake claiming would also implicate them based on characters not claimed but in double brackets
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@Mharman
Sure, “may,” but my point was that it definitely targets teammates
I think it’s just flavor from Wylted because of the moving side to side thing as well
A very fair assumption as far as I’m concerned. I would’ve rb’ed Austin NP1 in scum’s shoes, assuming Austin is town. Probably was the case since am Austin isn’t implicated by theme and I dont have a real reason to scumread.
I’m going to again caution you on theme because we know scum is lying about their characters.
Did Barney claim he was blocked early in DP2?
I believe he was the first person to full claim DP3.
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@Mharman
“You’re friends will never leave the bucket” iirc
It’s actually: “or (I) may keep your friends from leaving the bucket.”
“May” is the key operator
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@Mharman
Going off theme, I’m more willing to lynch Barney than Whiteflame. I agree Lunatic should have the chance, although I doubt it’s gonna happen. I also don’t see the point in neighborizer with your role.
What’s the thematical argument against Barney?
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@Mharman
I think mine is more likely.
Eh maybe, but it assumes Luna and Barney both lied about NP1 at a minimum. I think my version is more balanced
Ignoring how inventive such an idea would be… Doesn’t your theory assume GP is scum? If so, why is there a crab god at all?
It doesn’t assume he’s scum. He still could be, but it’s also negative town utility with positive upside as well if he is town. As for why there even is one, based on all the possible killing/cookie giving, it makes sense. We also don’t know all the scum roles out there. One thing we can agree on is that Crab God facilitates a roleblock in some way
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@Mharman
At the end of the day, both our theories implicate Lunatic. I still prefer to lynch Whiteflame though because of what we know with the double brackets, and the fact that his claims don’t make much sense. Not to mention his behavior is definitely off. Lunatic can still prove himself theoretically, so I’d like to keep that door open. I think there’s a greater case for WF than Barney, cause with Barney, you’re primarily relying on your theory. There’s a chance he just is the neighborizer and has been getting passively roleblocked. I think your role fits well with my theory because you can see 2 people’s actions each night. I’m fine with Luna or WF cause I trust your results.
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@Mharman
I’m gonna need to see more proof for that one
It’s a theory. Can’t really prove a theory, just like you can’t prove yours.
I think it’s more plausible if it just randomly roleblocks a teammate
The teammate part is a major assumption though.
Although would that make it more of an active role? I’d just be a hidden random compulsive roleblocker
It’s a passive role cause it can’t be controlled and it can target anyone and everyone.
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@Mharman
Whenever you wanna say what it is
I’ll just say it, cause I think I know what it is, and I can’t think of a downside. Basically Crab God passively blocks anyone who says “Carcinization” in the DP. We know that in DP1 there were 3 people who claimed to be blocked:
Mharman
Lunatic
Barney
Mharman and Barney said the word in DP1. Lunatic did not. Barney has continually said the word in DP2 and DP3 because of his dashboard which would explain why his action has been failing every night.
There were 2 actions that succeeded NP1: Vig by Supa on Savant and Owen giving cookie to Banana. Neither Supa nor Owen said the word in DP1. I said the word but my ability is passive. Whiteflame said the word NP1 but not NP2. Now let’s read what your results were in NP2:
NP2: “In the shadows of the night, I see a tangled fate unfold. One seeks to disrupt, but their efforts are tangled by unseen hands. A restless spirit tries to act, but is held fast by the web of fate, their actions stilled. Nearby, another moves, their intentions unclear, yet they hold the power to stop, to bind. One name stands frozen in the web, unable to escape their bindings—Barney, trapped in stillness. And beside him, a figure with a wild heart, silent in the night... Lunatic, whose hand unknowingly weaves the threads of delay."
It makes sense that the Crab God passively roleblocks anyone who says their character name. Would NKs be prevented? I don’t know, but my theory fits assuming Luna is scum and it explains the unknowingly aspect. The only thing I’m having trouble with is the second line.
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@Mharman
I suspect Lunatic is the role stealer, although that changes with a scumread on GP. Haven’t given much thought on Barney’s.
When do you want to hear my theory?
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@Mharman
@Savant
Here’s a question for yall: what do you think is Luna’s real role and what do you think is Barney’s real role
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@Savant
Pretty sure mine isn't.
Can you please ask just to confirm
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@Mharman
I double checked and I think I figured it out. If my theory is true, Luna is definitely scum and Barney should probably be town but there is a chance he’s scum regardless because I doubt scum figured this out
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@Greyparrot
This is the info I got when I asked:(Crab God has) a passive ability nigga. (redacted) may walk sideways though or (I) may keep your friends from leaving the bucket, but you (redacted) never escape the bucket..
When did you ask this?
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@Mharman
I think I figured out the mystery. I would advise you not to say anything about Greyparrot until I figure it out
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