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Is it possible that Moozer is a TP lyncher, thus explaining his obsession with Luna?

caseys definition is more accurate than moozers. Moozers pride is just hurt is all. 

Okay, here’s my final push for a Luantic lynch. If it doesn’t work, ping me and I can change my vote, cause I think it’s on Luna right now. He’s been very unusual this whole DP with his reads and his various OMGUS’s. He’s also just been off behaviorally, so I encourage anyone with the time to at least look back at what he’s said today. He’s ticked every box for me, so I think it should be a no brainer at this point. Again, ping me if I need to jump on a wagon to get us to a lynch this DP.

Oh, sorry! I guess it's mostly how polite you are and your general energy, doesn't match what most men here have sounded like so far. I didn't mean to offend.

Maybe town is all neg utility roles

Maybe so, but I think a large part of the problem there is that no one really questioned a 3P BP and a Town BP existing in the same game nearly as much as we should have.

Given that Banana and Luna are both town, it's a possibility I can't ignore. I can see Moozer being honest about his role but not his character.

I don't think the messenger part really counts for anything seeing as it only activates after death. That being said, Owen's protests here really remind me a lot of Shocking Moments when he got mislynched. It feels towny af to me personally.

Although a confirmable ability isn't a confirmable alignment. I've designed roles in the past that give people fake "Inventions" that blow up or don't work.

Can you stop being dumb and vote Owen already?

I still want to lynch Lunatic, but if it starts to get less likely that it will happen, I can jump on someone else’s wagon.

I really don’t think we should lynch Owen. Sure he isn’t fully town confirmed, but affiliation confirmation is good enough for him not to be the DP1 lynch in my book.

Also, why am I being sued the most. I understand that role confirmation does not confirm affiliation but how does that make me scummy in any eay? 

Can someone please help me understand why we have to lynch someone, preferably Pie because he is the one pushing so hard. 

I feel like pie is scum and he’s my number one. Not really trying to be stubborn here but I’d rather no lynch than lynch someone I think is likely to flip town.

I still wanna lynch you. I don’t really want to lynch any of the claims.

Whatever ends up happening this DP, I’ll tell you my theory about lunatic next DP, but I trust him enough to let him do whatever he’s doing. 

VTNL? 

I have to go offline for a bit but I'll be back later. For now, Banana is town to me and I'm not interested in lynching Lunatic or Cerulean, and am very reluctant to lynch Earth merely on the basis of him being a Miller.

I literally provided you with the exact quote from Moozer himself where he explained it. I agree that it's fairly weak, but I don't think it's so weak we can immediately write it off.

That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about this:

In the year 49 BC, Julius Caesar crossed the river Rubicon into Roman Italy. This action was all but an act of war and kick started Caesar's Civil War. Given how the year 49 BC set into motion for the future of Rome, you are the Motion Detector.

Like, come on.

Owen's whole justification is that the pilot's mistake sent a message to other pilots to not make the same mistake, thereby stopping them from committing the same error, which is why he is a rolestopper-inventor/legacy messenger. I just feel like the connection there is a little bit tenuous, and I'm surprised you disagree.

Moozer himself has already explained the justification behind his role.

And yeah, I'll admit that it's not the strongest I've seen, but sometimes real justifications are weak. Like the justification behind you being the Motion Detector in Years Mafia. That's one of the worst justifications I've ever seen (no offense, Earth), and it was REAL.

Vader/JoeBob - Amit Shah - You are widely recognized for your exceptional skills in election strategy and management. As a prominent leader and current Union Home Minister, your expertise has significantly shaped the Bharatiya Janata Party's (BJP) successes across India, including in Gujarat. Your deep understanding of political dynamics and voter behavior has established you as a key figure in Indian politics. In Gujarat, your influence is especially notable. You have a comprehensive grasp of the state's political landscape and are well-informed about the activities and strategies of various political players. Your ability to anticipate and counter opposition moves, combined with your skill in mobilizing support, has been crucial to the BJP's strong performance in the state. Your strategic acumen and detailed knowledge of ground realities underscore your reputation as a master of election tactics and state-level political maneuvering. Thus, you are the Motion Detector. Each night, you may target a player. You will learn if any actions were performed by that player or on that player. You win with the Town.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that part. I don't think it's too weak to be real, but I don't think it's strong either. It just is.

That depends on the game and the mod. Rolestopper doesn't always stop lethal actions, and Owen didn't specify whether his role would or not.

Can we lynch Pie?

Vtl Pie

Wat? Why would confirming his role mean anything to you?

I believe that Owen's role does what he says it does. Inventor is easily confirmable and I don't think he'd lie about that as scum. What's ringing alarm bells for me is that you say "it doesn't really matter" as long as Owen confirms himself.

Of course it matters! Justification always matters. Wasn't it you who JUST criticized the town for not asking Luna why he was a Messenger in Indian Politicians? That was an easily confirmable role.

Okay, no. Hard disagree. I think Owen's justification is quite weak. The pilot made a mistake which sent a message for others to learn from, and that's why he's a messenger? It's not impossible, but it's hardly what I would call a strong justification. I also don't really understand how it connects to him being a rolestopper inventor. The fact that you don't see this justification as being weak while also scumreading Moozer to Hell and back feels very weird to me.

Air France flight 447.  The flight crashed due to pilot incompetency. The plane was losing speed, and started to fall. The pilot could have recovered by going down to gain speed, but instead, he pulled up, stopping the plane and killing all passengers. Therefore, I am a rolestopper-inventor. I'm not sure where the inventor part comes in.

This has a possibility of backfiring in my face, but I'm just gonna trust Lunatic on this.

It seemed to me that you dis-agreed with the justification, or thought a better role fit it. Which like I said, I feel that way all the time when reading justifications for other mods roles, and even myself as a mod will stretch the link of a role to make a role I like fit. The reasons he gave made sense to me though for his role.

Moozer already did, you just didn't like it. I and several other do like it.

Well that was way earlier and I wasn't at that point. Like I said to cerulean just forgot about him because he hadn't posted.

The only problem was that your analysis of Moozer contained no behavioral reasons whatsoever. It was all based on loose justification. We now have several people claiming loose justification.

I noticed that, trying to decide if it's genuine or if it's because multiple people have called you out for it at this point.