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@Earth
What did all of Wylted's choices do?
I’ll leave yall to guess in case I wanna do another recycled roles :)
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@whiteflame
@Savant
@WyIted
@JoeBob
@Owen_T
Endgame
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@Casey_Risk
Should have made it clear that Luna most likely visited Austin, meaning that he was most likely town. Combine that with the fact that Owen's supposed role PM didn't actually include the name of his role anywhere, which completely broke the format, and the town could have figured out that Owen was scum and won DP3. I understand why they ended up going for Austin, though, and at least they put it all together in the end. I was really worried the town was going to lose there for a moment. GG.
Yep forgot to mention that too
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NIGHT ACTIONS:
DP1 Actions:
Austin - Failed to submit in time
NP1 Actions:
Casey - Give Shield to WF
Whiteflame - Watch Lunatic
JoeBob - Intercept Wylted
Austin - Premoved Wylted
Savant - Allow Whiteflame to create will
Lunatic - Choose Whiteflame
Owen - Protect Owen, NK Casey
Wylted - Choose Myth of Blood —> 1x Bus Driver —> Bus Drive Earth and Wylted
*JoeBob redirected to Earth because of bus drive
*Austin redirected to Earth because of bus drive
*Savant redirected to self because of shield
*Luna redirected to self because of shield
*Whiteflame sees Luna visit Luna
DP2 Actions:
Austin - Premoved JoeBob
NP2 Actions:
Whiteflame - Watch JoeBob
JoeBob - Intercept Austin
Austin - Premove Whiteflame
Savant - Allow JoeBob to create will
Lunatic - Choose Austin
Earth - Austin, Owen, Savant
Owen - Protect Owen, NK Lunatic
*Austin redirected to JoeBob
*Whiteflame sees Austin and Savant visit JoeBob
*Earth gets 3 names
NP3 Actions:
Whiteflame - Watch JoeBob
JoeBob - Intercept Earth
Savant - Allow Owen to create will
Owen - Protect Owen, NK Whiteflame
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TOWN:
Casey - You are Perseus, the son of Zeus. Using a reflective shield given to you by the Goddess Athena, you were able to avert Medusa’s direct gaze, but at the same time, you were able to see her so that you could kill her. Therefore, you are the Town Reflector. Each night you may give someone a reflection shield, which will cause anyone targeting the person you gave the shield to have their actions reflected back onto themselves. For example, if Player A targeted Player B and you gave the shield to Player B, Player A’s action will occur on Player A (themselves). The reflection shield lasts only one night (ie you must retarget each night) since you just used it basically once to help kill Medusa, and it cannot reflect the Mafia NK because you didn’t kill anyone with it. You win with the Town.
Whiteflame - You are Arataka Reigen. You are known for your sharp instincts, persuasive skills, and deep understanding of human nature. Your profession as a self-proclaimed psychic exorcist requires observing and analyzing people's behavior closely to effectively "detect" spirits and solve supernatural problems. Your knack for reading people and detecting subtle changes helps uncover suspicious activities. Therefore, you are the Town Watcher. Each night, you may select a person to watch. You will learn who visited them. You win with the Town.
Earth - You are Shulk from Xenoblade - In the game, your sword Monado grants visions of potential futures. These visions are not merely glimpses of what might happen but are detailed snapshots of different possible outcomes based on current actions and events. It sure helps you out in a sword fight because you can see your opponents move before it even happens. Therefore, you are the Town Dreamer. Each night you are not visited during the night, you will receive a vision containing three random players. At least one player in that vision will be a member of the mafia. You win with the Town.
JoeBob - You are Iron Man. In the first Avengers movie, when Loki used the Tesseract to open a portal for the Chitauri, the world leaders ordered a nuclear strike in the area of the invasion — New York City. That nuke would have destroyed one of the largest cities in America. You however, redirected the nuke into the portal opening to destroy the Chitauri at their source with the full intention of becoming a martyr if necessary. Because of your heroics and commitment to protecting Earth and people, you are the Compulsive Interceptor. Each night, you must target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, any actions performed by that player will be redirected to you. You win with the Town.
Austin - You are Hans Niemann. You were accused of cheating by Magnus Carlsen and you filed a defamation lawsuit against him. A judge dismissed the case and everything went back to normal. There was no evidence of you cheating over the board, which means you won against Magnus fair and square. We shall see if you can defeat World Champion Magnus again. Because of your accomplishments and ability to predict your opponent's moves, you are the Chess Grandmaster. Each day and night, you must submit the name of a player you think will die in that phase. If you successfully predict the death of three players consecutively and are living at the end of the game, Town automatically wins. You must submit a name in the day phase within 24 hours of its start. You win with the Town.
Savant - You are Atticus Finch. You are the only white person who believes Tom Robinson is innocent. However, in 1930s Alabama, it is impossible to convince a jury that a black man could be telling the truth. Tom Robinson lost all hope and supposedly tried to escape prison. In doing so, he was shot 17 times. Atticus unfortunately had to deliver the bad news to his widow Helen. Even though Tom died, you delivered his last words and taught your children right vs wrong. Thus, you are the Town Probate Lawyer. Each night, you may visit a player. If that player dies at any point in the game, they will be allowed to leave a last message in the form of a last will. When you die, all last wills are published. You win with the Town.
Lunatic - You are Brienne of Tarth from Game of Thrones. As the last surviving heir of House Tarth, you had great marriage prospects. Instead you chose the path of men and learned to fight and become a swordsman. You were bullied as a child for not being a proper girl, but your bravery is renowned in Westeros. In a sexist society, you were able to become Lord Commander of the Kingsguard for Bran the Broken. Thus, you are the Brave Townie. Each night, you may select a player. If that player does NOT win with the town, you will be protected from all lethal actions. You win with the Town.
MAFIA:
Wylted - You are Julius Evola. You are an Italian philosopher, writer, and esotericist known for complex and controversial ideas. You are often associated with traditionalist and reactionary thought, promoting a return to pre-modern values and hierarchies. Your works cover a range of topics, including metaphysics, politics, and spirituality and have been influential among various far-right and alternative political movements. Thus, you are the Mafia Dreaming God. Each night, you may use one of the following abilities (see below). You may choose each ability only once, and must use it that night or forfeit it forever. You win with the Mafia. Here are your list of abilities:
Pagan Imperialism
The Doctrine of Awakening
The Metaphysics of Sex
The Yoga of Power
Ride the Tiger
The Myth of the Blood: The Philosophy of the Race
Introduction to Magic
Revolt Against the Modern World
Owen - You are Donald Trump’s Ear. At the Butler, PA rally, instead of a bullet hitting Trump’s head, God willed it to hit Trump’s ear because Trump shifted his head at the last second. Thank god for that, otherwise we would be in a mess right now. With God at Trump’s side, all we have to do is believe. Thus, you are the Mafia Divine Protector. Each night, you may target a player including yourself. Assuming no interference with your action, that player will be immune to actions from Town-aligned players. You win with the Mafia.
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TOWN WINS
I thought both sides had the ability to win this game at different points in time. Wylted jumped the gun by claiming Tracker for no reason. There was no need to say that he visited Earth. Town was plagued with inactivity. I would’ve played on that and forced a mislynch late on JoeBob. I designed his role to be similar to Casey’s to intentionally cause disruption. Town also missed Lunatic’s big hint where he basically said who he would select at night if he night. His role made it very likely that Austin was town, but no one caught that. Luckily town had a mislynch to play with.
Scum had a great chance to win even after Wylted’s death. Austin messed up who he visited, which was stupid and gave scum a massive break allowing for Austin’s death and then NK on town power role of Watcher (Whiteflame)
DP4, I don’t know what Owen was thinking. His claim was stupid. He should’ve used his real claim and said he got it as town. Same with Wylted. I don’t see why he had to go claim Tracker when Dreaming God is a heavily town role. It just made no sense to me. Back to Owen. Owen, buddy, I get you’re a noob, but your job as scum is to sow doubt on the other town players. Earth, Savant, and JoeBob could’ve been scum. Your job is to lay out the case. Personally, a mislynch on Savant would’ve been easy because he didn’t properly read his PM. So he essentially lied about being confirmed when Whiteflame would die. You have to pick up on these by reading previous DPs, which you didn’t do. At the end of the day your claim and decision to agree to town read Owen and JoeBob sealed the deal.
Anyways, I thought the balance was pretty fair in the grand scheme of things, with there being a possibility of swinginess to either side. As always, I appreciate any feedback on setup and mod style in general. Thanks everyone for playing!
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Owen (3/3) - Savant, Earth, JoeBob
Savant (1/3) - Owen
Owen was lynched. He was…GUILTY. Endgame will be up after I shower
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Owen (2/3) - Savant, Earth
Savant (1/3) - Owen
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Lynched DP1:
None.
Died NP1:
Casey - You are Perseus, the son of Zeus. Using a reflective shield given to you by the Goddess Athena, you were able to avert Medusa’s direct gaze, but at the same time, you were able to see her so that you could kill her. Therefore, you are the Town Reflector. Each night you may give someone a reflection shield, which will cause anyone targeting the person you gave the shield to have their actions reflected back onto themselves. For example, if Player A targeted Player B and you gave the shield to Player B, Player A’s action will occur on Player A (themselves). The reflection shield lasts only one night (ie you must retarget each night) since you just used it basically once to help kill Medusa, and it cannot reflect the Mafia NK because you didn’t kill anyone with it. You win with the Town.
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Lynched DP2:
Wylted - You are Julius Evola. You are an Italian philosopher, writer, and esotericist known for complex and controversial ideas. You are often associated with traditionalist and reactionary thought, promoting a return to pre-modern values and hierarchies. Your works cover a range of topics, including metaphysics, politics, and spirituality and have been influential among various far-right and alternative political movements. Thus, you are the Mafia Dreaming God. Each night, you may use one of the following abilities (see below). You may choose each ability only once, and must use it that night or forfeit it forever. You win with the Mafia. Here are your list of abilities:
Pagan Imperialism
The Doctrine of Awakening
The Metaphysics of Sex
The Yoga of Power
Ride the Tiger
The Myth of the Blood: The Philosophy of the Race
Introduction to Magic
Revolt Against the Modern World
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Luna - You are Brienne of Tarth from Game of Thrones. As the last surviving heir of House Tarth, you had great marriage prospects. Instead you chose the path of men and learned to fight and become a swordsman. You were bullied as a child for not being a proper girl, but your bravery is renowned in Westeros. In a sexist society, you were able to become Lord Commander of the Kingsguard for Bran the Broken. Thus, you are the Brave Townie. Each night, you may select a player. If that player does NOT win with the town, you will be protected from all lethal actions. You win with the Town.
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Austin - You are Hans Niemann. You were accused of cheating by Magnus Carlsen and you filed a defamation lawsuit against him. A judge dismissed the case and everything went back to normal. There was no evidence of you cheating over the board, which means you won against Magnus fair and square. We shall see if you can defeat World Champion Magnus again. Because of your accomplishments and ability to predict your opponent's moves, you are the Chess Grandmaster. Each day and night, you must submit the name of a player you think will die in that phase. If you successfully predict the death of three players consecutively and are living at the end of the game, Town automatically wins. You must submit a name in the day phase within 24 hours of its start. You win with the Town.
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Whiteflame - You are Arataka Reigen. You are known for your sharp instincts, persuasive skills, and deep understanding of human nature. Your profession as a self-proclaimed psychic exorcist requires observing and analyzing people's behavior closely to effectively "detect" spirits and solve supernatural problems. Your knack for reading people and detecting subtle changes helps uncover suspicious activities. Therefore, you are the Town Watcher. Each night, you may select a person to watch. You will learn who visited them. You win with the Town.
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Remaining Players:
1. Earth
2. Owen
3. JoeBob
4. Savant
With 4 players remaining, it takes 3 votes to achieve a lynch. The day phase will end in 72 hours on Monday August 12, 2024 at 7:30pm CST.
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Austin (4/4) - Savant, Whiteflame, JoeBob, Owen
Owen (1/4) - Austin
Austin was lynched. He was…INNOCENT. Please submit night actions ASAP.
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Austin (3/4) - Savant, Whiteflame, JoeBob
Owen (1/4) - Austin
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Austin (2/4) - Savant, Whiteflame
Owen (1/4) - Austin
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Austin (2/4) - Savant, Whiteflame
Owen (1/4) - Austin
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@Earth
I assume this is inaccurate?
Yes, it should say 6 players and 4 votes to lynch. Besides that, it’s accurate
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Lynched DP1:
None.
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Casey - You are Perseus, the son of Zeus. Using a reflective shield given to you by the Goddess Athena, you were able to avert Medusa’s direct gaze, but at the same time, you were able to see her so that you could kill her. Therefore, you are the Town Reflector. Each night you may give someone a reflection shield, which will cause anyone targeting the person you gave the shield to have their actions reflected back onto themselves. For example, if Player A targeted Player B and you gave the shield to Player B, Player A’s action will occur on Player A (themselves). The reflection shield lasts only one night (ie you must retarget each night) since you just used it basically once to help kill Medusa, and it cannot reflect the Mafia NK because you didn’t kill anyone with it. You win with the Town.
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Lynched DP2:
Wylted - You are Julius Evola. You are an Italian philosopher, writer, and esotericist known for complex and controversial ideas. You are often associated with traditionalist and reactionary thought, promoting a return to pre-modern values and hierarchies. Your works cover a range of topics, including metaphysics, politics, and spirituality and have been influential among various far-right and alternative political movements. Thus, you are the Mafia Dreaming God. Each night, you may use one of the following abilities (see below). You may choose each ability only once, and must use it that night or forfeit it forever. You win with the Mafia. Here are your list of abilities:
Pagan Imperialism
The Doctrine of Awakening
The Metaphysics of Sex
The Yoga of Power
Ride the Tiger
The Myth of the Blood: The Philosophy of the Race
Introduction to Magic
Revolt Against the Modern World
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Luna - You are Brienne of Tarth from Game of Thrones. As the last surviving heir of House Tarth, you had great marriage prospects. Instead you chose the path of men and learned to fight and become a swordsman. You were bullied as a child for not being a proper girl, but your bravery is renowned in Westeros. In a sexist society, you were able to become Lord Commander of the Kingsguard for Bran the Broken. Thus, you are the Brave Townie. Each night, you may select a player. If that player does NOT win with the town, you will be protected from all lethal actions. You win with the Town.
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Remaining Players:
1. Whiteflame
2. Earth
3. Owen
4. JoeBob
5. Savant
6. Austin
With 8 players remaining, it takes 5 votes to achieve a lynch. The day phase will end in 72 hours on Sunday August 11, 2024 at 7:30pm CST.
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Wylted (5/5) - Lunatic, JoeBob, Savant, Whiteflame, Wylted
JoeBob (2/5) - Austin, Owen
Wylted was lynched. He was…GUILTY. Please submit night actions ASAP.
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Wylted (4/5) - Lunatic, JoeBob, Savant, Whiteflame
JoeBob (3/5) - Wylted, Austin, Owen
Approximately 11 hours remaining
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Wylted (4/5) - Lunatic, JoeBob, Savant, Whiteflame
JoeBob (3/5) - Wylted, Austin, Owen
Approximately 24 hours remaining
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Wylted (3/5) - Lunatic, JoeBob, Savant
JoeBob (3/5) - Wylted, Austin, Owen
Owen (1/5) - Whiteflame
Approximately 24 hours remaining
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Wylted (2/5) - Lunatic, JoeBob
JoeBob (1/5) - Wylted
Owen (1/5) - Whiteflame
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JoeBob (2/5) - Wylted, Earth
Wylted (2/5) - Lunatic, JoeBob
Owen (1/5) - Whiteflame
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JoeBob (2/5) - Wylted, Earth
Wylted (1/5) - Lunatic
Owen (1/5) - Whiteflame
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JoeBob (2/5) - Wylted, Whiteflame
Wylted (1/5) - Lunatic
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@HistoryBuff
I disagree. All people have heard about her for the last 4 years is occasional negative stories. She's had basically no positive press for years until like a week ago. She hasn't even had a chance to say what policies she supports. Once she has a chance to tell people the stuff she is going to do to actually improve things, she will go up further.
That’s what I said. She’s undefined/unknown entity. But she has a lot of baggage with her. Especially considering she was rated the more liberal Senator.
see, that's a problem. Because Biden didn't really have many bad policies. And when it was biden, that was fine. All they had to do was say "things aren't perfect? blame biden he's in charge". But harris isn't in charge. If you want to paint her with bidens failures, they will need to be more specific. And they have nothing.
That’s your opinion, not fact. Biden was losing to Trump on virtually every issue.
lol, that is stupidest thing I've heard in a while. Have you not heard of Bernie Sanders? Or elizabeth Warren?
Lol, GovTrack made the rating, and she was literally a Senator from California, the cesspool of liberalism
normally this is true. But, like you said, trump is a known quantity. There's nothing to talk about for him. Everyone knows who and what he is. But Vance is new. There's lots to talk about. SOOO many scandals to bring up. From his alleged (and probably false) accusations of being overly familiar with living room furniture, to his hatred of women, to his constantly changing positions (and names), to his calling trump "America's hitler", to his heavy support of project 2025. The list goes on and on. The media is burned out on running negative stories on trump because everyone already knows he's a piece of shit. But vance is new shit territory to talk about.
And then the story is going to change to something else and everyone will forget about it. Americans have relatively short memories when it comes to politics. Plus recency bias
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Casey - You are Perseus, the son of Zeus. Using a reflective shield given to you by the Goddess Athena, you were able to avert Medusa’s direct gaze, but at the same time, you were able to see her so that you could kill her. Therefore, you are the Town Reflector. Each night you may give someone a reflection shield, which will cause anyone targeting the person you gave the shield to have their actions reflected back onto themselves. For example, if Player A targeted Player B and you gave the shield to Player B, Player A’s action will occur on Player A (themselves). The reflection shield lasts only one night (ie you must retarget each night) since you just used it basically once to help kill Medusa, and it cannot reflect the Mafia NK because you didn’t kill anyone with it. You win with the Town.
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Remaining Players:
1. Wylted
2. Whiteflame
3. Earth
4. Lunatic
5. Owen
6. JoeBob
7. Savant
8. Austin
With 8 players remaining, it takes 5 votes to achieve a lynch. The day phase will end in 72 hours on Thursday August 8, 2024 at 10:30pm CST.
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@Moozer325
I think you're a little confused. The average for one four year term is 2.14, and for two four year terms, it's 4.28, not 2-3 as you keep saying. The proposed amendment would make it a solid 4, so it's going from 4.28 to 4, so less appointments.
No, what I’m saying is that your premise of just multiplying by 2 is false because of life tenure playing a factor in the number of seats available to fill.
That's still just a number you came up with in your head. The actual calculated average is 4.28 per 8 years. That is a fact you cannot dispute.
It’s a misleading fact is my point because you’re just multiplying by 2, without considering the nuance of doing so. It’s not a linear relationship.
Still a logical fallacy, but yeah, let's do it.
Not really, because you’re changing the goalposts. But sure, I’ll see you in 30-40 years if the court becomes liberal
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@Moozer325
Yes, but that’s the whole point of an average. Most justices won’t be limited by the time frame.
Not necessarily true. It depends on the sample you are using. If you’re including people from the 1700s it’s going to be skewed.
Or just wait around and it will happen artificially.
Not really. Every election matters. The Senate can change every 2 years and Presidency 4. So you have 2 checks on any activity. If people die, it’s God’s will. You want to have control when that happens. So win elections.
No, I want to decrease it to 2. 18 years and 9 justices. 18 / 9 = 2 so justices get replaced every two years. 4 / 2 = 2, so each term there are 2 appointments, and two terms get 4. It’s simple math. Lol.
Ya but that’s still more than the current average of 2-3 lol, so you’re reducing independence.
No, the average president gets 2.14 per four year term, so they get 4.28 per 8 year term. You are making up a statistic about each president getting 2-3, when it reality it’s four.
That’s not how math works when the terms of justices are unlimited. No President has got 4 since Reagan I think. So the average is 2-3 in two terms, not 4 lol.
You’re right, it probably wouldn’t have, but it’s still a logical fallacy. We had no reason to repair a system that we didn’t think was broken. We didn’t think the system would be abused like this, so there wasn’t a need to fix it.
Again, it’s not abuse to follow the rules that have been in place for more than 2 centuries. And you have zero credibility bringing this policy up because your part is not in power in terms of the SCOTUS. We can talk again when your party is in control.
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@Moozer325
But that's the thing, I just proved that that isn't the case. Justitices stay on average for about 16 years, so a 18 year term limit doesn't even do much to stop people from serving.
But it reduces independence for those who go past the average, especially with lifespans increasing
I don't think you get the point. Sure, the president is elected representative, but they then go on and appoint a random number of justices, so some presidents with lots of support end up less appointments and some presidents with little support appoint a lot. It's not representative.
I get your point. I just think it’s irrelevant. If you want to appoint more justices, win more elections and it will naturally happen. Not my fault Hillary lost. Presidential victory and Senate confirmation occur indirectly via the people, so it’s false to say it’s not representative.
Again, you are just ignoring my statistics. The Average appointments per term is already 2.14, so this law actually decreases the number of appointments!
But you want to increase it to 4 nominees every term lol. 2 in first term and 2 in second lol. When the average President gets 2-3 in two terms. So you’re actually wrong.
That's a logical fallacy, It has nothing to do with the actual substance of the argument at hand.
The argument is that your side is salty that they lost the opportunity to appoint a minimum of 2 justices, and so now you want to change the rules so it benefits your side when my side dealt with a Democrat court for practically all of the mid to late 1900s and didn’t advocate for changing the rules. Let’s face it, this request wouldn’t have come up if Hillary had won and appointed Scalia’s and RBG’s seat.
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@HistoryBuff
Who said she peaked? She's barely had any time at all to campaign.
She peaked because she’s still an unknown entity, a generic Democrat. When they define her, it will go down. You also have a lot of Dem response bias going around in polls.
I would argue biden would still have beaten trump. But yes, he was ahead in the polls. But Trump had spent years and years painting joe biden as old and ineffectual. And while most of what he was saying was lies, alot of it had stuck. He has no time to get that kind of stuff to stick to Kamala. And so far, he's got nothing. All he's doing is showing he doesn't know what a mixed race person is, and that he is super racist.
He doesn’t need to. All he has to do is tie Biden policies to Kamala. The connection is easy. He can also play with her record as the most liberal Senator in the nation.
Trump is a known entity that is true. But JD vance is a whole new ball game. He is a gold mine of horrible, horrible things. He also ties trump even more to project 2025. The guy who was in charge of project 2025 wrote a book talking about how great it is. JD wrote the foreword for the book. Picking JD as VP makes it even more impossible to pretend Trump doesn't support project 2025. And that is SUPER toxic.
The VP pick historically makes no difference. The President sets policy, not the VP.
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