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This got me also. How the hell is lunatic supposed to know what somebody thinks

We can hardly let Earth go anywhere near MYLO/LYLO unless we manage to specifically flip a scum flip forger, yes? Better to resolve the slot this Day Phase and find out if the game is bastard or not. We're likely at 7-2 right now, so we would still have a mislynch to spare if this was somehow incorrect and we would have significantly more useful information about the game.

My justification is that ai love hunting down and killing Jews and I am good at catching liars, such as the French guy in the opening scene. Admittedly I could found a better line to LD, but I think alignment confirming you is still good, especially that Mhar was TP.

Is anyone else's PM formatted like JoeBob's with the role at the beginning?

If Earth flips town then I'm turboyeeting one of Savant/Wylted btw.

I'm skeptical. There's nothing in Joebob's role that stops him from just full deathtunneling Earth. Saying that "Earth is incredibly scummy and I know it" is fully allowed. I don't think he would be that subtle about it.

Gladly. Basically, there are two things that make me doubt whether that death report is genuine and untampered with. First, Beowulf is NOT a villain, at least not in the original story. He's practically a Mary Sue with the way he easily beats everyone while having no real character flaws. The antagonists of the story are Grendel, Grendel's mother, and a dragon. If anyone is aware of an adaptation of Beowulf where he is the villain, let me know, because I am not aware of such a story.

Thanks for finding that. It basically seals the deal. Pretty obvious what joebob was doing there

Anyway, in the case I am not mislynched, I would like everyone to say they win with the town.

One more thing. I actually tried to LD Cerulean #165 when he said he suspects Mhar and Pie is town v town and Lunatic basically warned me he would say idk. So I suppose Cerulean could be town or mafia. Just a little bit of information.

Of course you did, so your claim would look more believable later. No reason scum can't breadcrumb a fake role.

Bro I softed like first thing DP1. I was even worried mafia would pick up me going "hey we should all say I win with the Town  *wink* *wink*"

I am Hans Landa and I am the Lie Detector. Softed DP1 btw. I LD'd Pie's post #217 when he said

I know I’m town,

And it came up as him telling the truth.

Joebob's flip being fake would of course be hugely bastard, so I'm not even going to consider the possibility of that.

That's certainly... A role? I wouldn't expect that sort of information to flip on death, but here we are, I suppose. We could just turbo-lynch Earth unless someone has something critical to relay.

Mhar flipping 3p unfortunately means that Pie/Owen aren't 100% clear. Although they still both look pretty good.

Aside once more: Should we be worried at all about Jester-like roles- that is, a role that intentionally tries to get lynched (and possibly penalizes the voters if successful)? This is more of an aside than actually relevant to this lynch because from the start, Mhar didn't seem like they were intentionally trying to garner suspicion in any way.

wtf he changed his claim to roleblocker?

I am certainly not opposed to killing Mhar here, but I'm not going to insta hammer in the interest of letting anyone else (Casey, Earth, Austin, Barney) give their commentary first. We still have... 36 hours? Somewhere in that range, I believe. There's no need to rush it, especially in the case where we might have someone with Day actions.

...and I would love to hear a legacy from Mhar that goes beyond "Pie scum." If you're really a villager, you need to give us a little bit more, because to be frank, a significant part of this is your fault, and we're going to have a real mess of a day tomorrow.

You never believe anything I said despite how obviously I was town. You are scum.

Hope you found the trade worth it.

I knew you were never going to believe me because you're scum. Why not try to withhold information from you? A lot different than what Austin did.

Fuck off Pie. You're about to take a massive L.

Why did you turn on Owen when he cc'd you instead of admitting you had lied?

Watch Pie, tomorrow he's gonna say I playing like shit and you can't blame him for pushing me.

Indeed, horrifyingly bad gambit, if it's actually real. As a PR you need to know when to fold the fancy fake claiming and be real. Being at L-1 in a semi-upick is not the time to be faking it.

Alright, I'm roleblocker because of how he roughs other drivers up. Wanted to avoid an NK.

Sorry. Bad gambit.

its weak but I can slightly see it.

Something isn’t adding up. 

1. Now he has the excuse of that’s why he’s not getting NK.

2. I don’t see how it’s this big of a deal to the point where it took this long to get out of you. I understand it can block a NK, but I just don’t see it.

I’ll unvote for the moment though.

Mharman is scum. I'm Fidel Castro, and my ability is bullet proof. Unless there can be two bullet proof. 

Holy shit scum can quickhammer. Unvote.

A PR is any role that has an ability... tf are you talking about?

Also, why would I want to setup a claim to cover for being alive in the future? I know the scum team will keep me alive after this for a mislynch.

God this is a witch hunt.

FINE.

Denny Hamlin, bulletproof. The reason being, he roughs up other drivers on the racetrack constantly while almost never receiving any retaliation.

I wanted the wagon to back off so I could bait the NK. Thanks for ruining it... are y'all fucking happy now?

What about anyone you're confident is Town aligned? That's also fairly important, I'd say.

(Aside question- is majority required to lynch, or just to hammer? For example, if the time runs out with a 4-3-3-1 vote spread, does the 4-vote target die or nobody?)

Obvs he means that if Wylted is town (or maybe he town reads him), it helps scum. If Wylted is scum, we don't learn anything. Just because he didn't spell that out doesn't mean his comment is a scum slip.

Fine. Mharman, claim.

VTL Mharman

I agree with the comment Mharman made that you scum read. Character claims help scum since there's no theme split. His point was clear. He could still be scum by random chance, but I don't see his comment as an obvious scum slip.

This is a bit of a mess, to be frank!

This back-and-forth is sucking the air out of the thread, in my opinion.

Pie, do you have any reads at the moment that don't rely on Mhar being scum? This is an intentional redirection, to be frank- I've seen scum hide behind plausible-looking deathtunnels before. Humor me, at least for a few minutes.

Look at him setting it up.

He's doing what Luna did during the last game. I'm not going to push someone for a role just because.

Not if doc stays on him. But he might be the doc, and I'd rather scum don't know one way or the other.

Back off Mharman, dude. He's hinted at the importance of his role, and scum would have fake claimed by now. If we don't know it by d2 or d3, or he'll look sus.

Back off Mharman, dude. He's hinted at the importance of his role, and scum would have fake claimed by now. If we don't know it by d2 or d3, or he'll look sus.

Is this a terminology difference? I use "PR" to refer to any role that has any active ability pretty much.

Nope. The specific PR will help them. You're gonna need me at L-1, but I don't recommend it.

If you don't wanna waste time, stop this stupidity. But I know you won't listen, Pie.

If he is town I will be lecturing him in the endgame for caring g so much about his role, but it looks more and more doubtful with every post

No shit I have PR. Get off my wagon.

If you are town than you should claim and end this distraction so we can start scjm.hunting