ILikePie5

Listen up.

As far as I am concerned, every player is almost 100% confirmed town except Mikal. Tonight, I will solve the game, and tomorrow, I will  100% affiliation confirm myself. If I don't 100% affiliation confirm myself tomorrow, you can lynch me. However, for reasons I cannot reveal atm, I will not reveal anything about my role today.

We need to lynch Mikal today though. His role claim is irrelevant, everyone else has been confirmed town.

FUCK

Recounting.

This was a huge mod error.

I had reason to suspect mikal still

I read that and immediately thought scum slip. I am going to lmfao if you and wylted are driving us off a cliff and somehow you waived the same night luna protected. God that would be great. 

I don't think so. I think there is a very easy solve assuming you are wylted are not lying that should borderline end the game. 

Repeating, there is a solve for this that cannot be stopped if pie puts 2 and 2 together. 

What if RM actually is just playing an extremely ballsy scum gale and we’re all just giving him a pass based on the wifom that “he would never do that” lol

Wait what? if you investigated RM he would not have not got results????

I do feel like Casey is giving up pretty easy.

Can use guys still communicate if one of you dies?

I think you force a full claim and when casey does flip scum. (I believe the Serena claim) because they softed this

What am I missing?

Doubt they will confirm this either way but it heavily limits poe. I think pie got a guilty on casey and shared it with wylted in the mason pm

I think we have enough to end the game if that's actually true. It wont matter. There is a town block of 3 and we have a protect with no CC of the doctor. Game is over if that's the case. Just lynch casey to confirm RMS dream, if he flips scum. I am clear. If not lynch me

that or you both are scum and could have waived to build a doc claim but that would assume you were fed fake claims which the mod says didn't happen. 

Have to buy that. 

Like I said, it just makes it a strong scum role since it appears to confirm him, though it technically doesn’t have anything to do with confirming him.

Fair but still otherwise scum would be forced to use a night kill on one of you to basically accomplish the same thing, and potentially up to two afterwards which can be argued to be kind of busted because they have to waste so many night kills or risk letting a confirmed player live after killing one while they hunt other PRs.

Why is that an issue?

I’m fine with that but if it ends up being true I will laugh and probably point out that maybe we should change our mindset about stuff like that. But for the sake of argument I can accept that most people would probably feel that way and maybe earth would have taken that into account so I can agree to the logic. Also because I don’t remember earth ever really doing anything like that before. It honestly though just feels kind of broken to have two players that can be town confirmed like that from scum’s POV.

are you guys willing to give you result with luna. On god, i'd rather just mass claim at this point. Wanted to last dayphase and now im very interested in it for poe

I think if we do it, has to be you and pie. I'm largely useless atm because I need a dead target. If you both are willing, I think it would help with poe. I'd lke to think out every scenario 

if RM is scum, then the game just opens up but for him to be scum he would have to have claimed dreamer and a semi important character off the rip without a CC. It's possible to go balls to the wall and risk it, I just find it hard to do that with no fake claims 

I’m not even suggesting the results could be fake, just that it could be a scum investigator that shares results in a mason PM. Is it really that bastard or out of the question? Because if we are assuming it is and unwilling to consider it otherwise, and he is scum we are giving him the game.

I could see myself as mod making a role like that just to teach the lesson of “behavior over role analysis” but I do see why people feel that way .

Is there a world where earth could have made a scum role that works this way? I know pie is convinced Wylted is town because results shared in a PM. Is it necessarily bastard though for him to do that? Because I’m not convinced this actually confirms Wylted, but it does make it a really good scum role. Just because I know pie is town doesn’t mean I am willing to accept Wylted is 100% town. I get pies logic but I wouldn’t necessarily call that role bastard either, just strong. 

Scenario 1

Pie - Luna Scum Team

I was thinking from a balance thing on DP1 if I targeted wylted, it may have be designed for me and a (scum if wylted added them) to 1v1. Cus they could nk wylted and fake results. I could be the way to balance that. 

So he recruited you during the DP, then investigates and those results are delivered to the group? I can't say I buy that, man. I had reason to allow it in DP1 because I felt there was a purpose to it, but it sounds particularly strange for this game, particularly with a Forensic Investigator in play.

If you died and Mikal used his role on you, how would that work? You'd technically have received results, even though you are yourself not the investigative role.

I'm willing to full claim, but I'd prefer to get some clarity on WyIted's role in particular beforehand. 

That's not how I recalled it and this made me question my memory, so I checked back. Here's how you described the role:

I don't know why that's true, but I trust that that perception comes from some role or roles I'm not yet privy to.

Read back to what Casey said without being annoyed and thematically it does make sense and fit. It does seem like it was pulled off a wiki page though.  Pie isn’t wrong. 

The justification is good and it’s not saying she died. It’s saying she would have to die to cleanse vampires of their illness which is correct. 

Martyr does Imply she would have died already ? But thematically it’s not an awful claim.

It either pie Luna 

Or one of Casey or RM is scum 

Say we mass claim because if it’s Casey. I want to look at other roles to evaluate that 

What’s his discord tag. Ima asking the same thing again in discord. 

Fair enough. I basically know you are town so if Wylted is scum then it’s just bastard modding. Now are you 100% sure it’s Casey over Mikal? I’ll take your word for it if so, I just want you to make sure you have all the pieces of the puzzle since your not sharing the info, obviously I can’t tell you if there’s something your missing. But Im Just hoping you’ve considered all possibilities.

Head Thalmaor Ambassador in Skyrim. Top agent for the Thalmor and push their interests. Covertly push civil war to hunt down Talos worshippers. Have a secret dossier on the major players in Skyrim that you use to further your interests. Thusly, I am

Forensic 

I just went back and checked the time on this. 

9:14 Wylted claims. 9:17 pie is confirming him 

You want to tell me that all this happened in 3 mins when the dude lost track of votes at the same time he was doing this. He happened to read the exact question and created a discord pm and added you both in 3 mins 

It took him 3 hours to reapond to me once. The next time it was like 7

I checked his status on here and was messaging him at the same time to confirm game shit. 

In general earth cant keep track of a vote count and takes forever to respond 

I’m fine with dying as long as town agrees to kill you and wylted regardless of what you say after I flip. 

I’ll change this when he confirms. 

That was literally a fake claim we talked about using in the last game lol

Always I knew what Casey’s character was dp1. It’s why I said bite me. Cus vampire. 

Target a dead olayer and learn all the results they have gotten. 

Thought it made sense to balance Your role. Hinted at this last day phase. Cus if you picked scum to add I could verify the results etc but the more I think about the more I just think you are bullshitting. Especially how fast the pm thing happened after your claimed. Earth was not even online around that time 

I don’t buy it 

Target a dead olayer and learn all the results they have gotten. 

Thought it made sense to balance Your role. Hinted at this last day phase. Cus if you picked scum to add I could verify the results etc but the more I think about the more I just think you are bullshitting. Especially how fast the pm thing happened after your claimed. Earth was not even online around that time 

I don’t buy it