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Thought about this a lot last night and even how fast they got added to a pm during mid conversation is not earth like. He’s never on and like almost as soon as Wylted claimed pie said he was added to a pm with Wylted and I don’t see earthy responding or doing it that quickly. Plus it would have to be in discord 

Earth also refuses to directly answer me about whether fake claims or roles were given said he would abstain. Which makes it likely that one of the two who claimed early could be fake if he went back on this 

Part of me wants to trust you because pie trusts you and I am fairly confident pie is confirmed town, but with you being on the dreamer results I am a little bit dubious. Tell me if it were me telling you "I think town should just trust me" and roles were reversed what would your reaction be? Just curious, but try to answer that honestly af. If your lying to hype your own argument up I will know. 

I would say out of the three names I'd probably lean the most towards mikal just because some of his logic last day phase was questionable, which as pie pointed out is probably a scum tell. That said I would like claims from you and wylted as well (did wylted already claim? I can't remember).

It is a scummy role claim. I do think its interesting that mafia did not even try to interupt a claimed dreamers results though. 

Sort of, but I only passively block the NK. The night itself doesn't get skipped.

Not quite, I have a variant version. If I am the NK, killing actions are automatically blocked on the following night.

Are you investigative, if not who is the cop to the deputizer???

Can you please fully explain what you and wylted are.

It is not unfair to demand it now.

Very well. I am Serana, an ancient vampire. Basically, there was an ancient prophecy that vampires could lose their weakness to the sun, but I would have to sacrificed first for it to occur. Therefore, I am the Martyr. 

Btw if Savant had claimed vanilla Id have unvoted after it. Its not an easy claim here. In this setuo with powers loke dreamer and deputizer around, a vanilla in town makes a lot of sense.

It in fact would have been the single best claim in terms of les likelihood to be scum there since it wouldnt be designed to bait out anyone.

He assumed things because he doesnt know me. 

The fact Casey readily voted Savant as hammerer tells me clearly Casey is Town.

Casey towntold all dp1. I wont justify it. I can read well.

Savant is a GT troll. I struggled to read him and am not sorry.

Savant -

Hadvar - A Nord soldier in the Imperial Legion, you are Hadvar. At Helgen when Alduin interrupted Ulfric's execution, you escape and regroup with the Legion. Thus, you are Vanilla. You have no special abilities, but you may influence the game with your voice and vote. You win with the Town.

Thoughts ?

Yeah but according to you you can get the rest of the town to go along with your plans.

Or what? You'll hammer me? The thing I'm asking you to do?

Unvote vtl Mikal

Vote him. Confirm it. Shut up.

After all this trouble, just self-voting to confirm my role wouldn't feel earned.

Mikal’s logic seems worse than usual this game. Wondering if that’s a scum tell or a dumb tell.

Why not just ban them from signups?

Why let them enter?

that’s basically lylo mafia. Would be interesting tbh 

So you're going to get a majority of players to refuse to lynch anyone but us for the first two day phases in every single game?

Yeah, and what if Mikal joins me? Which of us are you going to policy lynch?

I don't have to convince anyone if you don't have the votes to lynch me guaranteed. And it's not a guarantee because it could be a bluff, I have no way of knowing.

Yeah, and even if I'm wrong that he could be bluffing, being wrong isn't game throwing.

Yeah, and so what? Maybe I'm the cop and want to hide that from scum, and I think you won't get a 5th vote because that's a bluff.

He could be bluffing.

Why 2? Why not 3 or 1? This is just you inventing an arbitrary standard.

Claiming might be a common strategy, but it's not a rule. As I said, there's no guarantee I'll be lynched for this until it happens.

To be fair he’s not saying he won’t claim. He’s saying he’s not claiming dp1 as a policy reason. 

I’d just convert my strategy and lie everytime and if town keeps throwing then it on them. 

I want an answer from earth. The longer he doesn’t answer the more I’d think someone is willing to claim their shit early and he’s outright refusing to answer me in DMs or in here. That reads me as odd 

There's no "supposed to" as long as my strategy is within the rules.

That logic applies to literally any player.

My gut is really pulling me to wylted pie 

The more I read back

My gut is really pulling me to wylted pie 

The more I read back

So...literally the same thing you're accusing me of? If you policy lynch me rather than playing to my win con, is that not "game throwing" by your standard? I mean it's a strategy meant to encourage certain long-term behavior, which is the same as what my strategy is. Why is it game throwing when I do it but not when you do it?

Also I'm being held to a very different standard than everyone else. GP claimed every game first thing even as a power role, but that was seen as "just what GP does" and not game throwing.

Lynching me every game is already what you've been doing basically.

You'll find I have nothing to lose here, and if you somehow get the entire rest of the town to lynch me every game, then you've made my point for me. I know you don't have the skills to behaviorally read me, but soon everyone else will know it too.

That’s fine. You can go ahead and vote me today instead if you want. 

Nah on policy. I’m also refusing to claim 

So we don’t need to do the mass claim. You guys can figure out the game.