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@Savant
"For balance reasons, Vote Thief is usually Town-aligned."
I’ve literally made a vote thief scum. There is no town incentive to stealing someone’s vote unless you think they are scum. So please explain why Earth is scum?
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@Moozer325
We should still have someone who’s actually confirmable claim the vigilante, so WyIted? I’m only verifiable by DP3, so not me. You said you were confirmable, so I’m for you doing it too.
Wylted supporting giving a 1x Vig to a Vote Thief, which is the scummiest role alive. I don’t blame Savant for claiming it, he probably didn’t know it was a super scummy role. Just wanted to gain towncred by claiming a confirmable role. Anyways: I can confirm myself tomorrow.
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Anyone supporting the plan to give the Vig shot to Savant shouldn’t be getting the 1x Vig. Period. So Savant, JoeBob, Moozer, Casey, and Wylted are eliminated. Barney can’t get it either.
That leaves:
Pie
Earth
Lunatic
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@Earth
Do we have a vote thief? What is causing that?
Savant claimed vote thief and town is willing to give the 1x Vig to him. Thank god I came on right now.
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@Savant
Don't vote, just let the others get it to 6 and I will hammer.
You’re a vote thief scum. You are getting that 1x Vigilante over my dead body.
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@Moozer325
So do we want WyIted claiming the vigilante?
Everyone needs to unvote till I get some fuckin answers. The fact that Wylted was all for this has me worried too.
Unvote. Let’s talk about this, and then we can decide.
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@Moozer325
Well then let’s have both of you confirm, and we can flip a coin or something for which one will hammer, unless one of you has a good reason for why it should be you. Also, does anyone know if you have to use the commuter this NP, because I kinda want to save it for later.
Moozer is town for this
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@WyIted
I can actually confirm myself as soon as we agree. So just let me confirm myself and then let me hammer and we know this is safely in towns hands.
I can confirm myself tomorrow as well.
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ARE YALL OUT OF YOUR MINDS? YOU ARE LETTING A VOTE THIEF CLAIM THE 1x VIGILANTE
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@Earth
Why would you ever agree to this? I'm not risking giving scum a free kill.
+1
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@Earth
@Barney
@WyIted
@Casey_Risk
@Moozer325
Everyone needs to unvote rn while I read through this. Savant just claimed a super scummy role.
Unvote
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@Savant
Wait until L-1 and let me hammer. As Robin Hood, I can steal an extra vote, which should confirm me and ensure a townie gets the vigilante role.
Whoa whoa wait. You can steal a vote from another townie or you are a double voter
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@Casey_Risk
Does Wylted always vote for people DP1 on little to no rational basis? Because I've played two games with him so far and this shit is already getting annoying.
Wylted is a touchy feely person.
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@WyIted
Okay Austin is a library. He will definitely make Trump scum so let's get this over with since we all claimedunvote VTL ilikepie
You’d be surprised by what he said in my PM lol
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1. Wylted - "You are a piece of shit for even asking me for my character claim, fuck you. Now I think you are scum and we should lynch you faggot."
2. Barney - I picked my favorite shirt brand (not that as a statement, but the actual brand).
3. Savant - Robin Hood
4. Pie - Donald Trump
5. Joebob - Erno Rubik
6. Casey - Un Chien Andalou
7. Moozer - Bart Simpson
8. Lunatic - If a Bear fart in the forest, and no one is a round to smell it, does it still stink?
9. Earth - Rohirrim Charge at Pellonor Fields
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@Savant
Since you are Trump, my guess right now is that your role includes a 1x "stop the count" where you can stop voting at any time and whoever has the most votes dies. That's what I think Austin would come up with. Also makes sense since you voted early. Based on this, I think you are probably town, since that doesn't strike me as a scum role.
Why are you trying to guess what things I have?
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I’ll be gone all day. I’m in Canada going to see the mountains, I’ll check back in as time permits or def at night
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1. Wylted - "You are a piece of shit for even asking me for my character claim, fuck you. Now I think you are scum and we should lynch you faggot."
2. Barney - I picked my favorite shirt brand (not that as a statement, but the actual brand).
3. Savant - Robin Hood
4. Pie - Donald Trump
5. Joebob - Erno Rubik
6. Casey - Un Chien Andalou
7. Moozer - Bart Simpson
8. Lunatic - If a Bear fart in the forest, and no one is a round to smell it, does it still stink?
9. Earth
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@Savant
I've posted several times.
Must’ve missed it. Can you character claim and popcorn next person
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@Savant
I think the only person who hasn’t said anything is Savant, so I’d like a full claim from him when he gets on. Not gonna deal with the bs like Austin pulled
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@Lunatic
No whiteflame this game? Feels wierd
He’s chilling on a cruise
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@Earth
Maybe I am a little tired, but not sure how useful claiming our character is.
Why? It locks people into claims early on. Then when everyone role claims, we can see how valid their roles stack up against their character. Unless you said something like “Cop” which I stg if you did
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@Barney
1. Wylted - "You are a piece of shit for even asking me for my character claim, fuck you. Now I think you are scum and we should lynch you faggot."
2. Barney - I picked my favorite shirt brand (not that as a statement, but the actual brand).
3. Savant
4. Pie
5. Joebob - Erno Rubik
6. Casey - Un Chien Andalou
7. Moozer - Bart Simpson
8. Lunatic - If a Bear fart in the forest, and no one is a round to smell it, does it still stink?
9. Earth
Barney, can you confirm that what you typed is your actual character and not Aerie or something like that
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As long as characters aren’t insanely obvious of roles, it may be prudent to lock people into character claims. Then when everyone full claims, we can see if the justifications make sense with the character.
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1. Wylted - "You are a piece of shit for even asking me for my character claim, fuck you. Now I think you are scum and we should lynch you faggot."
2. Barney
3. Savant
4. Pie
5. Joebob - Erno Rubik
6. Casey - Un Chien Andalou
7. Moozer - Bart Simpson
8. Lunatic
9. Earth
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@JoeBob
does your role have something to do with votes?
No, you’re assuming things
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The hard part is probably going to be deciphering whether abilities work with the characters because you could probably make a justification for anything
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@Savant
@JoeBob
So Donald Trump?
I will neither confirm or deny
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@Moozer325
Yeah, but it has gotten worse, no? We are starting to see very real signs of the climate turning, and even if it's not totally top of our minds right now, we still need to do something about it.
They said we’d be underwater by now. It’s fear mongering. Innovation is how we solve this, not cancelling coal prematurely.
Frankly, Putin would have "done whatever he wants". You can't say that one of Putin's best friends when it comes to world leaders would have stopped him doing something. Trump still maintains that Putin can "do whatever he wants", so why would you think the opposite?
Let’s see Putin’s history. Obama presidency, takes Crimea. Trump presidency, takes nothing. Biden presidency, invades Ukraine. Putin can do whatever he wants, but he knows Trump isn’t weak like the other two clowns.
Exactly what I'm saying! I hate Biden for this, but at least he's slightly better than Trump.
I love how you ignore my rape example. Biden brought back catch and release. Biden eliminated Remain in Mexico. Biden ended Title 42. Under Trump, the border was the safest and most secure it had been.
He isn't going to build a wall and force Mexico to pay for it, (why did anyone think that was going to happen?), and whatever Biden is continuing, Trump did worse and will do worse if elected.
Well Mexico did indirectly pay for it—via the tariffs. And no, Trump will end Biden’s open borders policy and close the border by reimplementing remain in Mexico and ending catch and release. What “worse” will Trump do? Build a wall to give Border Patrol enough time to apprehend the crossers? The same wall that they as the experts have said they want countless times? But ofc Biden is smarter than the people who do this on a day to day basis as a full time job. It’s ridiculous.
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@Moozer325
Maybe not yet, but it’s definitely up there. In about a decade or two, it will be the biggest problem that the world faces.
You know what’s funny? Al Gore and the Democrats said the exact same thing in 2000. It’s been two decades.
I also don’t like the relationship that trump has with Putin,
Do you think Putin would have invaded Ukraine if Trump was President? No. Do you think Biden is a stronger leader than Trump? Who do you trust more to keep Americans safe from our foreign adversaries?
and Trumps attitude towards the border has also been very inhumane. Biden hasn’t been great on many of these fronts, but has been better.
Inhumane? Did you know the Biden administration has continued the child separation policy at the border? The very same thing Biden criticized Trump of? Do you think it’s inhumane to deport violent criminals instead of releasing them into the US with a court date and no way to track them? Do you think Biden and the Democrats are responsible for the Ecuadorian illegal alien who kidnapped and raped a 13 year old in broad daylight? The same illegal who had prior minor convictions that were just given a slap on the wrist because of the policies of the NYC City Council and DA. Give me a break.
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@Moozer325
His policies and Ideas align more with mine than Trump’s do.
Such as? Lemme guess: you think climate change is the biggest problem America has right now
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@Moozer325
I don’t have problems with his age like anyone else, my main problem is that he’s too moderate, but definitely better than trump.
How is he better?
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@TheUnderdog
How would Americans have a worse quality of life due to more customers coming here?
Quality of care will decrease. More low skilled workers, same amount of doctors = worse care
The GDP per capita of undocumented immigrants (with all the job restrictions that they deal with) is comparable to the Canadian GDP per capita. Canada is not a poor country.
Low skilled Americans can increase the GDP will higher wages.
What does it mean to pass down costs? Companies make a profit margin of a comparable amount whether there are more or less people in the US, but they make more profit due to more people buying their stuff and more of their stuff being produced, creating more jobs.
Again, why don’t they do that in their own nations?
Every other country in the world is based on an ethnicity; America is based on an idea; Liberty. This is what makes America the greatest country in the world.
America has laws and sovereignty. By definition, if you accept everyone then America becomes more like Latin America. There has to be balance, not just allow people to pour in. As for liberty, why can they not do that in their own nation?
I agree, but this will raise little revenue for the federal government compared to the deficit.
It’ll make a dent. Discretionary spending is still 30-40% of the budget.
You've just lost the elderly vote (who normally goes republican). We are keeping social security, and that's what Trump said.
Do you even know how social security works? It will eventually become insolvent, which is when it will have to be reformed. Let it run on until it becomes insolvent, then people will realize.
Trump wants us involved with Israel, but you are right on Ukrainian interventionism.
Trump has said he wants Israel to end the war quickly. Not the US. Israel. Right now Biden is actively hindering Israeli operations because of “muh human rights.”
Yes; free trade should be mutual.
So you agree we need tariffs until other countries agree to remove their tariffs. Great—vote for Trump
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@TheUnderdog
- America should be run like a business. Buisinesses don’t care if you are documented or not; they just want your money. This country should be run the same way and this means end deportations; have our borders be as open as the Harley Davidson buisiness is, and use massive population growth to grow our GDP to stay ahead of China.
That’s irrelevant to the quality of life Americans currently have that will suffer. Not to mention that most that come are low skilled laborers who will solely provide cheap labor. And if your hypothesis is true then businesses wouldn’t pass down costs. Either way, it goes against common sense that we wouldn’t have a border while every other nation does. Sole disarmament never works. Period.
- You support tax cuts. What spending cuts do you support in order to make your tax cuts for the globalists a reality?
Cut foreign aid. Cut the Department of Education. Let social security and Medicare collapse under its own weight, so the band aid gets ripped off.
- What particular foreign policy are you referring to? His Israeli foreign policy is not putting America first, so I don’t approve (same with Ukraine).
His policy is not having war. He will end the war in Ukraine. End the war in Israel. Hell he will not get into any other wars.
- I believe in capitalism and the free market; I therefore oppose tariffs on any country that both (does not use child slavery) and (does not have marital rape legalized in that country). But other than that, I believe in capitalism, free markets, and free trade Bill Clinton style.
You believe in capitalism and the free market, but other countries don’t. So again, why should we be the only country that’s idiotic and gets ripped off, while other countries don’t. Free trade is great…if it’s actually free and other countries don’t tariff us.
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@TheUnderdog
Which ones?Do you like his policies? Or do you only like his vibes?
Immigration, tax cuts, foreign policy, trade
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Trump’s policies are better
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@AustinL0926
don't forget how i tried to subvert the democratic process as well by registering two of my friends to vote for rm
We all know Dems are the kings of voter fraud
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@AustinL0926
you try balancing a game with dozens of different possible actions :<but uhh yea im working on it
No
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@Barney
I just discovered something horrifying, which would make for an entertaining character claim…🌚
Barney the dinosaur
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