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@whiteflame
I guess. Honestly, I think waiting until you were revealed as innocent was a mistake, since it meant attention was split between you, Vader and Luna throughout much of DP2. At the very least, I think outing how the RB works would have helped explain why you were buddying each other from the start of the DP, which kept unnerving me.
Lunatic did do that. He stated he was voluntarily roleblocked by a player and that the player was town. By the end it was obvious I was the person
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@whiteflame
Point taken, but given that the risk of refusal was being scumread, it seemed like he didn't have much of a choice in the matter.
I was given mod advice by Austin to be careful not to force town to choose between their role or donating. Plus my whole goal was to drive attention towards myself to get reads going, so when I’m revealed as innocent, I could use it.
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@whiteflame
I would've put the odds at 50-50 if I was in your shoes. Honestly, whether he was town or scum, he had every reason to accept the RB to have you townread him, especially since his partner could always carry out the NK regardless.
Thats true, but from a game perspective, getting your role hampered by town is very negative in the first place. Even if he did accept, he’s putting a significant amount of risk that scum can’t keep up with town actuons
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@whiteflame
In retrospect, I really wish I'd just gone for the Gladiator when I was convinced Luna was scum in DP2. I was really hoping to have it come in more clutch in DP3, but I should've known I was going to be the NK in NP2. At the very least, that would have forced the decision and put the spotlight on him, but I couldn't shake the doubt that something Pie had done had somehow town confirmed him, and since I couldn't get Pie to open up about it in DP2, I decided to wait.
I mean it’s pretty towny to willingly be roleblocked. Still I gave the 10%. Gladiators are always town too so Lunatic would be the best option
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@Lunatic
Would me showing up innocent on your investigation have made your decision lynching moozer any easier? I was trying to gamble whether you would visit me or moozer hard, and in the end I decided to frame moozer instead. Turns out I had the ability to both make him look guilty and make myself look innocent that night, but I wasn't big brained enough to piece that together lol. I sat there thinking about it for hours too. I big dumb.
Ya I probably would’ve asked Austin the same question. And if he answered the same way, it’d still doubt it. If you came up innocent and Austin gave the same answer to WF, I would’ve lynched Moozer. Also you couldn’t use both lawyer and framer. Only one role from each list.
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@AustinL0926
Moozer... honestly I'm not even sure why Pie lynched him other than POE. Dude was towny af throughout. Besides, you'd have to assume that he managed to come up with a brilliant fakeclaim with town's ONLY PROTECTIVE ROLE straight off the bat. Really?
WF could also protect. I figured Mafia had some sort of strengthener role too with the 50 million roleblockers
Pie: How did you not notice Luna was blatantly buddying you??? I'm not going to criticize three mislynches because there were reasons behind all of them, but Luna was making it too obvious by the end.
I did actually. DP3 I was seriously considering a Luna/Moozer team. But I lynched Supa cause of his claim coming into contradiction with Savant’s. Then it came down to the investigation, where I was thinking only a bus driver or Redirector could affect the investigation. And you said both could, which was 100% inconsistent with WF. I investigated Luna for the exact reason that I was suspicious of him. But in the end it came to how well noob Moozer played and the fact that Lunatic waived 2 nights. Even during the game, I had a 10% doubt in my head that Lunatic would donate as scum too. When WF died radar bells started ringing in my head. Also, Savant being the Miller and having two roles was another reason why Moozer having two roles was suspicious af. I didn’t like Luna’s claim either—just didn’t say that. Literally I had a pro con list going in my head and it was basically even with what I read in the previous DPs. But like I said a couple of times, if Luna is scum, he played really well.
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@Moozer325
Also DM me your discord info in case you are selected as scum
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@Moozer325
Does it matter that I don't know anything about the theme?
Doesn’t matter at all. Not many people will prob know so research will be key
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@Earth
@Lunatic
@Barney
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@Moozer325
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@AustinL0926
It wouldn't have been affected by a roleblocker or redirector (yes, he did say that specifically). So, while a Godfather might fool it, I think we can confidently say that the result is the one I got on Earth, not the result of some change of target.”
You could’ve clarified this too. This clearly implied that he thought his action couldn’t be manipulated by a RD, BD, RB etc. So basically he misinterpreted what you said, and you didn’t correct him after telling him that in the first place
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@AustinL0926
And that would've been based on a misinterpretation of what I said, but oke
If something was given to me, I used it, which is the exact same interpretation that WF used.
Which again, could have affected the results if Earth got collateraled by them
But again his action was a day action, meaning it couldn’t be interfered with. You said so yourself
I do owe Joebob an apology for that one.
The 100 roleblockers also didn’t do any favors.
Come take it up with mafiascum modding rules :)
Here’s the problem. MafiaScum would say that WF’s actions could be manipulated
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Literally the only reason why I doubted my result was because of the BD/RD
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@AustinL0926
Oh, one more thing - even if you think my active action thing was ambiguous, it wouldn't have mattered anyway, since a Lawyer/Framer/Tailor could still affect the target. So the investigation was never confirmed as reliable.
Godfather was already outted. There was a less chance of Framer, Lawyer, Tailor, wtv. Trust me that I didn’t even think about that. If you told me the same thing as WF. I would’ve hammered Lunatic
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@Lunatic
By the way, fuck you pie for making me waste the coolest role I’ve ever gotten in mafia lol. You should have seen how pissed I was every time you targeted me. I had such devious plans with my role and you foiled it! But I didn’t want to think of trying to justify my way out of not complying so it seemed the better of the options to just forfeit my role to you.
Lmfaoo post your PM, I’m curious. All those hints Austin game made it seem like scum had broken powers
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@AustinL0926
So the Cop that was given to me. Can it be roleblocked?This was what WF said: “Also, I was told this after the fact: the action I took was not considered an "active action." I asked for clarification, and what that means is it doesn't behave like a normal night action. It wouldn't have been affected by a roleblocker or redirector (yes, he did say that specifically). So, while a Godfather might fool it, I think we can confidently say that the result is the one I got on Earth, not the result of some change of target.”
The whole active passive action thing is also bastard
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@Lunatic
@whiteflame
@AustinL0926
Refusing to answer something generally constitutes an answer by itself.
Or here’s a thought. You could be consistent
I asked: “So the Cop that was given to me. Can it be roleblocked?”
This was what WF said: “Also, I was told this after the fact: the action I took was not considered an "active action." I asked for clarification, and what that means is it doesn't behave like a normal night action. It wouldn't have been affected by a roleblocker or redirector (yes, he did say that specifically). So, while a Godfather might fool it, I think we can confidently say that the result is the one I got on Earth, not the result of some change of target.”
Corporate needs you to find the difference between these two
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@whiteflame
The role was a little confounding, but I don't know if I'd call it bastard. Also, at that point, there was always the chance that your role would be manipulated by something, whether it was a Godfather, Framer, Lawyer or Tailor, so there was always room for error.
Supa was GF so Framer, Lawyer, Tailor wasn’t even a question for me tbh. I wasn’t even thinking about that.
He literally said your investigation couldn’t tampered with
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@AustinL0926
I told whiteflame that him being roleblocked or redirected would not have affected the result of the investigation. Giving more info than that to him would've been unfair tbh
How’s that unfair? You could’ve just said “I can’t answer that.”
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@Moozer325
Well, sorry if anything I did contributed to this outcome. Kinda sucks that we came this far just to lose. Oh well.
You did fine. Believe me when I say that I was conflicted till the last moment
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@AustinL0926
It wasn't bastard lol, Earth just didn't explain his role properly. Earth was the one carrying out the investigation, and you were choosing the target. Thus, redirecting or roleblocking Earth would cause the investigation to be tampered with, while redirecting or roleblocking you would not.
Then why’d you tell WF his investigation couldn’t be tampered with
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@Lunatic
I scouted you last night that’s how I knew I had to claim one role was tampered with and pray to the wifom gods you would buy that
Your claim was Null to me anyways. I would’ve lynched you if Austin wasn’t bastard this entire game
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@Lunatic
Austin was a bastard mod. He told me that the cop could be RBed, BD or RD, which is opposite what he told WF
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@Lunatic
Well played. I did get a guilty on you but Austin is a bastard mod
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@Lunatic
I absolutely promise you i'm not scum here man. Not been my best game, but neither was the office mafia and I was town there too lol.
Even if you are scum, definitely well played. Like your play since the beginning of the game has been brilliant
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@Earth
@Lunatic
@Moozer325
Can yall please not take 24 hours again. I want to end this tonight before I sleep. Submit your actions in advance
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@Lunatic
Well theres been no quick hammer, so that confirms what I already deduced, one of vader or moozer is scum.
It rules out you and Earth team for sure
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