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@Earth
I could probably be convinced it's Moozer, but I want to get Vader first. This would probably be a good time to try to get theme spilts sorted out.
The problem is that scum are 100% fake claiming. I’ll give you mine tho at this point. I’m lichess.org and am the Doner-Dependent Innocent Child. Each day I could choose a person (change as many times as I want before the hammer). In the night, the person I chose would be given a message asking for a donation. If the player gives the donation, the player will also be roleblocked. I chose Lunatic twice.
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@Earth
I would like to here ur thoughts since ur basically confirmed town
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Who do we want to lynch first tho. I think Supa is the better option
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I will reread again but right now I’m pretty sure it’s Vader and Moozer
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@Moozer325
What, if anything, have you asked Austin about your role?
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I think by POE it has to be Vader/Moozer.
The role confirmation thing, the Pawn being a part of Black Pieces. Voyeur seeing that Earth was roleblocked meaning that he did visit him.
We also know that Lunatic has not moved DP1 or DP2 and that scum have no incentive to agree to being voluntarily roleblocked.
Vader and Moozer are the only ones who have non-everyday roles (1x and Even Night). What also strikes me is that Savant as a Miller was a combination of two roles—Miller and Soldier. Moozer is the only other combination of two roles—Doctor and Strengthener
I’m leaning towards Vader right now, but I’m going to sleep on it and make my decision after work tomorrow. Earth, please do not vote yet. Everyone, feel free to present to me arguments for why you are not scum and the others are scum
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@Lunatic
Character: The Elo Rating SystemRole: Mathematician
Thank you
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@Earth
@Lunatic
@Vader
@Moozer325
To avoid anything like what Barney did. May he rot in hell. Can yall exactly tell me what character and role you have. Like Barney was The Pin for character and Conditional Roleblocker for the role.
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@Earth
It's probably Vader Luna tbh.
Nah Vader Moozer. Play has been atrocious all game
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@Lunatic
@AustinL0926
And this is why new players should be hydras with someone or have a mentor
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@Moozer325
I did use my action. I protected myself, and made vader's action untamperable.I now admit that I was wrong here, and Pie, I apologize you were correct.Going forward, I can see how I might be a good choice for scum, but I am not, and here is my reasoning.Pie: Obviously ruled outEarth: If Vader is telling the truth about earth getting roleblocked, I think it's the pretty safe the say that they are town, but I could be wrong.Luna: Probably fine because they are mostly going with you Pie, but I could see that as a strategy maybe?Vader: Same thing as Luna I think, I'm fine lynching either one of them.Still need a bit more info here, but this is where I stand for now.
Ur joking right? You didn’t protect and strengthen the Cop? Seriously
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Okay cool so POE it should be 2/3 of Vader, Moozer, Lunatic. But logically it should be Vader and Moozer. I see zero reason why scum Lunatic would willingly be roleblocked
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@Lunatic
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If Barney is town, that leaves Vader, Whiteflame, Moozer. Just a matter of finding them
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I’ve never seen this garbage of gameplay in my life if he’s town.
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@Moozer325
See here’s the problem. I’m not very inclined to believe you. You keep saying everything will work out tomorrow, but that seems like a pretty obvious stalling tactic, because tomorrow, you can take out someone against you, and you can steamroll over everyone else. This is why we have to vote pie or Luna tonight!
That’s just wrong. It’s not a stalking tactic. If I am lying then you lynch me. It’s pretty obvious. Who can I take out? If I’m lying I’m screwed. My personal guarantee should be enough. I know it’s hard, but since the beginning of the DP Lunatic has been communicative to me and his behavior is also towny af
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@whiteflame
Ignore Lunatic for now. Everything will all make sense when I explain it tomorrow or die in the night and my flip is revealed. Can you just hammer Barney so we can move onto tomorrow. He’s literally grasping at straws
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@Barney
Nice job liking your own post. And what lie? That you wrote 290 so the quotations from it aren't from you... What possible scum power would enable me to post as you?
You’re actually delusional. I never once said I investigated JoeBob guilty and for that reason his is scum in NP1.
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@Moozer325
Yeah, obviously Barney won’t vote for himself, so that will tie it. If we don’t want that, I think our best bet is to get Vader of Barney, but that will be tricky.
It’s very easy to get Barney…
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@whiteflame
Barney keeps talking about some claim that JoeBob had been confirmed guilty… I think by Pie, though I do not recall any such claim.
Cause it doesn’t exist.
I do think it’s odd (and have expressed as much) that Pie has strong reason to believe Luna is town, but has also said that he has some means of proving himself next DP, but given the role setup this game, I can at least fathom some strange pairing of roles that cannot be used together or that would have been difficult to use together that could explain why Pie is doing this. It’s not a lot to go on, and I’d prefer that he just clarify his reason for townreading Luna and leave the full claim until next DP, but he seems adamant that he has to delay and if I don’t see a really good reason for that by DP, then he’s on the chopping block.
There is a reason. Just trust me on this. Everything will all make sense. There’s a 90% chance he’s town. It also rides on your claim tomorrow. But as of now I have no reason to suspect Lunatic based on his interaction with me.
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@Moozer325
I’m not goi to convince the die-hards here, so this one is mostly aimed at Vader and Whiteflame. Even though barney claimed late, he still did claim, while pie and Luna have not. I urge to join me in voting pie, and Same goes for you barney. The four of us can make a voting block, and take out the real mafia, but if two of us are stupid enough to get fooled, then we’re done for.
Why are you allying with Barney when he has literally lied about me lol
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@Moozer325
It’s fine if you don’t want to claim, but if your going to be aggressive at getting others to claim, the you have to claim also.
That’s not true at all. To get claims from others, you have to convince others to help you via voting the person. We got 3/4 votes on Barney and forced him to claim. You’re welcome to do that right now, but with less than 3 hours left, it makes no sense to do so.
Then why are you forcing everyone else out? You keep contradicting yourself, just like themafia would.
We force people to out who we think is sus. Barney refused to claim for at least 24 hours. Then he investigator and Roleblocker and when someone mentioned MD, he didn’t bother correcting it. And then he changed his role to The Pin which means his character is the same as his role. Weird. It’s not contradictory to hunt for scum. And it’s not like I can do it alone. I have to gather support from other people. Everyone can do it, not just me. It’s not contradictory.
Sam thing here. You’re defending your not claiming, and then going after other people to claim, so you can have more information about who to kill.
It makes sense if I said my role was not confirmable. But I said my role is confirmable. Meaning that if I was lying about my role, I would be caught tomorrow and be lynched. The same cannot be said for Barney
Mark my words, if I’m dead before the next morning, it was you or Luna.
We don’t know who’s going to die. But if Barney flips town then tomorrow is LYLO and we have to reevaluate all of our priors
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@Moozer325
Mostly because they have actually claimed. You are insisting on stalling by saying, “my role is confirmable next round”. Sure it might be, but why can’t you just tell us in advance, because that’s what everyone else it doing! Sure I don’t “know” anything, but it’s not just that your aggressive, your doing exactly what the mafia would do, not to say that you are mafia, but you’ve made a much better case for yourself than Whiteflame, and maybe Barney. I could be wrong, but this is the hill I’m dying on.
Because my role is confirmable. And the less information we give to mafia, the more likely they make a mistake that benefits town. Just because that’s what everyone else doing doesn’t mean it’s the right option. Outting roles only benefits scum because they can work against town since they know their roles.
What am I doing that mafia would do? Not claiming? It’s very common for town members to hide their roles for the fear of being killed or interefered with in their actions. The only point I will claim is if I’m one vote away from being lynched. And even then it’s going to be a net negative to town.
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@whiteflame
Why do you think Barney is pulling shit out of his ass?
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@Moozer325
I am doing the opposite of bandwagoning. I know that two of either pie, you, or Vader are scum, and the other is just bandwagoning. My guess is the town one is Vader, but if it’s you, you need to wake up, or we won’t have enough votes to be able to lynch anyone.
How do you know that. Point out where I said I knew JoeBob’s affiliation DP1 before lynching him. It never happened. You’re literally buddying Barney so hard for zero reason besides “Pie is aggressive,” which I am every game.
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@Moozer325
Pie: More likely to be scum mostly just as he’s been very aggressive hounding out other people. I would put him in direct opposition to Whiteflame, so if Whiteflame is scum, pie is almost certainly town, and vice versa.
I’m always aggressive in hounding people. Go read my town games and scum games. It’s not affiliation indicative. What makes Whiteflame scum if I’m town though?
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@Earth
@Barney
@whiteflame
@Moozer325
For anyone having a hard time following, in post #269 I did an analysis on Pie and Lunatic. They both gave basically the same highly unintelligent response of denying it exists.Pie is now jumping up and down claiming he never wrote #290 (nor have I quoted him at all "You didn’t quote me" (see above for repeated direct quotations)), in which he proclaimed his DP3 role reveal will magically explain his every action, including how he knew Joebob was scum.
No. I said my role will reveal how every weird assumption that Barney is making that somehow I am a day cop, messenger, roleblocker, is just wrong. He is assuming all of this (not true) based on comments other people including Vader have made. I know my role. Lunatic knows my role partially. I never once said I know JoeBob’s affiliation. Never. If I say I’m confident JoeBob is scum, or I’m certain he’s scum, it is hyperbole based on the information given. Clearly I was wrong last DP. But if I said I knew Joe’s affiliation, why would I lynch him and then say “oh I knew JoeBob’s affiliation DP1.” It’s blatant gaslighting.
Oh sorry, if you believe he wrote 290, like the author name on it suggests, you're a meanie who's gaslighting him!...
And im a “bully.” Go on.
I admit I have a much harder time believing this wanton stupidity from Lunatic. Either way, I'd bet a hefty sum that they're the scum team. With Lunatic falling back into the shadows, my money is on them being the more valuable of the two mafiosos.
There’s nothing stupid about anything Lunatic has said. You’re purposely twisting his words and coming up with random shit to cause chaos.
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@Earth
I prefer a Vader lynch. Honestly I been overwhelmed. Someone give me a TL;DR.
He’s next on the POE list
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@Earth
I prefer a Vader lynch. Honestly I been overwhelmed. Someone give me a TL;DR.
Vader can still give us results. Barney is negative utility. His character is the same as his role. And he’s just mischaracterizing everything I’ve said for no reason
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@Barney
OMG! I just told you.
Where did I say JoeBob is 100% scum? And even if I did, how does that mean I knew his role?
Are you actually going with the paint chip defense?
I’m just saying your assumptions are grounded on imperfect information and therefore are wrong yet you just keep doubling down.
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@Barney
He's a new player, with one off powers, and no clear person in need of defense. He was unlikely to move. Further, someone claimed initiating movement has no chance of catching scum claiming to have a role which does not move. Information gets gathered to catch people in lies.
So you assumed that he was unlikely to move. And who claimed initiating movement has no chance of catching scum. So my understanding is that you targeting WF because you wanted to catch him in a lie?
Let's see who is gaslighting who...
There is nothing there to see lol. I have an interaction with Lunatic that leads me to think he’s town and vice versa. I will reveal this tomorrow.
Lets see, you claim that your role is how you knew with certainty that Joebob is scum
Where did I say that? And how does that indicate I knew JoeBob’s role? I clearly didn’t because if I did I wouldn’t lynch him lol.
, and all will be revealed in DP3... Saying your role told you, sounds a lot like you saying your role told you. But it's "gaslighting" to literally quote you. You poor sweet child, the world must be so very harsh.
You didn’t quote me. You are running on imperfect information and because of that you are misinterpreting everything I have ever said. You’re the one assuming things based on the little knowledge you have and it’s cute.
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@Barney
Pie has stated that his role how he knew with certainty Joebob is scum (an addition to what feels like a half dozen other powers, which can't be revealed until DP3).
I have not. Please point to the post where I said that.
His only defense of that is claiming that calling him out on his word is "grasping at straws."I suspect he'll backtrack and blame eating paint chips as a child or something.
Lmao. I never once said that JoeBob is scum 100%. I said I’m confident he’s scum. I don’t know anyone’s role with 100% certainty
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@Vader
This point is too narrow minded btw. There’s no reason there needs be a 1 of 1 trade off because there is nothing to trade on. It’s not it’s a CC or anything on that lines. You are also forgetting what I said in 251 and earth and Whiteflame. I highly doubt there are 2 roles where you can communicate or give actions to others. Would be way brokenLet’s also consider the fact that at this moment, no cop (besides the 1x given to WF) is in this game or claimed so far.
I’ve fully stated that today I want Barney lynched. Tomorrow depending on what happens (results, etc) I can change my mind. My POE right now is Barney, you, Whiteflame, and Moozer. If tomorrow ends up being MYLO/LYLO all bets go away and I reevaluate everything anyways.
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