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@zedvictor4
He was in the wrong, that is why he had to come back and apologize to me and why the company requesting the repo sent me a refund on my next car payment.
I couldn't have hugged him. When I made physical contact the police were called, so apparently physical contact was not welcome
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@Tradesecret
Why is that a problem? The real world and materialism are both solid objects that I can touch and taste and smell and observe and hear if necessary. I am a physical being. I'm not sure why thinking I am not is a better option.
As I said. It is good we have this illusion of material, so that way we can operate in the world around us. It's useful to think that way.
Even if it supposed to be the mind of God. My computer is not my mind. My beer that I am drinking is real. It is not in my mind.
It is real and it is mind.
If I was being attacked by a murderer I would resist the murderer. I would not embrace the pain that comes from being murdered. Is this what you are talking about? Or are you suggesting that while I am being murdered, that the pain I am feeling, I ought to embrace- in order to rectify the situation?
I would say yes, if it is unavoidable, focus on the pain. If it is avoidable, rectify the situation, defend yourself and then live in the pain.
isn't the idea of illusion negative? Isn't the idea of divine thoughts masquerading as reality negative and deceptive?
No, none of those things need to have negative connotations.
Why can't the divine express things positively - not as an illusion but as reality - as something transparent?
There is no difference between illusion and reality. Illusion is the synonym we are using to understand the concept of mind.
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@zedvictor4
Enlightenment.Is a hairy fairy notion of specialness, achieved by going ommmmmmmmm....Together with a group of similarly special people also going ommmmmmmmmmmm.
Enlightenment, is for everyone. It isn't meant to be just for a select few, and it doesn't make one special
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@Tradesecret
That's not very helpful. Why not try and understand the world from the position that everything is real rather than an illusion?
Because typically the word real is associated with materialism, and thinking of things in a physical fashion.
I don't understand. Is the mind real or an illusion? How can something be both real and an illusion? I thought that a thought was just an idea not a reality.
That's why when talking about any concept touching on the concept of non duality, it is often better to just call things an illusion. Thoughts are real. The universe is God's thoughts.
Why would a divine want to hide any reality? I don't understand "made up of mind". And again - non-material masquerading - sounds negative and deceptive. Not positive and enlightening.
Things being "made up of mind", is a hard concept to explain, as it is to understand. For practical purposes, living in a non physical reality does require the perception of a physical universe, so it is easy to manipulate out environment. Just Google "all is mind" or something and see if you can get a better explanation. If you don't, I will find a better way to explain it later.
In a bizarre way it sounds like you are recommending we embrace the negative to pass through the negative or illusion to get to something positive which is coming from a divine mind that is itself negative and deceptive.
I would say embrace any pain or suffering you feel, so that way you don't repress it. Repressed negativity has a way of staying with people and feeding into more negativity.
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@Swagnarok
From drug use?
No, from trauma.
Guided to read? What guided you to do so?
Book 1- by it appearing before me in the middle of the road having been ran over by cars and rescued just prior to rain pouring down
Book 2- visited 3 thrift stores in one day and the book was in all of them
Book 3- brother checked it out from the library and I kept tripping all of it.
All that plus intuition.
This is based on an incorrect reading of Scripture.
You say that, but then seemed to confirm it with your interpretation, but using different rhetoric to describe the same thing. I said sin led us out of the garden of Eden. You said this
The Garden of Eden had the status of a "temple", or a designated space set apart where a man beheld God. Man was contextually impure as a result of his sin and had to be made pure before he could return to the temple
I referred to this impurity as the demiurge, and you refer to it as sin. Ultimately it means the same thing. Something is shielding us from experiencing God.
The solution to the problem of sin is beyond one's self and it is submission to the God who first calls you to Him.
Agreed.
, "The heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked." This is called the doctrine of total depravity, which is often misunderstood.
What you call the heart, I am calling ego.
Until then, however, any effort apart from God to realize the spark and promote its flourishing is nothing more than self-deception.
We haven't really said anything different.
I never hear these things in church though, so not sure where you are pulling the concepts from. Any reading recommendations would be great.
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@Tradesecret
When you mean the world is an illusion - does that include EVERYTHING or just material things? For instance - is enlightenment an illusion or even the idea that "I am a god"? Or are these concepts things that are excluded from being an illusion?
It's a tough concept to explain. This is why this esoteric wisdom is often given through imagery, particularly through understanding the qabbalistic tree of life.
All is mind. This means that the world though an illusion is still real. Reality is the thoughts of God pouring out.
It is both real and non physical. To call it an illusion is to reveal that it both hides the divine reality and that it is made up of mind. Non material, masquerading as material existence.
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It's actually pretty scummy to speculate on a soft claim
Unvote vTL computernerd
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I took it to mean the entire book of Genesis. I think the word is flexible though
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Perhaps he is taking a long time, because he wants to be precise to limit civilian casualties
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Doesn't seem pertinent to this game and I'm not interested in engaging with... whatever this is.
Consider it a soft claim. Either in this game or on the identity of the messiah. Your choice. I am the only martial art mentioned in the Bereishit though
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@Deb-8-a-bull
One question.Would the " world " thats like , life as you know, exist without you in it ?
I am the alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I am timeless. Without me, reality no longer can exist.
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@RationalMadman
It's not a new idea and it has truth to it, though I don't personally go to the whole ego death level, in fact I reached that point during a very bad depression I had in my own life.
Yes, you are describing an ego death. I experienced the same thing and slipped into about a decade long depression. It was a very bad experience. This new experience is different.
If it happens again, don't be scared of it. Lean into it. Realize you are pure consciousness and that your natural state is one of bliss and creation. That the world no longer matters.
Also, don't repress your negative emotions as a result of whatever caused you to spiral into ego death. Fully feel those emotions. Don't stop feeling them, until feeling them is complete, it is the only way to truly let them go.
That's why a baby can go from crying after a tumble to complete bliss as his mother comforts him. He feels the emotion as fully as possible and it just goes away.
We unlearn this as we get older. The problem with holding onto the emotions is that mind wraiths feed on them, and your own thoughts will keep you in the demiurge. The mind wraiths, want you to suppress your emotions, so they can feed off of them indefinitely.
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@Swagnarok
Did you come to this realization yourself or did you learn from a teacher/book/website/whatever?
It came from a combination of ego death, revelation and a few books I was guided to read through circumstances, such as finding them laying on the side of the road randomly. For example 3 I read over this last 2 week period, one in which I found in the road and rescued it from cars running over it was called the psychology of money, the other is called "The greatest secret" and another is called switch.
Pieces of these books called to me, visions occurred and wired dreams.
These concepts aren't entirely unique. They were revealed and discovered by me, but I believe the concepts can be found in many belief systems and replicate the same process or describe a similar thing using different words.
For example whether you call this world the demiurge, the matrix or Plato's cave it means the same thing. The Bible doesn't have a single name to describe it, but original sin took us out of the garden of Eden and put us in a world that hid from us our divine spark.
We have this knowledge in our collective unconscious. When you are near a Buddhist monk or a priest exhibiting this calming auto that effects you when you are close, it is the same enlightenment that both have attained, with neither aware it is the same thing. The priest of course considering the concept of heaven the real world and escaping the chains of this one.
Of course not all priests or monks achieve this sort of enlightenment. Only a few do.
TLDR: piecing together wired parts of different books over a 73 hour period, visions, ego death and likely a bit of hypomania.
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@Swagnarok
It's a state that happens after ego death. Ego death can occur without it, but many refer to the state as hypersanity. Kind of like a character in a show who can break the 4th wall. It is the knowledge of the fact that the world is an illusion, and that "I am" God.
There are artificial means to induce this state like hallucinogens, but it can be achieved naturally as well, which I will explain in my next post when I get a break at work.
You can't just believe you are in an illusion, but you have to understand how far the hallucination extends and what you truly are.
Some will realize the world is an illusion and not reach enlightenment, because they have no ideal their very own thoughts are a part of this demiurge as well.
So who are you? You are the state of awareness that is listening to your thoughts. Once you detach from the world and even your mind, you can feel this awareness and who you really are
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@whiteflame
When I spoke to your descendants in the burning bush and referred to myself as "I am", what do you think I meant?
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@Vader
I love you, and am glad we are playing this game together. please give me your thoughts thus far.
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Those who seek enlightenment, can achieve it in this thread. I offer you, what you seek. I will give you the rest your mind requires. Ask me questions about how to achieve enlightenment, and I will answer them.
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I said this elsewhere on the site, and this may hurt my ability to play mafia, but I had an ego death as a result of some recent trauma. I have emerged from the other side as God. God does not lie. I do not mix, fact with fiction.
If you want to RM, I can bring you the peace you seek. Your mind is a cluttered mess and I offer a solution. It won't be easy, in some ways it is danagerous, but if you make it to the other side, it will be worth it.
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@RationalMadman
for these purposes, I was using the words skill and character interchangably
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@RationalMadman
Just that the skill was important and everything else related the role to the character.
first sentence = skill is important
rest= how role relates to character
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Look, I grew up in North Carolina. I believe you should be able to fuck animals if you want. However the argument that if somebody got an erection or had an orgasm during rape, that it makes the rape acceptable, is a little silly. It is an involuntary response to stimuli, and enjoyment of it, even when present is not forgiveness for it or even retroactive permission.
Also, a dog giving into his base instinct and humping your leg is not an invitation to fuck it.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
1. Bestiality is not inherently immoral2. Anything which is not inherently immoral should not be illegal.
What do you base premise 2 on.
We literally slaughter animals to eat, so fucking them has got to certainly be more ethical than that, but premise 2 seems weak. Why do you assume premise 2 is correct?
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@RationalMadman
Which martial art are you
If your theme split is correct than out of the 2 scenarios you mentioned, the second potential scum team you mentioned is correct.
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Also Floyd Mayweather was being a coward by not facing mcGregor in an MMA match, which is a better representation of fighting skill
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@Earth
Yes. It was created as a kind of mix to see what fighting form was better but leaned on an odd mix of kickboxing, boxing and wrestling
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You have a very unique way of thinking that lunatic doesn't likely share. I'd throw your theme analysis out the window and focus on behavior until we have more information
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@oromagi
Absolutely not. That's a terrible persuasion tactic for anyone who doesn't already agree with you.
I would say a lot of the negativity that comes off as genuine, was because I was more interested in tweaking my belief systems, than sharing my belief systems or persuading. Some of it, was also no doubt from edge lording, but that was the minority of that.
I have been off the site for some time, because I experienced an ego death. You're not even talking to the same person now.
For all intents and purposes, you are talking to a God. This is a great opportunity for you to get some of those questions that nag us, before we reach enlightenment, off your chest.
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Anything which is not inherently immoral should not be illegal.
This is why I know you are not ADOL. ADOL, would never say anything this clearly fallacious.
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You are seeking something ADOL. You won't find it here. You can only expand your consciousness so much doing these sorts of thought exercises.
If you want help, gaining what you actually seek, PM me and stop arguing with the dead.
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@Lunatic
I am only telling you this because I care. I have recently went through something that was traumatic for me. Nothing that isn't a normal part of most people's lives unfortunately, but something that deeply affected me.
I experienced a sort of ego death. I can't explain it, but it has given me enlightenment. Perhaps this is a temporary state. Perhaps not.
The stoics would say to drop your expectations. Not just of friends but of everything in general.
If you really want to escape this pain, and live in bliss, I'll take it a step further though.
Pain, comes from attachment. Drop the attachments.
I have more advice, but I don't want to overwhelm you. Live in that negative emotion for now, and let it meet it's conclusion, so it can dissipate and not affect your subconscious.
Their are mind wraiths, that feed on negative emotions, keeping them in your subconscious, will keep you possessed.
While you are exploring the negative emotion and drawing it to it's conclusion, remember you are not that feeling. You are not any thoughts that arise out of that feeling. In fact you are not thoughts at all.
The divine spark, that is you is called "awareness", if you do want to meet the true you, that has been hidden by the demiurge.
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Most conservatives support the Ukraine, and most of the ones who claim to support Russia are just edge lording and not serious.
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I have recently realized that negativity is an easier sell than positivity. A lot of great things are happening, but only bad things get highlighted. It works the same with predictions. Negative predictions sound realistic to many, when positive predictions which may even be more likely to be true are ignored.
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@sadolite
There is more to this story that isn't being told. Finance companies don't want to reposes cars and would rather have the car be paid for. They go to great lengths to work with the buy before resorting to repossession. There were numerous attempts at communication before repossession became an option. Repossession is never a finance companies first option. Like I said there is more to this story than is being told. There are always two sides to every story, "Yours and assholes".
There really isn't more to the story. They called me up and apologized. There was no debt. They just fucked up and maybe they got to clients mixed up, but we were fine. I was in complete shock when that pussy snuck up in the middle of the night, as opposed to being a man, coming at a reasonable hour and n=knocking on the door
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@oromagi
@Athias
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@BearMan
I'm sure posting a profile picture helps. How about actually doing something that helps and parting with $5 you fucking losers. https://www.savethechildren.org/us/where-we-work/ukraine?cid=Paid_Search%3AGoogle_Paid%3AEmer_Ukraine%3ANonbrand%3A022422&s_kwcid=AL%219048%213%21585132117591%21b%21%21g%21%21donate+to+ukraine&gclsrc=aw.ds&&gclid=CjwKCAiAsYyRBhACEiwAkJFKol9wUSl4MRpdUrvw4wI4_P3HQctC9Xr4VYHActStzaVtQqKbW20vhBoC9PYQAvD_BwE
Let's be honest, you guys won't do shit. Collectively this site won't even raise a measly $100
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@oromagi
Germany today massively increased its military spending. Germany is preparing for war with Russia.
I follow German media quite closely because I am learning German. When I stated this it was true but it appears Germany has changed course https://www.vox.com/22960493/germany-chancellor-reversal-defense-war-russia-ukraine
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@Dr.Franklin
I just hate how Slavs claim to be more white than me. Not possible fuckers. I mean I get a good tan and all. I don't burn in the sun, but my heart is more white than any living slav
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@Dr.Franklin
I wasn't even sure I believed it until I read that Zelensky literally shuts down media that criticizes him and tried to arrest his only real political rival
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The president of the Ukraine has a history of shutting down t.v. stations for opposing him. https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-zelenskiy-bans-three-opposition-tv-stations/a-56438505
If you are pro ukraine, you are anti freedom of speech
Zelensky also tries to shut down criticism by putting political rivals in jail. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/19/world/europe/ukraine-poroshenko-zelensky.html
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@oromagi
The American government says Russian soldiers are your friend, and that they fight for freedom. https://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc230/m1/1/
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It's sad I have to remind the Europeans on this site of this, but Russian people in general. Particularly ones who are immigrants in your countries are not responsible for the invasion of Ukraine. That is on the leaders of Russia.
We have Russian born people being threatened with deportation as a punishment to Russia. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/28/russians-denounce-collective-punishment-for-ukraine-invasion
There are individuals with Russian accents that are being harassed or have to hear rants about how their mother Russia is evil, some of these people may even be patriots who love Russia and disagree with the current power structure.
Be nice to people, assholes
A lot of Russians are literally risking their lives to protest the war in the Ukraine, please stop being pieces of shits. I am talking to you, liberals. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/24/we-dont-want-this-russians-react-to-the-ukraine-invasion
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@TheUnderdog
You said Reagan was for open borders.
How exactly do you define open borders?
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@oromagi
The whole idea is to promote America's influence and reputation in Europe which is why America's enemies hate and fear it.
I do have some sources that say that there is divisions inside the NWO movement a small segment wanting America to be the leader in a tighter global community. Certainly that is preferable to an NWO where America is an equal partner. It is not superior to the sovereignty of every nation though. I'd like to see some evidence that the bilderburg group is not Europeans dictating to Americans what to do as opposed to your suggestion it is about America leading the globe.
But Ventura is a famously dishonest person- not just stupid or wrong but lying under oath about talking shit about Navy SEALS at a Navy SEALS' funeral in front of that dead man's mother.
The Jury did not think he was lying under oath. Chris Kyle claimed to have punched him in the face. It looks like Ventura proved this was bullshit and won 1.8 million from it. I think Chris Kyle over all is a proven bullshit artist and his war hero claims are easily disproven bullshit, particularly his kill count and the incident with Ventura who by the way was also in the Navy and supposedly an American hero for going overseas and putting his life on the line for Jewish foreign policy interests.
Who do you think you are talking to, chud? Your take on the Miami Apartment Bldg collapse last summer was "cheap jews get what they deserve" Your only approach to every topic is sensational propaganda.
I keep arguing with you, because I always think there is a chance you will be able to analyze my thinking and correct my presuppositions. You came close when you criticized the fact I think sensationalism and propaganda are the tools of liars, and brought up Jesus. However that is not going to persuade me because it doesn't address my premises for thinking that, only my conclusion.
I don't know if you realize this, but my priority on this site is not to teach, it isn't to spread information, it isn't even to debate, though I am better at it then you. It is simply to expose the parts of my thinking I think are most likely to be wrong. If I thought I was right, I wouldn't even share the opinion. The cheap Jews did not get what they deserve. maybe there is a lesson about being cheap in there, though.
I engage with you, because I sense you can unwrap that premise and tell me how it is wrong, as I intuitively sense that my premise is wrong. I just can't prove it.
Perhaps people can be honest in their general opinion, and engage in dishonest tactics like sensationalism and propaganda. However I would have to understand the reasoning behind somebody with the correct opinion doing so, to give them credit for being honest. Part of what I base my belief on is that, honesty should be the most important thing. If the truth is laid out, it shouldn't need to be sold or wrapped in pretty little bows. It should be shown. How am I wrong to think this?
If you want my analysis of the Ukraine situation, than it is as follows.
Russia desires a buffer zone between Nato and itself as well as access to the black see, so they can export oil for cheaper. Nato has made a strategic error by pushing too hard to bring Ukraine on board which has made Putin feel like his hand was forced. Nato should not have pushed so hard, and Putin should not have mounted an invasion.
Here is what we can pretty much assume will happen.
1. Putin will retreat from Ukraine after making his point and having zelensky promise to not join Nato, parts of the separatist regions will either be annexxed or create new states so the Ukraine can continue to be independent while Russia maintains a buffer zone by using the separatist regions.
2. Sanctions will be lifted on Russia when countries like Germany who depend entirely on foreign oil and energy push back against russian sanctions because it also harms their economy.
3. Russia will declare victory over Ukraine meanwhile Zelensky will be painted as a hero for having defeated Russia diplomatically, despite russia walking away with everything they wanted.
I think this is a very nuanced thing and I am supposed to be cheering for NATO, but I think the fact everyone is playing politics while a bunch of people are dying is disgusting. All sides should have seen this coming and could have resolved it diplomatically, sparing a bunch of lives, particularly the lives of innocent people just trying to live their day to day lives.
You ultimately are an imperialist for democracy and would like to see it spread. I think democracy is an illusion and the wealthy pull all the strings. I sense you come from the wealthy class, which is why you are fine with that sort of arrangement, but I am less fond of being ruled by rich people who are out of touch with reality and have zero empathy for the poor.
I have read several of Maddeline Albright's books, so I understand your POV. She gives a better defense of those exact principles than you do btw, and yet her analysis falls short because it is overly pragmatic, which is why she gets into hot water for saying the invasion of Iraq was worth all the civilian lives took. She gives pragmatic reasoning, but not moral. The only time she gives reasoning that is not pragmatic is when she talks about refugees. She imagines America has a duty to the world, instead of having a duty to it's citizens. Her justification is merely that she thinks spreading democracy is the right thing to do.
In her writings she differentiates between fascists and tyrants. Fascists as the leaders who are for the people and have the crowds stand behind them. Tyrants are another repressive type of ruler who uses doesn't have large swathes of citizens behind him, but just the government. Perhaps she spends her time ranting about fascists because she belongs to the ruling class and is fine with tyrants, perhaps she thinks tyranny is no longer a threat to the world.
ALl I know is that you have done very little to show me the mistakes in my reasoning by offering merely an alternate conclusion to mine instead of engaging in understanding my argument and addressing the premises
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