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@Vegasgiants
There's a big difference between White nationalists wanting their own space to do their own thing, and White supremacists who think they're better than everyone else and want to rule everything and everyone.
I've made arguments for White separatism via nationalism many, many times and have zero interest in having White rule over Blacks, Hispanics, Asians or any other racial group. I am more than happy for Blacks, Hispanics, Asians etc. to have their own nations wherein they set their own rules. That puts me squarely in the White nationalist group.
The fact that you think any White nationalists are automatically White supremacists shows how anti-White you are for pathologizing Whites having their own groups, whilst being hypocritical in allowing every other race to have their own groups.
You are a hypocritical, racially hateful person.
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@Sidewalker
Just like everybody else, you know they don't contribute anything, there is no value in hatemongering.White supremacists are simply jealous of blacks because they are so incredibly inferior to black people, and everyone knows it.White supremacist prejudice against blacks emerges from the depths of the underbelly of society. Economically, intellectually, morally, educationally...white supremacists are an inferior subculture in every way, just like everyone else, black people look down on you, they feel sorry for you. You have simply converted your shame into hatred.All the white supremacist can say about thier existence at the bottom rung of the societal ladder is "Maybe we have failed in every way, but ummm, well, we're white, that's our accomplishment. You hate blacks for thier better jobs, better educations, greater societal success, despite systemic prejudice they have run right past you losers like you were standing still, because you are standing still. Like the dinosaurs, you people are going extinct, and for the same reason the dinosaurs went extince, you can't adapt to a changing world, and you have a brain the size of a walnut.You say I'm a troll because I speak the truth, that's because you have no defense whatsoever, because it is the truth.Trailer park white trash "supremacists", what a bad joke you people are.
0/10 too long, no one will read it.
Your trolls need to be short and sharp. Writing paragraphs are for people serious about the topic, not you.
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@zedvictor4
If you ask the right people the right question they will say the right answer.Nonetheless, more than half the "Blacks" polled gave the wrong answer.If you had polled the appropriate "White" audience, the results would probably be similar.
If, if, if...
Doesn't exist.
Bearing in mind that black and white doesn't actually mean black and white, but rather but a recognition of dissimilarity based upon geographical origin, ethnicity and perpetuated historical grievancies.
How many times do I have to explain to you why 'Black' and 'White' are genetically valid social constructs? I've explained this to you multiple times, every time you brought this talking point up, and you still bring it up like a total idiot.
Black and White people are genetically distinct groups. You need very few loci/SNPs to categorize people even into super basic terms like 'African' and 'European' (formal analogues for 'Black' and 'White') Human races exist (debateart.com)
Also bearing in mind that you and your cronies perpetuate racial antagonism, just as much as your "Black" counterparts do.
In America, White people are the only race you can discriminate against. White people are constantly under racial attack in various forms. Not expecting White people to fight back is delusional.
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@Double_R
The correct neutral position is to not be sure if they're mentally ill. The non-neutral position would be to assume they are not mentally ill.You aren’t paying attention, at all.You are now talking about the neutral position with regards to what we believe. My statement which you have yet to address is in regards to the default position on how we treat people.Actions and beliefs are not the same thing. You can be neutral when it comes to whether you believe someone is worthy of your respect, you can’t be neutral when it comes to whether you treat them with respect.
We've discussed this before and I've already stated my position. Again, I'm fine with respecting transgender people as people. I think basic human decency is fine to give transgender people, and that to me is treating them with respect. I am not fine with respecting their claimed gender. You're still trying to lump those two things together and it's just not going to work with me because it begs the question.
I don't think by default we should respect people's claimed genders. Furthermore, I think it's harmful to respect gender roles, in the case of transgender people, because I believe their claimed gender extends from mental illness.
You have given yourself a burden by declaring that we should respect transgender wishes to become the opposite biological sex.No, I declared that we should respect people’s wishes until one can reasonably conclude that doing so would come at a cost to themselves or others. If you seriously want to argue that premise you are more than welcome to explain why we should not. I’d love to hear it.Once that very basic premise is accepted and you claim we should not do so for the transgender community, you have necessarily given yourself that burden.
You haven't given us a reason to respect people's wishes by default. It's just logically incorrect. I don't want to engage in your negative proof fallacy because it doesn't make sense.
In any case, I've already argued the harms to transgender people, if you decide to indulge their "wishes" by default. You've already heard it plenty of times. We are we rehashing this again?
The question now becomes: does mental illness cause with transgender suicides to any degree?No, the question we haven’t yet gotten to is: what is mental illness and what qualities about it make it worthy of concern in this context?I’ve asked you half a dozen times already to define it and explain why it matters, curiously you continue to ignore it, I suspect because you have no idea how to define it in any way that aligns with your evidence and your point.
I don't know why you've now decided to rehash all these old talking points that we've covered.
Mental illness is basically a neurological condition that causes a person to see a false distortion of the world/self.
I've routinely argued that transgender people's perception of their gender is a mental illness. I have the brain analysis evidence, the post-op evidence etc. Do you need me to rehash those, too?
Once again, you’re the one who is claiming the 76% gap here is filled with mental illness.
No.
I claimed it wasn't a result of victimization. That statistic was used to counteract your claim that victimization was the reason (later a reason) for transgender suicides.
This was part of a counter-argument.
I’ve already provided reasons to help fill some of that gap which some of your studies agreed with. Your studies didn’t study them in any depth because that wasn’t the point of them, so your exclusion of them is entirely baseless.
Spouting random reasons doesn't make for valid argument. You need evidence to support your claims. Waiting for me to post more studies, so that you can attempt to use those as proof for your argument, isn't logically valid -- you should have the proof beforehand.
I’ve also explained to you that we’re not trying to fill the entire gap as people do commit suicide regardless of their gender orientation. You continue to pretend otherwise.
I've already acknowledged that you've changed your argument to this.
Again, this is another rehash.
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@Sidewalker
Do you think Black people, overall, are a boon to America? If so, how?Do you think white supremacists, overall, are a boon to America? If so, how?What exactly do whte supremacists contribute to society?What is the value of thier contribution?
3/10 pretty weak troll.
You're getting better, though.
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@IlDiavolo
I can't talk about South Africa because I've never been there but I can do it about Brazil since I've worked and lived there
Yeah. If only people collected objective facts and data about South Africa that could be used instead of visiting it.
So I'm pretty sure that if any brazilian heard all the bullshit you are saying he would give you a very hard kick in all your racist pale ass.
Oh. So, it's like they're irrationally violent and wouldn't be great to be around?
Kinda like what I'm calling Brazilians.
Way to make my point for me, dumbass.
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Well, I hope you liked all the bumps for your thread, TWS.
Was a good way to relax after work whilst listening to music.
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@Vegasgiants
Look at you run from my question.It must terrify youHahahahahaha
You never answered mine.
You gave a politician's non-answer.
Have another go at responding to this: Stay Away From Black People - Scott Adams (debateart.com)
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@Vegasgiants
I think they are great. Clearly some if them are our best and brightest and make our country better
You're not defining your terms, so I'll start to define them for you.
In regards to invention, which could be considered to represent "best and brightest", Blacks are severely underrepresented, even at the per capita level: Blacks and Hispanics are rather useless when it comes to invention (debateart.com)
How can they be considered the "best and brightest" if they're failing to register more than a blip at the top?
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@Vegasgiants
You didn't answer.
I asked what do you think of Black people, not what you think of a specific sub-section of them.
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@Vegasgiants
Clearly they are. Some of our best and brightest are black.
What do you mean by best and brightest?
What about the other Blacks?
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@Vegasgiants
Well we have them and can kick your country's ass any day of the week.So why are you guys so weak and powerless with all your white people? Lol
That's not the question you were asked.
Do you think Black people are a boon to your country?
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@Vegasgiants
You misspelled IS.You have all those white people....but you can't keep up. Lol
Do you think Black people, overall, are a boon to America? If so, how?
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@Vegasgiants
Because it's true. We have all these black people yet we are so much richer and more powerful than youFacts are facts
Yeah, that's how great America was.
You had a massive social and economic drain, yet you still managed to be a world superpower.
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@Sidewalker
Are you saying your white sheet fits too tight?
Yeah, it fits tight on my bed.
That's something to be envious of.
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@Vegasgiants
Yet it can't compete with the US. Is it full of stupid people?Hahahahaha
You keep saying the same thing.
You okay?
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@Sidewalker
Of that I am sure. LolShe wears the white sheet because it fits so well.You wear tighty whities because mommy still buys them for you.The source of your racism is penis envy, right?
There's nothing racially hateful about what I said.
You don't need a penis to wear tighty whities, and people certainly aren't envious of them.
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@Vegasgiants
And you are ashamed of your own country. Lol
Nope.
Another wrong assumption.
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@Sidewalker
Of that I am sure. LolShe wears the white sheet because it fits so well.
You wear tighty whities because mommy still buys them for you.
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@Vegasgiants
Yeah but it is still beating your countryYour country is weak and powerless and begs us to defend it. LolDon't worry....we have some great black soldiers. Lol
I didn't say it was. You're trying so hard to nick my ego. It's quite adorable <3
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@Sidewalker
If you are afraid then you are afraidI'm not afraid of you. You sound very small.Careful Vegas, she sounds very big.She's twice the man you are.
Are you attempting to shame me for not conforming to gender roles?
Aren't you meant to be a Progressive?
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@Vegasgiants
Big enough to say where I'm fromThe USAHahahahaha
You're not big where it counts.
And yet we are still richer and more powerful than your countryWhat are you guys doing so wrong that you can't compete? Lol
Your country is declining.
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@Sidewalker
You sound like a White supremacist. You're making arguments against a multiracial state.Ah yes, the deeply intellectual "I'm rubber, you're glue" argument, white supremacists are really good at that debate thing LOL.
Your parents should have used a rubber and then glued their holes shut.
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@Vegasgiants
If you are afraid then you are afraid
I'm not afraid of you. You sound very small.
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@Vegasgiants
And it prospers now under diversity....while you hide behind our wall of freedom
Nope. Racial and cultural diversity has done nothing but divide America.
Black slavery caused a massive war. Blacks continue to want free money for that.
Hispanics have their movements to reclaim parts of America under La Raza.
Native Americans get free land because they're native American.
Asians get screwed over at universities because "too many" would get in if there weren't racial quotas for Hispanics and Blacks.
Jews siphon money from America into Israel.
The list goes on...
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@Vegasgiants
Or maybe you are just afraid you can't defend your country
Are you really this ignorant about information? You realize that what you post online stays there forever?
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@Vegasgiants
Our diversity has led to our greatness....while you beg for protection
America was founded in White nationalism and prospered under it.
I didn't really beg for anything.
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@Sidewalker
Empirical evidence hasconsistently linked low intelligence with prejudice.You're actually making my case for me.Part of the reason I don't think multiracial states work is because people are too stupid/tribal. It's these grug brain people, of all races, who prevent your magical multiracial states from existing in harmony.Way to shoot yourself in the foot lolol.This stupid response proves my point.What's it like having your own argument and sources used against you? You must feel like a massive idiot for getting so easily outsmarted.What a complete idiot you are hahahahThat's why people look up to white supremacists of course, because they are so smart.
You sound like a White supremacist. You're making arguments against a multiracial state.
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@Vegasgiants
And yet it does continue. Your country can't do it.Why are you guys so weak and powerless?
America was and kinda still is an international superpower. You can try and snip my ego all you want, but it's clearly true.
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@Vegasgiants
By knowing what country you live in?????I live in the USACome stalk me. LolYou are afraid
You're quite naive, aren't you? There are people out there who can do A LOT with the tiniest bits of information.
It's not a good idea to be flippant about this.
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@Vegasgiants
You live under the umbrella of freedom we provide.Just say thank you.You should be grateful
I am grateful for the protection America provides, so thank you.
I'd like to see that continue into the future. Importing boatloads of 3rd world genetics and dumping them into White spaces won't make it continue.
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@Vegasgiants
Because you are afraid you can't defend your own countryHahahahaha
No, it's because there are stalkers online (like IWantRooseveltAgain) who like to use that information to stalk people.
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@Sidewalker
Empirical evidence hasconsistently linked low intelligence with prejudice.You're actually making my case for me.Part of the reason I don't think multiracial states work is because people are too stupid/tribal. It's these grug brain people, of all races, who prevent your magical multiracial states from existing in harmony.Way to shoot yourself in the foot lolol.This stupid response proves my point.
What's it like having your own argument and sources used against you? You must feel like a massive idiot for getting so easily outsmarted.
What a complete idiot you are hahahah
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@Vegasgiants
Fix your own country. Where is this paradise you call home?
You're not entitled to that information, IWantRooseveltAgain.
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@Vegasgiants
Except you will never have to deal with the fallout. It's easy to scream from the sidelines when you are not in the game.Stick to improving your own country. We are busy protecting you and don't need your help
America's existence certainly affects a lot of the rest of the world, including my country. I am indirectly involved in this game, but that doesn't actually matter anyway.
My ideas to improve America should be independently judged. Your ad hominem attack is irrelevant.
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@Sidewalker
@Vegasgiants
Empirical evidence hasconsistently linked low intelligence with prejudice.
You're actually making my case for me.
Part of the reason I don't think multiracial states work is because people are too stupid/tribal. It's these grug brain people, of all races, who prevent your magical multiracial states from existing in harmony.
Way to shoot yourself in the foot lolol.
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@Vegasgiants
Why not answer my direct question? You think your country is fine the way it is but you want America to radically change. Why should we care about the opinion of a foreigner that won't even have to deal with the mess you want to create?
Me being a "foreigner" has nothing to do with whether my ideas would be good for America. The ideas are independently good or bad.
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@Sidewalker
-4/10 trollPeople just feel sorry for you.Yes, and people look up to white supremacists.
I didn't know that. Thanks for the information.
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@Vegasgiants
Are you an IWantRooseveltAgain alt?
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@Sidewalker
-4/10 troll
People just feel sorry for you.
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@Vegasgiants
Why not answer my direct question? You think your country is fine the way it is but you want America to radically change. Why should we care about the opinion of a foreigner that won't even have to deal with the mess you want to create?
I'm not answering anymore of your questions until you acknowledge all of your assumptions about me were wrong and answer this question: are you a IWantRooseveltAgain alt?
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@Vegasgiants
Why complain about America if you don't live there? What business is it of yours how America lives?
Hahahaha
You just keep pivoting from topic to topic.
Your assumptions were horrendously wrong and you won't acknowledge that at all.
I suspect you are an IWantRooseveltAgain alt, but that's just a guess. Your irresponsibility and intentionally bad reading comprehension is awfully similar to his.
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@Sidewalker
1/10 troll didn't bait me nearly enough.
This is the least funny troll I've seen you post, too.
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@Vegasgiants
And yet you complain about it. You have the opportunity to live in a country that is over 99% white but you won't pick up and go there.You just want to force others to move
No, I haven't complained about my country ever on these forums.
I am complaining about America.
Since you haven't got anything right so far, let me make it super clear to you: I am not American.
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@Vegasgiants
My country is 90% White. My country has virtually no Black people. I can count the number of Black people I've seen in my area on my hands.
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@Vegasgiants
Bullshit. You guys talk a big game but you will not give up your home and start all over somewhere else. You would want guarantees of a home and a job
Wrong.
And what us stopping you from moving to a almost completely white country now?
The area and country I live in are majority White.
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@Vegasgiants
I would happily give up my job and home to go and live in a White nation.
Nothing hypocritical about that. Are you reading the right response?
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@Vegasgiants
So you are willing to give up your job and relocate under this plan?Somehow I think your plan always involves the OTHER guy having to move. Lol
If I was living around 3rd world slums and hillbilly culture, I would move in a heartbeat.
Fortunately, I don't currently live around that, and that was 100% intentional by me.
Again, the racial divisions could be made to facilitate the already established racial majorities.
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@TWS1405_2
Race is the most important factor in politics. It's also tearing America apart and burning a lot of time and effort on false narratives.America's racial issues need to be fixed in a legitimate way, rather than calling White people racist over and over.Don’t you find it irritating, in the least tiresome to keep having to spell out the obvious to some people?I mean really; truth is never racist but liberals just hate the truth and repetitively call it and the one saying it, racist.
To some degree it's irritating, but I know it's winning people over. It's also allowed me to sharpen my message to provide good arguments in quick time.
I don't even acknowledge their loaded word anymore. I just point out how the truth is not racially hateful. That's enough to convince normal people.
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@Savant
and 1/4 of total polled were actively against people being WhiteStay Away From Black PeopleDo you really think segregation, voluntary or otherwise, is going to improve race relations?
I don't know how many times I have to say it before you people listen: I want separation, not segregation. I don't want Blacks and White living anywhere near each other, unless voluntarily. Segregation isn't far enough away from each other.
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