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@Vegasgiants
You are the one that wants to separate whites and blacks by states....right?  Lol
Absolutely.

Give Blacks and White their own states. There's nothing wrong with ethnic nationalism and it's actually better than a multiracial nation. Look at South Africa and Brazil to see the end game of your melting pot experiment. We need to get the competing races separated before there is a massive racial war that wipes out countless innocent lives.
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@oromagi
You really need to stop with this victim-blaming line of argument because it's not convincing and it's super toxic.
I am specifically addressing the hyper-repetitive spamming of the same highly provocative claims over and over and over and over and over again.  SInce the topic is always the exact same, why not just add information to a single forum.  Why the super needy, super provocative repition?  It really drags down the tone of the whole website.

Your compulsive repititon is the source of toxicity here.  Please grow up and exhibit stronger self-control.
Your absolute refusal to acknowledge any hardships experienced by White people demands repetition. Again, you've responded to genuine racial hatred of White people with victim-blaming. You're still toxically anti-White DESPITE all the repetition.

If the poll results were instead that 50% of White people didn't think it was to be Black, you'd be up in arms and calling everyone racist. But, since the racial hatred is directed at White people, you're going to completely ignore it and blame the people complaining about the obvious racial hatred. That is toxic and racially hateful.

People of your kind require the obvious racial hatred of White people shoved in their face "over and over and over and over and over again", not because I think there's any chance you'll stop being racially hateful of White people, but to show others what a racially hateful, toxic hypocrite you are.
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@Lemming
No positive or successful examples are coming to my mind or Google searches yet.
Though I haven't Googled that much yet.
Remember the alternative is keeping the United States together, of which is already quite a divided country. Some places are already segregating/separating.

The amount of social and economic capital expended on dealing with racial issues, conflicts and riots is a massive expense. 

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@oromagi
We get it:  you hate black people.
You really need to stop with this victim-blaming line of argument because it's not convincing and it's super toxic.

Scott Adams was saying all this after he saw the poll wherein almost half of Blacks polled weren't okay with people being White (and 1/4 of total polled were actively against people being White). That's a racially hateful, alarming statistic that was so shocking that even someone like Scott Adams, who was an advocator of Black people in the past, was turned off after reading it (I go into more detail here): Is it okay to be White? A lot of Black Americans don't think so (debateart.com) 

You need to deal with the racially hateful Black people first, rather than blaming White people for being upset about their skin color being not okay with a sizeable chunk of the Black US population.

Do you really have no other topics, interests, hobbies, information going on in your head?  It seems you like you are suffering from some kind of racist OCD and irrationally hell bent on inflicting your nasty spam on the residents of this site.  Race and racial differences are legitimate topics on this site
Race is the most important factor in politics. It's also tearing America apart and burning a lot of time and effort on false narratives.

America's racial issues need to be fixed in a legitimate way, rather than calling White people racist over and over.

Some true statements can also be racist.
There's nothing racially hateful about the truth. Your claim is sheer nonsense.
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@Lemming
I 'do think you'd have more success with average people,
In framing it as people having governments and laws that represent themselves,
Rather than we don't like X people.
Yes, I agree.

It's still true that I don't like certain types of people, though. 

Though really near everyone dislikes 'some type of X people,
And a number of laws exist for 'some X people,
Though usually for cultural/nurture reasons,
Example, criminal X people, like child molesters being restricted from certain locations or having to self report to their neighbors.
The average person doesn't consciously accept heritability, moreover genetic reasons for differences in racial outcomes (i.e. Blacks committing more crimes than other races). It's a taboo subject in the Western world. Cultural/nurture reasons are 100% okay.

Hm, not much information on Wikipedia about New Africa,

Doesn't seem to have 'lasted all that much in popularity though, I think.

"The RNA’s popularity and influence diminished with most of its leaders in prison, but it still claims a membership of 5,000 to 10,000. Its headquarters have been moved to Washington, D.C."

"On July 1, 2013, Chokwe Lumumba was sworn into office as mayor of the city. After eight months in office, Lumumba died on February 25, 2014. Lumumba was a popular yet controversial figure due to his prior membership in the Republic of New Afrika, as well as being a co-founder of the National Coalition of Blacks for Reparations in America."
The term I used was purely theoretical. It's only incidental if it's already in use. I think that part of America should just be given to Black people, so long as other racial groups get parts to call home, too.

I'm not familiar with New Europe,
Though it looks more a coalition of European countries based on geography and keeping against military aggression,
Rather than politics, purity?
New Europe is just a name for a collection of US States that are majority White already and would be happier under White nationalism.

None of these places exist yet in America.

Aztlan,
Seems more a myth or historical theory of where the Aztecs migrated from.
This would be land for Hispanics.

I'm just showing you that you could theoretically split the union, have reasonable divisions, and make everyone happier :)
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@Double_R
My study doesn't conclude that victimization is the reason transgender people commit suicide/have suicidal thoughts.
Of course not, because as I’ve pointed out now half a dozen times already, there is nothing that would qualify as “the reason”. Suicide amongst the population is a complex subject and there are multiple factors at play for any and every category of people. Why do you continue to pretend this is not a fact? 
So, my study doesn't actually support your argument much at all (seeing that you cited my study to make your point). Hence, you don't have evidence to support to claim it's "the reason" (as you seem to agree with). 

The question now becomes: does mental illness cause with transgender suicides to any degree? You think we should bypass this question and just listen to what transgender people tell us. I think we need an answer to it. The complexity of the subject has nothing to do with whether this question should be asked.

Firstly, "common sense" is a tautology that I've already called out in this discussion.
It’s not a tautology because it’s not being offered as a logical argument. I refer to certain things like common sense as a way of saying that this conversation has been dumbed down to the point where I see no interest in arguing further.
Yes, you're not offering a logical argument. You're offering a 'listen and believe' argument, in regards to transgender identity.

Refusing to offer anything more to bolster your argument than 'we need to respect their wishes' won't win in the logical realm.

If you can’t figure out how telling people that they are delusional and mentally ill to the point where their own wishes regarding how they are addressed should not be respected - is the opposite of treating them with dignity and respect… then you’re on your own. You can argue that we are not acting in their best interests to do so, which you have tried to even though you have provided no alternative, but that is a separate issue.
Do you think mental illness doesn't distort reality at all for the mentally ill? 

Their wishes are clearly affected by the mental illness, if they are mentally ill. 

You just can't keep skipping this premise as if it's already proven. We shouldn't automatically respect people's wishes, especially in this case wherein I think they have a mental illness which distorts their reality.

Secondly, you need to give reasons as to why we should respect their gender identity. That's the burden of proof you need to fulfil, elsewise you haven't proven there are good reasons to respect their gender identity
It doesn’t have to be proven, that’s the point. The default position in any civilized society is that we treat others the way they wish to be treated until it comes at a cost to others or to themselves. So the burden is on you, not anyone else, to demonstrate the harm. All you have come up with is a half baked case that they are mentally ill without even defining what qualifies one as mentally ill in the first place or why your definition of mental illness is one that anyone should care about.
This is begging the question.

The correct neutral position is to not be sure if they're mentally ill. The non-neutral position would be to assume they are not mentally ill.

You have given yourself a burden by declaring that we should respect transgender wishes to become the opposite biological sex. You then refuse to fulfill this burden and make arguments based on this unfulfilled BoP argument.

That is textbook begging the question.

Your overcomplication is nonsense.
This is a really basic principal of science. Your referring to it as overcomplication is quite hilarious and clearly demonstrates the problem here.
24% is not even close to 100%. 

That's what my argument was. 

None of what you wrote changed that fact: "Numerical data is only as useful as the controls and methods used to obtain it. Once again, not one of your studies were even set up to explore the question of whether transgenderism is a mental illness, so no controls were put in place capture any data that would confirm or deny that hypothesis."

You can keep making big sentences with big words, but that 24% will never get close to 100%.
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@hey-yo
During the roaring 20's (i.e. economic boom and great wealth generation), crime increased, but as soon at the Great Depression took hold, crime rates actually went down (the opposite of what your hypothesis predicts) #2 - Homicide in the United States, - Full View | HathiTrust Digital Library Crime and the Great Recession | The Great Recession Effects (city-journal.org) 
Interesting read indeed! 
There is so much information. I find it interesting that the roaring 20's - the prohibition ERA - well known corruption in law enforcement saw a great decrease in crime. Who knew making America's past time a crime would some how shift crime away from murder, theft, etc. to supplement the people's needs. Maybe it was bad for business? 

Anyways the last article is interesting. Their conclusion is abortion and increased imprisonment decreased overall crime rates, while same time disproving other factors. Including poverty. Anyone correct me if Im wrong. That is what is suggested yes? 
I'm glad you enjoyed the reads :)

Yes, your summaries are great.

The decreased and increase in crime is influenced by decrease and increase of incarcerations and abortions. Lets take a closer look into these things. 

This article claims poverty is #2 reason for abortion because the women "cant afford" having a kid. 


59% of women who seek abortions are already mothers;

-       Women who seek abortions are more than three time as likely to be poor; 49% are poor while the national poverty rate is about 12%;

-       75% of women who seek abortions are low income
So, the general argument you're making appears to be that because abortions are expensive, and because my source said that abortions decrease crime rates, poverty causes crime (to some extent).

Some of your sources don't quite support this argument because everyone who is poor isn't necessarily in poverty, but there will be some poor people who are in poverty. 

As for those in poverty who cannot afford an abortion, the underlying issue is that unwanted and undesirable genes are being propagated -- being in poverty is just a correlation. The way people end up in poverty in the first place is because their genes couldn't find a way to make money in that environment, and whilst the environment is sometimes to blame, genetic traits like IQ are some of the best predictors of future income. 

Poverty is generally the punishment for very poor genetics. Crime is usually the result of very poor genetics. The underlying genetics are what make poverty and crime correlate.

While it is difficult to ascertain whether poverty makes someone more likely to commit a crime, data show it does make a person more susceptible to being arrested and more likely to be charged with a harsher crime and to receive a longer sentence. Adults in poverty are three times more likely to be arrested than those who aren’t, and people earning less than 150 percent of the federal poverty level are 15 times more likely to be charged with a felony

Some researchers find links between high incarceration rates among men of color and policy changes that criminalized social problems experienced by many people living in poverty (who are disproportionately people of color). These challenges include homelessness, mental illness, and drug or alcohol problems. The result, these researchers suggest, perpetuates poverty and racial inequality both within and across generations.[5]


Although causes of crime are layered and possess multiple factors, we should still be able to see how poverty and inequality are included as factors for crime. 
Again, there is no causation shown. You need to cite studies that show poverty explaining crime, rather than merely being correlated with it. I already agree that there is already a correlation between poverty and crime (I think it is weak, though). The issue is that I don't think poverty is explaining crime to any sizeable degree.

None of the effect sizes between crime and poverty could be considered strong or even moderate. A meta-analysis of 153 studies found the effect size to be .253 (weak correlation) with only 59% of the studies being statistically significant Assessing Macro-Level Predictors and Theories of Crime: A Meta-Analysis on JSTOR 
I followed the provided link to read this:
Across all studies, social disorganization and resource/economic deprivation theories receive strong empirical support; anomie/strain, social support/social altruism, and routine activity theories receive moderate support; and deterrence/rational choice and subcultural theories receive weak support.

What is your take on these sentences? 

Also real kicker. Disappointment. Cant access information. Oh darn. I guess this is further evidence for @KichiroMS

It's a somewhat jargon heavy sentence and it's misleading. The reason they say economic deprivation received strong empirical support is because it was one of the strongest correlates, but it's still a weak one at 0.253. It looks far more impactful than things like unemployment (0.131) and Education effects (0.25), but they're all still weak effects.
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@Greyparrot
Lol, 3 pages of Fanchick go brrrr.
True.

I made him take-back what he said and that obviously aggravated him.

He doesn't have much respect for women, so being corrected by one put a large dent in his fragile ego. He kept brrring trying to get me back on literally anything.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
You probably still got wedgies in college.
Ha, back to that again, you’re just flailing now! Are wedgies some kind of big humiliation thing in your crap  country along with having a tiny GDP?
I reckon they're universally humiliating, especially for an insecure incel like you. Everything you attempt to brag about on here is a lie and that makes you a complete fraud. Getting a wedgie like that would probably make you sob uncontrollably because it would shatter your fragile ego. I know guys with fragile egos like that can't stand being humiliated like that -- it literally breaks them.

I'm going out. Bye
Have a good night loser. Go buy yourself some more “teen sized, highschool clothes” tonight. Lol
I've never bought any of those clothes. I buy adult ones, if you have to know.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Yeah whatever.

I'm going out. Bye
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Awww looks like I struck a truth!
It’s struck a nerve, you dummy. I’m really starting to doubt you ever went to college.
You probably still got wedgies in college.

Some losers just continue to be losers xD LOL

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@IwantRooseveltagain
I'm actually proud I can still fit and wear my old teen sized clothes.
Alright, good alternative to “highschool” since you can’t bring yourself to spelling it correctly. Lol
High school.

Happy?

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@IwantRooseveltagain
That's more embarrassing than the wedgies you probably got daily at school xD
Keep trying to walk on your hind legs little doggie.Lol
Awww looks like I struck a truth!

Sounds like you have a super embarrassing past that you're ashamed of. Shame I can't pull your underwear up now to help you relive it hahaha
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Poor baby girl. Am I too rough on you?
I'm pretty sure I could overpower you easily irl. You seem like an incel manlet.

Did you read the article on how so many women have body image issues? It’s those damn magazine covers that create standards average women can’t possibly meet.
I'm actually proud I can still fit and wear my old teen sized clothes. It shows how well I take care of my weight <3
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@IwantRooseveltagain
I made you walk back from the term "overweight".
Literally laughing out loud. I can’t believe you went back to that. You see, to look strong you have to come up with new attacks. You are an amateur.
You can't address it at all. I love how you keep pivoting onto irrelevant points.

Maybe you're just projecting because you don't fit your old high school clothes anymore because you're overweight yourself.

That's more embarrassing than the wedgies you probably got daily at school xD
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Who cares?
Haha, a woman with an ego. Just like  a dog walking on two legs! People are surprised to see it and it isn’t done very well.
I made you walk back from the term "overweight". You were corrected by me in front of everyone. Don't blush too hard, incel.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
What part of that don't you believe? That's how it goes for most people.
No, high school is definitely spelled as two words for most people.
Who cares?
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@IwantRooseveltagain
You continue to make stuff up.
Hey, I don’t even believe Kaitlyn is your real name. It’s probably some fantasy American name you wish you had.
I don't believe you've seen a naked woman outside of porn. Your fantasy seems to be that I have a big butt but small breasts.

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@IwantRooseveltagain
Nope. My mom bought my clothes in highschool from proper stores, and I buy mine now from the same stores and some others.
of course. We all believe you in our own way. And again, what country is high school spelled as one word?
What part of that don't you believe? That's how it goes for most people.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
I have no idea what you're talking about by "the incident".
Yes, that is the best way to deal with it. Although some counseling could be beneficial. You don’t want to end up like E Jean Carroll, do you?
You continue to make stuff up.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Teenage size clothing is literally too small for a big butt. T
Well in your country people mostly dress in used clothing sent from the U.S. 
Nope. My mom bought my clothes in highschool from proper stores, and I buy mine now from the same stores and some others.

Wrong again.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Oh right I remember you saying you don’t use porn or “happy toys”. Probably because you have been frigid ever since “the incident” in college 
Yeah, I don't use them. 

I have no idea what you're talking about by "the incident".
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Women who have a big butt can't fit into their old highschool clothes
They can if they had a big butt in high school. That explains your lack of success in attracting a mate.
Uh no. Teenage size clothing is literally too small for a big butt. They literally can't fit into anything but plus size clothing. They can only get their highschool jeans like halfway up their thighs (spent like 5 mins trying to get them on). I don't think they'd get their old underwear on, either.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
You're the one who keeps mentioning my weight and height. Again, my weight is well within the healthy range for my height. 
I notice you keep using the words ‘healthy weight’ and “range” instead of attractive weight. Kind of like a dog or a farm animal. Why is that?
Because those things are true.

I bet you make noises like a farm animal when you watch porn. Enjoy being single for the rest of your life, incel.

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@IwantRooseveltagain
You've dropped the argument that I'm overweight and I'm close to my expiration date. Everyone saw that. I love beating clueless losers like you.
I sent a good article to help you deal with your body image issues. But the whole not being married, no children thing is going to take more time, perhaps some counseling. Just because you have a big butt and a flat just doesn’t mean you can’t find a man with the little time you have left.
Women who have a big butt can't fit into their old highschool clothes. I know this because I have friends who are too big for that. You just have no idea about my butt or chest, and you continue to make things up and expose yourself further as an incel.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Here, maybe this will help you with your body image issues. Always remember you are not the only woman out there with these insecurities.

You're the one who keeps mentioning my weight and height. Again, my weight is well within the healthy range for my height.

You're just saying random stuff that doesn't make sense. You say things like my breasts are small but I'm overweight, of which you had to walk back because even you realized that was wrong.

I still fit my teenage clothes from highschool. You're just completely wrong lol.

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5'10
Is that in heels? Last time you said you were 5’9”. Which is it? People who aren’t American tend to have stunted growth from malnutrition. So you are likely exaggerating your height anyway to have some sense of attractiveness.
Nope. That's my natural height, just like you're naturally oblivious to female biology. I never said I was any other height. I suspect that I'm taller than you. That must be embarrassing for an incel like you hahah

You've dropped the argument that I'm overweight and I'm close to my expiration date. Everyone saw that. I love beating clueless losers like you.

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@IwantRooseveltagain
Haha walk it back because you realize you were wrong
Nonsense. You weigh 142 lbs. and anything over 120 is too much. Most of that weight is in your hips and butt. That is the reality for you and most women.
142 lbs is well-within the healthy range for me because I'm 5'10. It's not like I'm 4'10 where that kind of weight would be a problem.

Some of the weight gets distributed to your breasts. That's why you had to walk back the statement by no longer using the term "overweight". I love how you're too proud to admit you were wrong. Incels typically have very fragile egos xD

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@IwantRooseveltagain
Overweight women have larger breasts because fat is distributed there, too. It's impossible to be overweight and have A cups.
 But it is possible to have a big butt and a flat chest. I knew girls in college built like that
Haha walk it back because you realize you were wrong, idiot. What's it like being corrected by me?  : >

Just because you've consumed 10,000 hours of porn on the internet, that doesn't mean you know anything about women, incel.

You have done nothing to prove who you are, yet you've done several things to suggest you are lying about yourself.

 with an expiration date that is fast approaching.
Tell us how old you think I am. You've always dodged the question.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
You’re not getting it. You are White Trash
Absolutely not.

I live in an upper class area with a lot of rich Asians and high-caste Indians. I am employed with college degrees.

You're just completely wrong.

You don't appear to have any understanding of female biology at all. That's why you imply I'm overweight whilst saying that I am flat-chested
Ya, there are no flat chested women with big butts in the world. Right. It’s obvious being overweight really bothers you. Why don’t you just eat less and exercise?
Overweight women have larger breasts because fat is distributed there, too. It's impossible to be overweight and have A cups. You don't have an accurate conception of female biology at all, making me think you're a virgin/incel. The fact that you keep mentioning "big butts" suggest that you are younger than you claim.

I'm such a healthy weight that I can still fit into teenage clothes. There's no way an overweight woman could do that. I probs exercise at least twice as much as you, allowing me to have my cake and eat it, too :)

Like the other conservative losers on this site, you are so intimidated by my success you have to deny it is real so you won’t feel bad about your pathetic lives. For you it’s especially bad because you’re a female racist and not American. Not married, no children and your expiration date is no doubt fast approaching. 
You haven't proven anything on this site. I think you're a fraud.
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@hey-yo
Meanwhile, there was a study which performed analysis of over half a million Swedish people looked into income levels and future criminality. They looked specifically at crime rates between poor kids who stayed poor into adulthood, and poor kids who become wealthier as they aged. For both groups, the criminality rates were virtually the same. This shows that poverty isn't a cause of crime, but rather a correlation http:/bjp.rcpsych.org/content/early/2014/08/14/bjp.bp.113.136200.abstract 
Site does not allow access. Also this is to a magazine. We need something that is easier to access like this link. 


Study provided by journal of economic structures looks into multiple countries and multiple statistics to see if results can be viewed across multiple countries. A serious benefit considering not two countries will experience the same economic/social environment. Policies will differ along with the practice of justice/law. 

Sweden carry more socialist policies. Today the difference between incomes is not as large as it is in US or other countries. What govt. considers to be poverty may not be the same in other countries. There are many factors that can influence a study's conclusion, but we can not see the study to determine how it influences the discussion.  
The immediate issue I see with your paper is that it doesn't measure poverty in a pure form, but rather GINI which includes poverty, but also statistical noise like income inequality (of which has a much higher correlation and perhaps some causation, basically because people get super angry when they're poorer than the group around them, but don't care nearly as much if everyone is poor). So, the paper doesn't make conclusions on poverty, but rather something that includes poverty.

Furthermore, your paper strikes at correlation rather than causation. Just because worse GINI and higher unemployment are correlated with criminality, that does not mean they are the cause of criminality. What happens is that bad genes/environments cause people to be unable to make money, and they then become far poorer and less employed than other people around them. People don't go from upstanding citizens to hardened criminals the moment they become unemployed. People who are unemployed (particularly in excess of 6 months) tend to have a whole host of mental issues that prevent them from finding work, of which also makes them more likely to commit crimes (e.g. low I.Q, low self-control etc.)

In this study, researchers break down poverty as something a person can leave, fall into, have chronically, and more. Those who had fallen into poverty had a higher risk in using drugs to cope with their misfortune. 

If this study translates to american experience, then those in poverty would be more likely to do drugs, which is a crime. Still the goal is to recognize different aspects about poverty and how to research it. 
The proclivity to use drugs is itself genetic and is a typical criminal element: lack of self-control. That lack of self-control is also a pre-cursor to poverty, because self-control (to some degree) is required for things like regular attendance at a job and saving/investing excess income.

That's why you have people of all income types getting into drug problems: the cause is genetic. You don't suddenly acquire the genes that make you want to cope with drugs when you become poor. Rather, you are born with them. You could argue the capacity for drug usage is latent and activated epigenetically by poverty, but I haven't seen that argument been explicitly made.

Yes, the American experience would have those in poverty more likely to do drugs, but that's also just a correlation.


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@Lemming
I'm doubtful one could get the rest of America to support legislatively forcing people out of land they have lived in for generations,
(Well, modern America, and maybe, and maybe again depending 'what people)
I'd make the divisions as frictionless as possible.

People seem to be okay with it as long as they have their own land for their own people (i.e. New Europe, New Africa, Aztlan etc.)

You could also divide based on ideological lines and have Republican areas and Democrat areas that aren't concerned with race.

If you did the divisions intelligently, I don't think many people would have to move, and would be much happier with having governments and laws that represent themselves.

I suppose one could try making life for an ethnicity unpleasant, until they leave,
Such as holding Nazi flag parties or something,
But again, I doubt anyone could convince enough racists, to enact such a plan, assuming it could even work.
I think you could be far more peaceful than this. People already want to live around their own kind. It's more a matter of separating the 8 or so different types of America into representative states.

I'm doubtful one could even gather enough racists to make a sizeable number of functioning number of interconnected communities,
Though I suppose one might argue parts of America are already like that, where sizeable numbers of various ethnic groups live among their own ethnicities,
Eh, so maybe one could make small versions work,
Something the size of a state seems doubtful to me though.
Here's a graphical depiction of separation that could work: Imgur: The magic of the Internet 

Green - New Europe
Black - New Africa
Brown - Aztlan
Blue - Republican States of America
Gray Blue - Democratic States of America
Torquoise - United States of America
Red - Lakota and Eastern Oklahoma
Rose - Pacific Republic
Hawaii and Alaska separate countries.
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@IlDiavolo
Firstly, IQ is a proxy for intelligence, and it's by far the best by far because it has a ton of predictive validity. I.Q. Validity (debateart.com) I.Q. attempts to determine g factor (generally intelligence) by using g loaded questions (i.e. questions that test for mental ability, avoiding knowledge tests wherever possible). So, when someone scores poorly in a test, unless they're badly sleep deprived or intoxicated, it's a mostly accurate measurement of their intelligence, and that intelligence is mostly heritable.
Anyway, I'll explain it again. I was refering to the intelligence written in the DNA, not the intelligence that is developed by the person which can effectively be measured by a IQ test. The point is that environment plays a huge role in the development of intelligence. But even so, the way the person faces the IQ test can influence the final score as well, because of something called the Pygmalion effect. So, I pose the question, are blacks getting bad results in education because of the prejudices against them? My guess is a big yes.
IQ already attempts to capture the intelligence written in DNA (i.e. hereditary general intelligence).

Environment doesn't play a large role in the development of intelligence (it explains 20% of intelligence variance). 

The Pygmalion effect (more commonly referred to as 'stereotype threat' for the talking point) has been looked into many times with Black people. The way the experiments are generally conducted is that Black people do a test, then Black people do a test after they've been told that Black people tend to do poorer than other races. Recent research involving stereotype threat shows that there isn't a noticeable decline in Black performance due to explicitly stated prejudice: Stereotype Threat, Inquiring About Test Takers' Ethnicity and Gender, and Standardized Test Performance1 | Request PDF (researchgate.net) . In fact, there is a marginal benefit to Black scores when engaged with stereotype threat, increasing Black scores in the AB calculus from 14.59 --> 15.69, and the computerized placement tests (for college) saw a similar result: 55.8 --> 56.58.

The great issue with this field is that publication bias is a real issue (i.e. papers only get published when they show there to be effects, rather than no effect). Most papers published show no effect.

Secondly, intelligence is impacted by environment, but I.Q. is roughly 80% heritable (leaving 20% to environmental impacts -- happy to expand upon this point if needed). Poverty has virtually zero impact on intelligence, unless the child is severely malnourished (which is exceedingly rare in 1st world countries) or sleep deprived (can't find a safe place to sleep). Even in the case of being severely malnourished, it doesn't affect intelligence that much. It's only recently that Eastern Asian brain size exceeded that of White brain size, and that was due to lack of nutrition for China's poorer people, particularly during the Great Leap Forward (historical Eastern Asian-White difference: Imgur: The magic of the Internet ) (modern Eastern-Asian-White difference: The Construction of a Chinese MRI Brain Atlas: A Morphometric Comparison Study between Chinese and Caucasian Cohorts - PMC (nih.gov) ) . Despite this, brain size only correlates with I.Q. at 0.24-0.4 (depending on the study you read), so East Asians were only marginally less intelligent than what they should have been had they been well-fed.
You might have strong evidence about the percentages you just provided so categorically. I wouldn't dare to do that.

At any rate, I'll prove that you're completely wrong, my dear neonazi.
You appear to agree with my numbers here.

Fyi: this has nothing to do with Nazism. I'm not a Neonazi and I don't think Hitler was all that great.

Hitler thought I.Q. tests were dodgy because the Jews used to do the best on them lol, so he wouldn't have agreed with what I wrote here.

Thirdly, education doesn't impact intelligence to any serious degree, unless it's at early childhood (but this doesn't matter in the long run). Intelligence (g factor) is latent cognitive ability, not learned knowledge. Being poorly educated is pretty much a result of not having the right genetics for education, of which is compounded by having parents who have bad genetics for education, too (of which are inherited as well). Intelligence becomes more and more expressed as a child ages, so by the time they are 12-18 years old, genetics is the overwhelming factor in intelligence (relevant graph: Imgur: The magic of the Internet ; taken from: The heritability of general cognitive ability increases linearly from childhood to young adulthood - PMC (archive.org) ) (relevant graph: Imgur: The magic of the Internet ; taken from: Behavioral genetics of cognitive ability: A life-span perspective. (apa.org) )
I guess you're not aware about the last advancements of genetics. It's well know today that the environment can strongly influence the expression of certain genes and genetical traits, like intelligence. It's called epigenetics. So, I'm not surprised that blacks have low intelligence because of their low socio economic status.
I've already addressed the environment in the previous paragraph. It has less impact than heritability. Low SES doesn't affect I.Q. that much, compared to who your parents were. You can't concede the previous paragraph and continue arguing that environment is most important.

By the way, when I mention education, I mean all what implies education which includes stimulation. The brain is like a muscle that we should work out, otherwise it wouldn't perform at its maximum potential, which is what happens in impoverished people. Things like playing piano, playing chess or learning several languages,are ways to stimulate the brain and intelligence.
Intelligence involves how well and quickly you are able to learn those things, not necessarily whether you can do those things. For example, a person who gets to a chess Elo of 1500 in 3 weeks is likely far more intelligent than a person who takes 3 years, despite them being the same Elo.

You don't become intelligent by playing chess. You get to express how intelligence you are by how well and quickly you learn chess -- don't reserve cause and effect.

Lastly, Black culture is a result of Black genetics impacting the environment, thus making a new environment, thus creating a feedback loop. You wouldn't have "Black culture" without Black genetics (a prominent, stifling genetic component being Black's lower impulse control, of which badly hurts their ability to save/invest long-term: (controls for parental SES and IQ A gradient of childhood self-control predicts health, wealth, and public safety (pnas.org) ) (meta-analysis of relevant data Racial Differences in Self Control – The Alternative Hypothesis (archive.org) )
Are you suggesting that culture is genetic?
No. It's a result of genetics and an environment interacting with each other -- genetic mesh.

TWS made a good explanation about the roots of black culture, which as far as I know is related to ebonics and irish culture. So, the american black culture wasn't made up by slaves but borrowed by irish. Please, someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Culture isn't 100% environmental. Do I really need to explain that to you? 

What you appear to be trying to say is that it's not heritable, in that instance, which is plausible. However, this doesn't dismiss the idea that there are differing levels of testosterone in Blacks versus Whites, both due to environment and naturally, and thereby cause Blacks to be more aggressive. You haven't actually counterargued what I said.
In the same paper I provided, it says there was no difference in T levels among educated young blacks. So that proves your hypothesis is incorrect.
We're talking about Black people, not just specifically educated young Black people (of whom are substantially better than the general Black population, but mostly because their genes are better).
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@FLRW
Maybe it's because, the majority of U.S. businesses are small, relatively new and owned by white Americans, according to new data published by the Census Bureau.
So, a black can't rob a black business because there are so few of them.
It's certainly possible that Blacks might not rob Black owned stores all that often because there are so few of them. We don't have the statistics to confirm one way or another )(at least I haven't seen them).

Also, Black people tend to live around Blacks, so they're more likely to rob a Black business because of closer proximity. As to much more likely I don't know.

Robbery of a business is only one type of crime, too.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
I seriously think you've never seen a woman's body ever lol.
You have me confused with the conservative losers you are friends with on this site. I’ve been married for30 years and have 2 children who have graduated college.
No, I'm definitely reading your comments and responding to them. You don't appear to have any understanding of female biology at all. That's why you imply I'm overweight whilst saying that I am flat-chested -- those contradict each other and didn't know that at all.

You honestly speak like a 50 year old virgin. Your pretense is paper thin.

That's quite embarrassing for you.

Into the trash it goes.
Like white trash?
Yeah sure. SPLC and White trash both belong in the bin.

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@Savant
To be fair, I wouldn't say OP provided a reasonable explanation or a solution.
The OP fulfilled its BoP. It wasn't required to provide an explanation or solution. I did that later and you eventually dropped every point in our discussion: Blacks far more likely to commit crimes against Whites and Hispanics than the inverse (debateart.com) 
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muh constitution
I'm super glad you dropped every contention to say that.

You're done.
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@Vegasgiants
I have responded to everything with my own counter evidence which shows poverty is the biggest determinant of crime.  Read rhd thread.  The evidence is clear 
You haven't even referenced your claimed effect size at all or stated anything for one of your sources. You literally just posted a link.

The other data set you claimed is literally copy-pasted from the abstract (and of course there is no full-article). It gets the definition of moderate correlative strength wrong (it's 0.50, not ">0.25"). It doesn't break down how much further those 80% studies go over 0.25 in correlation. It's also showing association, not causation.

Your data doesn't contradict my data that you've failed to respond to after several posts: Blacks far more likely to commit crimes against Whites and Hispanics than the inverse (debateart.com) . It found a 0.253 correlation after looking at 153 studies (yours was only 34 and compiled well over a decade before my metanalysis). So, I don't know why you've decided to label it "counter evidence" when it doesn't contradict mine at all.

You just dropped the Swedish study I presented, as well as real world example that are completely unexplainable using your paradigm of 'poverty causes crime'. 

You've also failed to contend with the 6 genetic arguments that point to race being the greatest single determinant of crime. We also know that skin color correlates with crime at 0.55 (moderate correlation), totally blowing out your weak correlation IQ, skin color, crime, HIV/AIDS, and income in 50 U.S. states - ScienceDirect 

You've done better than most, but you've dropped most arguments I've made.

So let me get this straight.   You want to abandon our constitution and form a new country based on racism 
There's nothing racially hateful about White people having their own nation. Pathologizing it, which is what you are doing, is actually the racially hateful act here.

How does one even define black?  The one drop policy?  
Do you ever even consider counterguments to your own? You don't seem to be able to read any of them, at least the ones I post.

Try reading this one: Human races exist (debateart.com)

"Black" (a colloquial term for people of African descent) is a genetically valid sub-species of human. Human perception of this genetically valid sub-species is virtually 100% accurate.

Not going to happen.
We'll see about that...
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ITT: Troll successfully baits a couple of people on an obscure debating website.
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@IlDiavolo
I'm not sure if you're ignorant about genetics or you're just being how you really are, but I see you're forcing your conclusions to the detriment of some ethnic groups.
Nope. They're the conclusions that follow from the research that I look into.

You claimed based on a paper that blacks are genetically less intelligent than whites and asians. That is not true, or at least it's a half truth. What the data shows is that blacks have poor results in IQ tests, which is not the same to say they're genetically less intelligent. Intelligence is determined by genes and the environment the person grows up. It's not only genes, so if a child is born in a poor family, there is a lot of chances he ends up being less intelligent than he should be because he is not well nourished nor well educated in his early years. www.unesco.org/en/articles/why-early-childhood-care-and-education-matters. I think I don't need to prove blacks are poorer than whites mainly because of their attitudes and their culture as TWS pointed out.
Most of what you are saying here is wrong.

Firstly, IQ is a proxy for intelligence, and it's by far the best by far because it has a ton of predictive validity. I.Q. Validity (debateart.com) I.Q. attempts to determine g factor (generally intelligence) by using g loaded questions (i.e. questions that test for mental ability, avoiding knowledge tests wherever possible). So, when someone scores poorly in a test, unless they're badly sleep deprived or intoxicated, it's a mostly accurate measurement of their intelligence, and that intelligence is mostly heritable.

Secondly, intelligence is impacted by environment, but I.Q. is roughly 80% heritable (leaving 20% to environmental impacts -- happy to expand upon this point if needed). Poverty has virtually zero impact on intelligence, unless the child is severely malnourished (which is exceedingly rare in 1st world countries) or sleep deprived (can't find a safe place to sleep). Even in the case of being severely malnourished, it doesn't affect intelligence that much. It's only recently that Eastern Asian brain size exceeded that of White brain size, and that was due to lack of nutrition for China's poorer people, particularly during the Great Leap Forward (historical Eastern Asian-White difference: Imgur: The magic of the Internet ) (modern Eastern-Asian-White difference: The Construction of a Chinese MRI Brain Atlas: A Morphometric Comparison Study between Chinese and Caucasian Cohorts - PMC (nih.gov) ) . Despite this, brain size only correlates with I.Q. at 0.24-0.4 (depending on the study you read), so East Asians were only marginally less intelligent than what they should have been had they been well-fed.

Thirdly, education doesn't impact intelligence to any serious degree, unless it's at early childhood (but this doesn't matter in the long run). Intelligence (g factor) is latent cognitive ability, not learned knowledge. Being poorly educated is pretty much a result of not having the right genetics for education, of which is compounded by having parents who have bad genetics for education, too (of which are inherited as well). Intelligence becomes more and more expressed as a child ages, so by the time they are 12-18 years old, genetics is the overwhelming factor in intelligence (relevant graph: Imgur: The magic of the Internet ; taken from: The heritability of general cognitive ability increases linearly from childhood to young adulthood - PMC (archive.org) ) (relevant graph: Imgur: The magic of the Internet ; taken from: Behavioral genetics of cognitive ability: A life-span perspective. (apa.org) )

Lastly, Black culture is a result of Black genetics impacting the environment, thus making a new environment, thus creating a feedback loop. You wouldn't have "Black culture" without Black genetics (a prominent, stifling genetic component being Black's lower impulse control, of which badly hurts their ability to save/invest long-term: (controls for parental SES and IQ A gradient of childhood self-control predicts health, wealth, and public safety (pnas.org) ) (meta-analysis of relevant data Racial Differences in Self Control – The Alternative Hypothesis (archive.org) )

You also said high levels of testosterone is associated to more violence and agression, and as blacks have more levels of testosterone than whites then they are more violent. This is also a half truth. Actually, researchers are pointing out that culture has something to do with the increase of T levels, it's not a genenital issue. According to the article, "...a growing body of evidence suggests that testosterone is as much the result of violence as its cause. Indeed, both winning a sporting match and beating an opponent at chess can boost testosterone levels. (On the other hand, losing a sporting match, growing old and becoming obese all reduce levels of testosterone.)". The article provides an example of it comparing southerners and northerners young americans blacks, the first have more T levels because of a practice called "culture of honor" that makes southerners to increase their T levels. In other words, high T levels responds to a cultural behaviour rather than a genetic trait.
Uh, even if culture is affecting testosterone levels, that ends up being genetic lol.

What you appear to be trying to say is that it's not heritable, in that instance, which is plausible. However, this doesn't dismiss the idea that there are differing levels of testosterone in Blacks versus Whites, both due to environment and naturally, and thereby cause Blacks to be more aggressive. You haven't actually counterargued what I said.

Blacks and Whites need to be separated. Give Blacks and Whites some good land and let's move past the utter disaster of attempting to create a sustainable multi-racial country.
Kaitlyn de mi corazón, you don't know what you're talking about. As far as I know America already had this racial segregation system and it worsened the american social problems. But at least we all start to know you better and your racist thinking.
No, not segregation. 

I want full separation for America. I want the different races living in different states.
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@Vegasgiants
You if you like.  It's just more evidence for my claim.   What clear here is you want this to be about race.....when other factors are bigger determinants of crime

I do have one question though

Let's pretend it is about race.....what is YOUR solution?
Firstly, are you going to respond to anything here, especially since it contradicts what you're generally arguing here? Blacks far more likely to commit crimes against Whites and Hispanics than the inverse (debateart.com) Poverty is just not a bigger determinant of crime. It would be nice if it were, then we could far more easily address it. But you're completely ignoring the genetic component which far outweighs "poverty".

The solution first involves genetics plays a big role in crime rates. Different races have different typical genetics (not just in terms of crime rates), so the next step is to separate (not segregate) people well away from each other. Blacks can have their own states. Whites, Asians, Jews, Hispanics etc. too. Then, start giving the death penalty to the worst criminals (perhaps worst 1%). This will all make people much happier, cause far less violence, and actively lower the violence with each generation (because the most violent criminals are not breeding).
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@hey-yo
So what do we take away from these statistics? 

One possible solution to your question at the end...Black community is among if not the most impoverished community in America. Historically this community observed the most financial and social barriers compared to any other community. All these things impact crime. 
No, impoverishment does not impact crime to any serious degree (refer to the second half): Blacks far more likely to commit crimes against Whites and Hispanics than the inverse (debateart.com) . Blacks are VERY well off in America, particularly compared to 3rd world countries, and even poorer Eastern European countries. What you are arguing here is wrong in both ways.

All of the narratives about "financial and social barriers" are just false narratives, but I won't debunk any of them until you specifically make the arguments.

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@Greyparrot
@ILikePie5
Yes, every liberal wants to date a racist chick. My ultimate dream would be a KKK member.
"DIVERSITY" Is our streeeeennngggth!!!

♫♫♫♫♫ Fanchick and Kaitlyn sittin in a tree...♫♫♫♫♫

K-I-S-S-I-N-G
That's actually super gross.

He's probably messing his tighty whities to thought, too.

*blergh*

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@IwantRooseveltagain
Cause I said you were a racist but you say you are only a race realist. You are certainly a racist. White Nationalist is a racist.
wAcIsT

You are too ashamed of your third rate country to say where you are from so it must be a shit hole.
You're so desperate to know where I come from. Must be itching to see my "big butt".

At 142 lbs you likely have a big butt.
You realize that I'm actually well below the average American female's weight, yet I'm half a foot taller than the average American female's height? Do you understand how those numbers work? Do you understand how much of an idiot you were when you said I was flat-chested, too? 

I seriously think you've never seen a woman's body ever lol.

>SPLC
Into the trash it goes.

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@Vegasgiants

In the late 1970s and early 1980s, several important reviews of the literature failed to establish a clear consensus on the relationship between economic conditions and violent crime. The research presented here applies the procedures of meta-analysis to 34 aggregate data studies reporting on violent crime, poverty, and income inequality. These studies reported a total of 76 zero-order correlation coefficients for all measures of violent crime with either poverty or income inequality. Of the 76 coefficients, all but 2, or 97 percent, were positive. Of the positive coefficients, nearly 80 percent were of at least moderate strength (>.25). It is concluded that poverty and income inequality are each associated with violent crime. 

Who is this directed at?
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@Best.Korea
Most of the crimes were committed by some white people.

Hitler, Stalin, Two world wars, colonizations, holocaust, extermination of native americans...

Hundreds of millions killed.

It seems that some white people, despite being a minority in the world, have committed the greatest amount of crimes. Only some asians could somewhat come close to all the horrible things some white people have done.

What must be noted is that when some white person commits the crime, it is not registered as a crime. For example, most of the rapists are white, but most rapists never get caught.

Black people were oppressed even after slavery ended. We all know how they were forced into poverty and how they had less rights than others. They were treated badly for so long.

I would like to see all white people accepting black people as friends, but some white people still want oppression, as demonstrated by certain woman here, who thinks that black people should be forcefully relocated. Just a reminder, forceful relocation was part of Hitler's plan too. Therefore, we see that Hitler's ideas are still present among some white people, which implies that oppression of black people still exists.
This is a dreadful troll. It is way too obvious.

-3/10 troll attempt. You're making my side look better.

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I said "Black people actually mostly commit crimes against other Black people" which was not disproven.
That wasn't the point of contention.

The point you implied was that the Black on White violence is explained by Black's greater levels of crimes. I counterargued that the 34x isn't explained by your explanation, because total instances of Black crime would have to be multiple times higher than total instances of White crime (when it's only 1/3 of it). That's the point of contention you dropped.

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If we knew what the causes were, then we could control for them. Criminologists have discovered some causes of crime, and I suspect they will discover more causes in the years to come. You can't control for the effects of some historical event like slavery unless you know exactly what those causes are.
When you control for relevant variables (poverty, single parent households, lead exposure etc.), Black's crime rate pretty much remains untouched. We already know that there are multiple genetic features, that Blacks are prominent in, which lead to higher rates of aggression and violence, too Blacks far more likely to commit crimes against Whites and Hispanics than the inverse (debateart.com) . There is very clearly a genetic drive which causes crime.

There's no reason to think that slavery has any impact on Black crime rates to a statistically significant degree, especially since you haven't produced a single study showing any correlation/causation. 

The retraction was based a lot on ideological grounds, rather than factual grounds. 
"The correspondent and geneticist each comment that the genes responsible for skin pigmentation in humans are completely different to the genes in these animals. It therefore makes no sense to extrapolate from these animal studies to humans."
They didn't show that these genes were "completely different" in a way which would discredit the argument. It's just a bare assertion. Furthermore, just so we understand the size of the finding: darker skin has been found to predict higher levels of aggression in over 200 species of animals. That's a lot of different kinds of animals.

We already know that mere skin color in humans correlates with crime at 0.55 IQ, skin color, crime, HIV/AIDS, and income in 50 U.S. states - ScienceDirect . That's ana awfully high correlation for something that a lot of people think has no connection.

"As required of a review paper, the authors should have been aware of a literature showing that black-white differences in the best-available measure of psychopathy are negligible (Skeem et al., 2004)"
The very next sentence your document says, "They instead relied on an analysis by Lynn (2002) which has been extensively criticized (Skeem et al., 2003Zuckerman, 2003)."

Richard Lynn contended the complete opposite, so Skeem et al's findings haven't been shown, especially since they outright dismissed Lynn's findings based on him being "extensively criticized" by two whole papers (i.e. not debunked; not demonstrably false. Just "criticized").

Looks pretty ideologically motivated to me.

"Rushton & Templer ignored obvious social and educational explanations for higher levels of violence, HIV infection etc. in African and Caribbean countries"
What, not going to school makes people commit crimes? xD

HIV causes people to commit armed robbery? hahahaha

There's no doubt that the environment is going to impact crime rates, but these explanations referred to here are laughably bad.

"Rushton & Templer made several errors when interpreting the results summarised by Ducrest et al."
Lets look at the full quote: "Rushton & Templer made several errors when interpreting the results summarised by Ducrest et al. Although relatively minor, these errors consistently favoured their genetic thesis."

Firstly, the "errors" aren't explained at all, nor are they shown to impact the findings in the paper. Secondly, they even admit that the "errors" were "relatively minor".

They really haven't given us serious reasons to discredit the findings of the paper.
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@IlDiavolo
Crime is a social phenomenon, and as such it should be addressed from a social and even a cultural perspective. Genetics has little to do with it.

As for your quest, I think blacks kill more whites because of the hatred against whites. People talk about racism against blacks all the time, which is ok, but they forget the racism against whites, which is neglected by all the society.
It's plausible without being proven. Savant's explanation of differing crime rates fails to explain the 34 times difference.

Instead of only supporting the "black lives matter" movement, there should be a sort of "reconciliation between blacks and whites" movement. If the society tips the scales only in favour of blacks as the media does it today, you'll have these results.
I don't think so. We've already tried all this stuff for over a century and the problems have only worsened.

Blacks and Whites need to be separated. Give Blacks and Whites some good land and let's move past the utter disaster of attempting to create a sustainable multi-racial country.
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@Savant
so many more crimes against Whites and Hispanics
Black people actually mostly commit crimes against other Black people, not Whites and Hispanics in particular. They commit more crimes in general, which you probably already know, and the causes for this are debated. 
Are Black people committing 34 times more crimes than White people per capita? No (they're not even close to equaling total White crime rates, when they'd need to be multiple times higher than White's crime rates for your explanation to be justified): FBI — Table 43

Since they are not, they are committing more crimes against White people than should be accounted for by their increased overall crime rate.  
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I'll just assume you agree.

I assume you will use this to support your conclusion that Black people are genetically wired to be more violent. But there are simply too many societal factors to control for all of them
The OP specifically talks about crime, not necessarily violence (but can include violence).

But anyway, which factors don't you think we can control for?
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I'll just assume you have no answer and that we can control for the relevant variables.

"It has recently come to our attention that the following article published in PAID contains sufficient errors and misrepresentation to require our attention, review and action"
Hence, "Retracted."
The retraction was based a lot on ideological grounds, rather than factual grounds. For example, one of the reasons it was retracted (not by the authors, btw), was because they cited Richard Lynn's work -- not a valid reason.

If you think any of the reasons for retraction are valid, feel free to argue them.
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@Vegasgiants
I would need to see proof for that claim
This is also rich coming from someone who rattles off this with literally zero evidence: "The poor, urban, low intelligence,  unemployed, and poorly educated also commit the most crimes".

Anyway, it's a big write-up that goes well beyond the scope of this thread. In super short paraphrasing, you can look at facts like (1) Rich Black kids are more likely to go to prison than poor White kids Race, Wealth and Incarceration: Results from the National Longitudinal Survey of Youth | SpringerLink , (2) Blacks have lower IQ than most other racial groups (and IQ is mostly genetic), (3) Blacks have lower self-control than other racial groups A gradient of childhood self-control predicts health, wealth, and public safety (pnas.org) , (4) Blacks have higher testosterone (and higher testosterone is linked to aggression and crime) Racial variation in sex steroid hormone concentration in black and white men: a meta‐analysis (wiley.com) , (5) The MAO-A Gene (Warrior Gene -- linked to crime) and the different frequencies in which races express this gene  https://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/04/15/maoa-race-and-crime/, and (6) Blacks having higher Melanin/melanotropin than other races (and either melanotropin or melanin causes more aggression) RETRACTED: Do pigmentation and the melanocortin system modulate aggression and sexuality in humans as they do in other animals? - ScienceDirect .

I could expand upon this and make it 5000 words, justifying every premise in detail, too. 
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You've dropped all of this, so I'll just assume you agree that race is a significant predictor of crime.

Yes, there is a correlation between poverty and crime. No, it's not that high. Neither of your newspaper articles (not studies) demonstrate a casual relationship between poverty and crime.

Meanwhile, there was a study which performed analysis of over half a million Swedish people looked into income levels and future criminality. They looked specifically at crime rates between poor kids who stayed poor into adulthood, and poor kids who become wealthier as they aged. For both groups, the criminality rates were virtually the same. This shows that poverty isn't a cause of crime, but rather a correlation http:/bjp.rcpsych.org/content/early/2014/08/14/bjp.bp.113.136200.abstract 

During the roaring 20's (i.e. economic boom and great wealth generation), crime increased, but as soon at the Great Depression took hold, crime rates actually went down (the opposite of what your hypothesis predicts) #2 - Homicide in the United States, - Full View | HathiTrust Digital Library Crime and the Great Recession | The Great Recession Effects (city-journal.org) 

None of the effect sizes between crime and poverty could be considered strong or even moderate. A meta-analysis of 153 studies found the effect size to be .253 (weak correlation) with only 59% of the studies being statistically significant Assessing Macro-Level Predictors and Theories of Crime: A Meta-Analysis on JSTOR 

You can even look at the poorer Eastern European countries and see that their crime rates aren't exploding off the charts. Meanwhile, the richer parts of Africa and South America are experiencing a far bit of crime.




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