Lemming

Why end of the world?

'Possibly lot of radiation in the Middle East,

But not the end of the world,

Maybe even just 'some radiation in the Middle East.

Barring the ridiculous ideology part,

Fair point,

Their genetics likely are fairly similar.

Though humans in 'general, eh pretty similar.

. . .

Still, even if humans are similar, does this mean I should not love my family more?

Eh, would I love a clone of me most?

. . .

Eh, here I tilt to absurdism and shrug.

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Point is there 'are differences though,

That people have certain values,

And have separated into different tribes,

Better to go on their own paths, than try to mix together too much.

I don't recall tons of Jews suicide bombing Germans, Jews murdering many German and Foreign civilians.

Israel does not have Death Camps, that I've heard about.

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Perhaps the best solution 'would be the forced exile of the Palestinians,

They keep electing Hamas, keep attacking Israel.

There are many other Islamic countries.

. . .

Still a bad solution, but what solution is good in this case?

Devices can break without being asked,

Can fail to be fixed no matter how we try,

Even off switches, don't always function,

Can even kill humans, provided their Choose Your Own Adventure Storybook programming says to do so if X options are in place.

I'm being difficult,

But as I said in a earlier comment,

I admit I'm still unsure of the particular that make 'us people.

Seems better not to create something that we are unsure whether it is a person or not,

And stick with creating devices we are sure are not people.

You don't think you can find 3 judges capable of some objectivity?

I disagree, and still consider Hamas a terrorist organization,

And consider America 'not a terrorist organization,

Though I admit I am still thinking on what you have said.

I pick USA not terrorist,

Within the generally vague understood meaning of the word terrorist.

I pick America 'can judge Hamas.

If you make a debate with the title,

America should be considered a terrorist organization,

I will read it, consider it,

But I don't think you'll win it, if you go against a half decent opponent.

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For myself, there 'are little particulars I need to move around, define,

Before I have a strong view on this conversation of ours,

Though I still lean towards America 'not being a terrorist organization.

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Hm, I don't recall American paramilitary suicide bombers towards civilians, ever being much of a mainstream event in our history.

You don't see how America increasing the military power of Israel's neighbors, who have 'attacked Israel in the relatively recent past, might hurt Israel interests?

I do not ever recall calling Palestine terrorists,

I 'do recall calling Hamas terrorists.

When people risk death, injury, and jail, to protest American actions,

That is outrage enough.

Outrage 'towards America, by Americans,

'Not 'just our enemies as 'you say.

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There is a difference between an 'action,

And an action as a 'profession.

Eh, it's not a 'plus to Israel and America relations,

But 'again, 'politics.

Besides, America and China relations aren't 'all bad.

I'm having trouble 'seeing what you are 'seeing?

(Shrug) Politics.

An ally is someone one can make use of,

Israel is a strong country, equal in strength to it's neighbors.

Useful foothold in the Middle East.

Also useful to support a nation that is targeted by invasion and terrorists and moral outrages.

There are 'many reasons for America to support Israel,

Posts like this one of yours's confuse me.

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As Vegasgiants says,

Not 'ideal, but happens.

Of Israeli persecutions on Christians, I have not researched, so I don't have a strong opinion.

I'm unsure of China and America relations,

I haven't researched that.

@#41

I wouldn't say it was the 'media so much in this case,

When an atrocity is committed,

Outrage is a common response, anger, and hate.

Course anger and hate unfortunately often blind with rage,

Striking out, even in the dark.

Course some people just more free with words, and 'maybe support regardless, towards certain actions.

I'm doubtful we have 'created "a sentient, self determining, alternative data processing device" yet.

I also don't think we should be 'trying to.

I view it as wrong to create a new class of sentient highly intelligent life, born to slavery,

Possibly born to pain or retardation.

Sucks that we're stuck with animals,

Going to eat and use them,

Doesn't mean we should try to 'increase the number of life forms, or increase their intelligence.

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I still don't quite know what this 'sentience is, this consciousness, existence,

Even for my 'own materialistic view, there's 'way too many gaps.

How will we be able to determine if we 'have created a sentient AI?

I am not knowledgeable about AI,

To me that 'still just sounds like Choose Your Own Adventure Books,

Just with more steps.

Even were an AI able to 'act as a person,

That is not 'convincing  to me, for them 'being a person,

I admit I'm still unsure of the particular that make 'us people,

But a rock doesn't seem like a person to me,

Nor a Choose Your Own Adventure Book,

Nor an advanced Choose Your Own Adventure Book.

People make an AI that plays pong,

Except it's 'not a 'person playing Pong, it's quite clearly just a Choose Your Own Adventure Book,

Ball moves X, screen is programmed to move X.

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It's no more sentient than a line of dominos.

Even more advanced AI, that play Real Time Strategy Games,

Or supposed Learning AI,

To 'me, they just look like Choose Your Own Adventure Books with more steps.

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But I 'do say, to 'me,

I'm not educated about AI.

Many people involved, I can't say 'all are bad,

But I see a lot of bad.

Ever see Disney's WW2 cartoons of Americas enemies?

An Abacus is able to be used to record and preform math I haven't learned to do or remember in my head, doesn't mean the rack of wood and beads is a 'person.

If AI is 'simple choose your own adventure book programmed to stop offering X choice, when we keep not choosing X choice,

Learning AI 'really not impressive.

Can you explain learning AI to me?

My assumption is that it's not 'intelligence of a 'person.

I think Islam 'can be peaceful,

That location and time though, pretty unpeaceful.

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Which isn't me saying all Palestinians are backwards rapists,

But it sounds to still be a fair bit in the culture there.

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Course rape itself is common in war, on any side, not that it's good,

But lot of the view by a lot of the people in that neck of the woods, is war, enemies, dehumanization, degradation, horror.

There is that in Ukraine and Russia 'now as well.

And of course America in some of our times as well.

"War is Hell" - William Tecumseh Sherman.

Course Sherman also went on to oppress the Native Americans 

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One see's inhumanity often in conflict.

People can also tease inanimate objects,

Like action figures.

This does not suggest the action figure is a 'real person though.

Terrorists are more,

Fellows, I think.

Not that they can't try for both,

I imagine many of their followers 'love them for murdering, raping, disgracing their 'enemy.

Love them for promoting their tribe values.

And I mean tribe as in group,

Not that I am calling them a backwards people, in this post.

Personally, it makes sense to me for as 'many people as possible in a country to carry a gun.

This thought pops to my mind, hearing about the Hamas attack on Israel,

Civilians killed, kidnapped, murdered.

Course one would ideally want one's people to be sane, trained, and law abiding.

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It 'bothers me, not in this particular instance, but generally speaking,

When I hear about people who surrender, allow themselves to be taken hostage,

Course I've never been in such a situation, so I've no legs to stand on.

'Which AI?

I don't know much about AI,

But some AI are basically just Choose Your Own Adventure Books,

'Always will respond in X manner,

More like sticky notes one chooses from.

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Who can blame the Jewish people for looking to return to their homeland?

To form a nation of their tribe?

Not that I'm taking sides much,

I don't know much.

But it often 'sounds that Palestine started to exist as a 'country, once Arab nations in the area took a worry about the reoccurrence of Israel as a nation.

Not that Palestinians did not exist, did not live on their own land already,

But buffer states are a concept,

A reason for Arab nations to encourage immigration to Palestine.

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Just propaganda?

What type of videos would one 'expect, from a 'terrorist organization?

I view it the same as Vegasgiants #24, I think.

Doesn't matter if people like the Vice President or not, they're next in line, being the replacement is their 'main job, isn't it? (Rhetorical)

Unfortunately my research skills and use of the internet to gather information and sources are poor.

Certainly it's something for me to think on, make effort on to research from news sources more common to Russians.

I've heard not all those separatists are 'patriots, so much as mercenaries and Russian soldiers.

I've heard that many consider the 'elections held their by the Russian occupying forces, to be a sham.

Why should hundreds of thousands of people die, trying to force those people to be Russian? 

So far as I know,

I'm not convinced Americas various forms of power make America invulnerable.

Nations fall eventually, nations change,

America 'could have a civil war again, though I'm not 'expecting one anytime soon.

If America became fractured and weak, better we have 'tried to encourage the world to be better, than worse.

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Fair question, why these two countries are prioritized,

I don't know enough about world events, politics, military and so on, to have a good answer.

I'm not sure there are 'hundreds of invasions every year though?

@zedvictor4

Showed them risking 'everything alongside their people I suppose,

To go with their army, into war and battle.

@NoOneInParticular

Nonlethal, contests, and/or limited war,

To decide outcomes of power and influence.

I suppose 'companies compete in such a way,

Appealing as they can to the customer,

Overhanded or underhanded, setting prices, advertising, so on.

'Sounds better than death, for people to decide matters in such a way,

Or at least limited death,

Though I suppose limited death 'does follow in many a war.

Take the American Civil War,

Not as though every soldier died, nor every civilian fought or to the end.

Instead proxies were used, by many southern citizens, northern citizens, even if they supported their causes financially.

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People often 'hate going under the yoke of others though,

Like their own values, laws, freedoms.. . .

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Be 'galling beyond one's limit perhaps,

To accept a limited contest, then live under tyranny,

Not that I'm saying the north was tyrannically, I'm just thinking about the idea 'generally speaking,

Say Nazi Germany for example, challenged some country to a contest,

Each country send 1 man,

Country that loses must accept being ruled by the other.

'Galling I say again, beyond endurance, to submit to such.

Well, 'some peoples endurance.

What were your expectations, years ago?

What are your expectations now?

A new song for me, I like it.

Encourages making use of the time one has,

And comments on bit awkward relationships, people sometimes have with their parents.

What thread?

If it's one you posted to,

Maybe go to your profile, go to the forum section of your profile, go to the posts section of your forum section.

If it was a recent page you went to, maybe use history if your phone has that function.

If you know the name of the thread, maybe use the forum search button.

I appreciate that.

I often worry I haven't done enough for my Dad,

And I worry he'll die before I've done enough for him, in thanks for what he's done.

I also worry he'll die before I do anything worth bragging about, worth him being proud of me,

Course he 'is proud of me,

But I want something 'greater, for him to be proud of.

'Bit wanting to repay him,

Bit selfish wanting to be well thought of.

Though there have been a couple of shows my family liked assigning characters to family members, looks never popped into it.

Well, welcome back then.

I am reminded of Beni Gabor, from The Mummy (1999 film),

Not that I'd expect him to be saved by 'any of the religions in divine intervention.

But what one 'get's from their effort,

Depends on their belief/commitment in it, perhaps.

Once people 'know something is possible, they become able themselves,

Such as breaking the 4 minute mile.

Or various technological achievements,

Once one country manages, others often do as well.

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If one doesn't have faith that a diet or mental health regiment will improve them,

They won't put in the effort, more likely won't achieve the result.

Course they might not achieve the result anyway,

But eh.

Walking and singing is fun, soft or loud,

Helps if one memorizes a song.

Though perhaps some people are fine creators and improvisors on the fly,

I am not.

I'm not specifically speaking about Christianity or religion,

Really many beliefs fall into my thoughts below.

If a person is strong enough, I think it is better to be out in the world, yet aware of there being more.

(Not that I believe in such myself, but if I 'did believe in something after)

There are people suffering, that one could aid,

Though living by example can be good as well.

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Though perhaps even living in a monastery,

One could aid others.

One is 'still of this world, being human,

Even should one practice some aesthetic, spartan, abstaining lifestyle, that is not focused on rampant greed, power, and acquisition at the cost of others.

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To be in the world but not of it.

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People sometimes talk of the body as a vessel, a shell, this life temporary, these materials not what we take with us.

To be not of it, is to focus on development of ones character, I imagine.

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I don't know if the religious should isolate or not,

It doesn't seem a bad way to live according to their beliefs,

But it seems better even, to try to help others.

(Depending on the religion)

Depends on one's means maybe,

And the character of the various schools.

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People often yelp about religious people doing a disservice to their kids,

But eh, same people would probably think it's fine to pull kids out of Nazi Germany school teaching Aryan Power.

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I don't know the to what extend should they engage or choose not to engage.

Not everyone is 'capable of doing 'more,

Sometimes people can do more harm than good,

Depends on the people maybe.

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To convert and retreat, applies the same for many a cause maybe,

Send people out to gain people, power, and land.

Increase one's Enclaves, land, inner territories,

Insulate the center, while wearing away at what surrounds.

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My view is 'many creeds ought do both,

Weak and lukewarm believers, will only get converted if sent out,

Will not raise their children properly,

Will not maintain their community properly.

Strong believers, are able to maintain themselves, their descendants, and communties.

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Though that's not to say what is Caesar's cannot be changed.

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I'm still an atheist, I just think your logic is flawed.

Maybe people burn themselves.

Hell can be the choices of an individual,

Self destructive,

Vicious world view, being an enemy to everyone, having enemies everywhere,

No comfort but self, but in greed, material, and cruel thoughts.

Bed of nails and glass.

Lot of game theory works in the Bible, to my view.

Lot of values that deal with empathy,

Lot of people care about empathy, care about others and their pain,

'Basic human concept.

@TheUnderdog

And I thought people usually took that story as a sign of Gods intervention,

A miracle, for a couple so long not having children, to have kids in their old age,

Miracle by the act of God, some might view it,

Nothing impossible for God.

17Abraham fell facedown. Then he laughed and said to himself, “Can a child be born to a man who is a hundred years old? Can Sarah give birth at the age of ninety?” 18And Abraham said to God, “O that Ishmael might live under Your blessing!”

@NoOneInParticular

I often wonder who thumbs up some comments.

'Might be the reasons we've suggested, hard for me to tell,

I'm mistaken often enough in life.

Just scenes and sections are nice sometimes,

Being able to repeat every book or movie one has seen verbatim, would be quite a feat,

Though I'm sure many people could manage 'some select movies or books verbatim, if they tried.

But as I said, I'm pretty happy just thinking on sections or scenes sometimes.

What types of book sections, do you like memorizing?

Thank you, but I decline.

Yes,

But I don't do it as much as I would like to.

Still it's enjoyable,

To remember a passage in detail,

To relive it's moment,

Or state it in argument.