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@LucyStarfire
'Maybe, I have an earlier version that I think only has one resolution, but it's wide.
Never tried videos or shotcut before.
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@LucyStarfire
Thanks, I put my video suggestion in the politics section of the DART Discord.
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@LucyStarfire
What's the DebateArt Discord server?
or address for where we would send them over Discord?
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Core ideas can survive, where the people and organizations die.
Religious or not, people need foundations within, to act one way or another.
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@LucyStarfire
If one ate 'primarily sugar,
I'd imagine diabetes, lack of vitamins, weight gain, as potentials.
'Maybe works well short term, but not as well long term, as some other foods.
But I'm not a doctor.
Some chocolate has caffeine, which can energize people some.
Course too much caffeine has it's own health problems I imagine.
Sweets 'are tasty though.
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@LucyStarfire
Do you accept videos and shorts from other users on DART,
If so, how might one send such a video to you?
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@fauxlaw
I 'do hope it goes well, with no complications.
I'm glad the odds are in your favor.
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@LucyStarfire
For the potential good of the site,
You've my permission to use posts of mine as well.
Good on you for asking people, and for making the channel.
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@Mall
Do you not think your answers can be strong enough to cause the so called tricks in the questions to fail?
No. That's the 'point of a trick question.
Socrates for instance, misrepresenting opponents arguments, and then asking for a yes or no.
One simply 'must evade some questions.
Don't questions and answers prove or disprove points?
Not always.
Isn't this why they have cross examinations in debates?
I'm unsure,
I suppose 'sometimes it's to better understand the opponent,
Other times, maybe it's to try to get the opponent to say something stupid. Disrupt their train of thought.
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@Reece101
Dissociated,
As much as I enjoy some movies, it's someone else's story.
Not counting dreams and daydreams of what I would do in their shoes.
I suppose it there 'was a movie where I was putting myself in the protagonists shoes, 'while I was watching,
Might be a first person movie,
Cloverfield (2008)
Hardcore Henry (2015)
But I don't remember if I 'was doing that or not.
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@Mall
Probably,
Though I imagine I do so 'less in conversational debates.
And would think I do so even less, in forum conversations.
I generally think of the 'point of an official debate, is to provide the strongest argument one 'can for one's side.
. . . Course one could argue that's a 'flaws in many countries politics.
Sometimes though, it's better to just 'take the hit and mitigate it, than to try to evade it.
. . .
And some direct questions 'should be evaded, as they can be 'trick questions, trying to force you lockstep into the 'opponents logic and thoughts.
Or 'technically bad for one's point/s, but only 'technically. Just because I might evade a question, doesn't mean the question was legitimate.
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@21Pilots
One can write the lyrics themself, then use AI for the instruments or vocals, I'd imagine.
Impressive enough, and more than I've ever written for music.
Though, even using AI for lyrics, I can find impressive.
Can show an appreciation for music,
And 'still brought about something cool.
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@21Pilots
I think some characters and fictional universes become so vast/familiar in popular culture,
It is similar to one saying they are making a Sci Fi Movie, or a Western.
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@zedvictor4
Whether as fuel, tools, or spiritually, I agree.
. . . Heh, we 'are the Borg.
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@fauxlaw
Well, 'serial 'killing people, in itself, seems kind of dumb.
In the sense of it is an activity highly dangerous to oneself.
. . .
But if they 'manage it, it can show 'some intelligence in a serial killer.
But even stupid people can hit upon a simple method and stick to it.
Simple disguise and get someone out alone somewhere.
I'd imagine it was easier, the further back in technology and society we go.
All these cameras, computers, fingerprints.
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@IlDiavolo
Good point,
Though. . . Thinking on it,
As big as America 'is about Freedom, there's 'always been limitations.
Colonial America was pretty Puritan, though of a number of different Christian Denominations. (I think)
Under God, and all that.
Even 'with religious freedom (To a degree)
Lot of laws were going to have their norms and starts in Christian thought and society around that time, maybe.
Course, we also have a number of laws on drugs.
. . .
X is wrong, and we don't want to be around X.
Certain X's can be found in Religious 'or Atheist communities I think.
Just depends what the norms and surrounding values are, maybe.
. . .
Some Americans 'are Libertarians.
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@Mall
What's your style?
Casual.
Do you rehearse your points, make out drafts?
I make out drafts, yeah, then usually edit them a few times.
If I debated from first drafts, or did in person debates,
I think my quality as a debater would be worse.
. . . Least until I gained experience in that venue.
Are you looking to learn to understand the opposing stance?
Sometimes, sometimes I'm trying to learn from a debate,
And even when not trying so hard to learn, it can be useful to understand where the opponent is coming from in their arguments.
Some past debates I've read the opponents profile, past debates, past comments.
Might try to make arguments or appeals related to their country/culture/beliefs.
Do you operate with a bias?
Yes. Though I think it can be good to dial one's bias back.
Can only convince 'some of the voters, if one only appeals to one's own values.
Can only 'know of 'some arguments, if one tunnel visions oneself.
Are you liberal , progressive, libertarian?
I feel a patchwork of different Isms.
Though I might lean Conservative and Libertarian.
Why aren't you non liberal?
I'm not sure how to define Liberal.
. . .
This is the basis in what you argue for.
I've argued 'some debates on the opposite of what I believe.
If I can't make 'some sort of argument that the opposition might make, that 'isn't in the form of a strawman.
Maybe means I don't actually understand the opposition.
Also been some topics I've felt undecided on, so arguing both sides, can allow me to see what I 'do value and bias for.
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@LucyStarfire
I don't know the context,
But humans often 'like meaning, and being 'useful is often a type of meaning.
Can give them a sense of purpose, of 'why.
In a more 'advantage over others sense,
Useful people are sometimes more valued.
Sure you can teach others how to do X task at work, but then you lose some of your 'value, and become more replicable.
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"In 2022, world production of pistachios was one million tonnes, with the United States, Iran, and Turkey combined accounting for 88% of the total."
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@Castin
I'm not sure 'what got him banned in particular,
From the ban reason, 'appears to be just wouldn't leave some people alone.
I 'do think I recall he would often get into flame wars with trolls,
But when 'not in such, he had some interesting views and topics.
I 'always thought it was too bad.
She had points of view I found extremely interesting, doubled by the fact they were not all that common.
But over time she 'really kept seeming to take offense from people, where I don't think any way given.
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@ResurgetExFavilla
@badger
Bougie?
Bourgeois?
I suppose certain necessity items and styles 'do become hobbies more than practical necessity, at certain points.
Same with lot of martial arts, swords, and bows.
Though I still see guns and freedom of what we are 'allowed to own, as necessities.
Be nice if the police acted more like the rest of us though, be polite and non-escalating with people and situations.
No reason to assume 'every car a police officer stops for not fully stopping at the stop sign, or a broken rear light. Contains a violent criminal.
I suppose some fixes could be more soft approach training, higher pay in exchange for being unarmed, robotic police officer drones controlled by real people.
I don't know about other police, but even if America had no guns, I could see American police being irritating about their authority and force.
175 days of voting left.
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@Castin
Well, they weren't the main 'characters first cousins.
Maybe it's for the best, there was never a Jade Empire 2
"Described as a loose follow-up to Jade Empire, Revolver is a smorgasbord of different styles — a cyberpunk world of demonic businessmen and leather-clad gangers slicing up metrocops, all painted with the East-Asian influence of its supposed predecessor."
While that 'does sound cool, it's too much of a time jump for me,
I'd still want to enjoy the time period of Jade Empire 1,
Wouldn't have to be a 'world changing questline, but I'm sure there would still be other happenings in Jade Empire around that time period.
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@MayCaesar
Totally worth replaying Mass Effect, I agree.
But I don't have a strong opinion on the endings in the third,
I 'think I disliked the 'original ending/s from what I read about them, and 'maybe the extended cut ending/s too, but that was a while ago.
KOTOR, Neverwinter Nights, I've heard good things, but have never played.
I greatly enjoyed Dragon Age 1,
Jade Empire was pretty fun, colorful story, combat. 'Choices were a bit lacking, but it still felt fun clicking on them.
Baldur's Gate 1 was enjoyable, 'interesting for me to play an older game, though it feels a 'bit clunky now. There was a lot of tactics and strategy in fights.
I never tried any of the later Dragon Age games, or Baldur's Gate 2.
Baldur's Gate 3 seems pretty popular with people, though I've not played that either.
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@Sir.Lancelot
Looking at my Reddit Search history the last couple weeks,
Gun Control in Canada, Laws on Homosexuality in American History, War in Iran, Animal Consciousness, Some History in India.
Recently read 'half of a book on Thomas Aquinas,
I found some of it interesting, such as how it described Dominicans during that time.
To me it would seem better to gather money and supplies, to 'then travel and preach, but I found the arguments of experiencing some of the hardships of life, to better preach, interesting.
"If we are to give water to others to drink, we must drink from our own wells first;
If we are to preach to others from the book of life, we must first read from the book of our own experience."
- Thomas Aquinas
Was a sentence or two in the book that talked about how 'many times, choirs would sing psalms and hymns, in their lifetime. I forget the number, but it was a lot.
Had me thinking about 'music some, as well as retention of ideas.
Some interesting thoughts on humans/animals, materialism, platonism, body, mind, soul.
But I don't really 'remember those too well, couldn't understand them quite.
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@ResurgetExFavilla
I always enjoyed Civilization 3,
Though stacks of doom were annoying,
And diplomacy felt limited, stop declaring war on me from the other side of the world!
Civilization 4, also fun, but 'again, blasted stacks of doom.
Fall from Heaven 2 mod was fun.
I 'vaguely recall Civilization 2 as a kid, but don't think I played it much.
I don't 'think I've played any of the other Civilizations games.
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@LucyStarfire
I suppose, but I assume more human choose to live, than to give up in bad circumstances.
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@LucyStarfire
Glancing at Wikipedia, seems it's been in an odd state in the USA, of being banned, unbanned, banned but with extension, and plans of something or other.
Still regaurdless, more than just USA users use DART.
So Tik Tok could still have value.
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@LucyStarfire
True, There 'are a lot more media platforms than just YouTube.
Tik Tok had/has a US ban, in recent history I think?
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@LucyStarfire
Good points,
One could also make both,
Or for some content, one could make a longer compilation 'out of their shorts.
I don't really 'like shorts in 'general, that much myself.
A lot feel clickbait, excessive padding, fluff, superfluous inferior quality duplicate of a longer video.
'But, maybe longer videos that as well sometimes, just easier to 'see such in short videos.
Though I 'do like some shorts,
Not a fan of the scroll for random feature,
Though maybe there are more features I don't know of.
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@LucyStarfire
Shorts probably 'do get to the punchline of a video quicker,
And one can watch 'more of them in one sitting.
Long videos, I think I heard something about 'some people making long videos, for the ads that get added to videos?
Or something about YouTube valuing long videos more?
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Why do people accept being prisoners of war, made slaves, or tortured?
I suppose 'any life is sweeter than no life?
Any chance at escape or freedom, worth suffering for?
But 'lot of history seems to end up with prisoners led about in parade and then executed at some point (Ancient Rome)
. . . Maybe they 'still had hope, or accepted their fate in 'exchange for something such as their city or family not being 'also executed?
'Modern War, 'ideally has a lot more laws around treating POWs well,
Many cases it doesn't turn 'out that way though.
. . . Though, less a fear of being sacrificed on some stone alter I suppose, and maybe 'greater hope of 'some 'day freedom.
Maybe odds were better in ancient times than I assume.
Maybe life is sweeter than I assume, even in terrible conditions.
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@fauxlaw
I think sometimes Users 'want to debate a person, who actually believes the Strawman.
Extremists 'do exist.
Other times, maybe they think the Strawman they constructed is an honest depiction of the other side,
And it's only by debating the Strawman, they might learn real other side was something different.
I don't think people are 'usually 'trying to make Strawmen. Maybe.
One can always ask for debate to be altered into less of a Strawman in the comments.
But not necessarily opposing ideas, are good too.
I say give the people what they want,
Though 'official tournaments, are probably better with more balanced debates.
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@MayCaesar
I never actually 'played Mass Effect 3,
Though I enjoyed 1 and 2.
Great characters and story, fun to interact with and experience.
Had to reload a couple times I think, after stumbling into romantic relationships, unintentionally.
I 'think the combat was fun, but it's been a while since I played, I remember the story and characters more.
Was fun running around, finding out more and more or the world and lore.
Enjoyed the amount of 'choice the games gave.
I think I would have preferred they 'never showed Quarian faces.
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@Barney
Arguments are made up of 'parts, yes?
In a way, it seems odd to divide arguments into pieces, and yet still have 'arguments as a category left over.
(Though I think still helpful to voters at times, as reminder what they are looking for)
(Also useful in not making a debate vote black or white, people dislike Steam reviews for being thumbs up or down, at times)
But when one says better arguments they mean,
Logic, Consistency, Practicality, Style, Legibility, Conduct, Sources?
Probably even more.
Though some such as Conduct are odd in a way,
I've heard some lawyers in ancient times could be downright abusive liars verbally, yet be thought of as 'fantastic debaters, sometimes 'because of how 'well they were abusive or lied.
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@Ultracrepidarian
Create a DART YouTube channel,
Encourage contribution from Users.
Encourage current users to comment and vote on debates.
Set up a table of contents of decent forum topics and debates on DART, categorized by subject.
They can get buried at times, but are sometimes 'relevant to new users, and this relevance can be seen when seeing what they debate, for instance.
Then when one votes, one can also link drop the decent forum thread or debate.
By decent I mean engaging, interesting to read, or well argued.
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@Sir.Lancelot
Eh, 'currently, casual, I think,
I make a lot of metaphors and analogies.
Quote people a lot, try to find examples, history, precedent, proof.
Maybe a bit too poetic at unsuitable times, but I like prose, at times.
Emotionally appeal at times, which I don't see as an 'always fallacy.
Sometimes try to set a trap or get my opponent to say something particular, usually fail at or misfire that.
Sometimes try 'possible arguments I haven't fully researched, but then have to abandon later. Nice when they work out though. And at least can serve as Red Herrings.
'Usually try to be genuine I think, to 'spirit of the debate, sometimes not so much out of desperation to 'try to put up a fight as I think one ought 'try to give their opponent a fight.
Sometimes more conversational of a debate, I think friendly debates work better, claiming everything the opponent does as a fail, feels more a timewaster than productive.
Sometimes try to 'order main points, for ease of reading, whether 1,2,3 or A,B,C or BOLDING main 'idea of an argument being pushed.
I sometimes enjoy somewhat vague debates on a subject in 'general or in the way commonly known.
'Ideally fill out description of debate enough to avoid people cheating spirit of the debate.
Sometime try to counter opponent before they even 'make an argument, better on your terms than theirs, maybe.
Also, just passed you on the leaderboard for votes cast on debates. Heh.
Next up, Best.Korea.
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@ResurgetExFavilla
Some of what is debated, changes.
Some older debates on Debate.org, There was a lot more debates on Homosexuality for instance, due to various law changes in America around that time.
But it's kind of rolled past, new generation new normal, such as Gays in the US military.
LGBT might be a more of a current topic in India.
But it's interesting, different culture, different history, different norms, different debates?
I don't think we 'need people to be rude to have honest or interesting debates,
I think polite is better,
People get offended at times by rudeness, stops being about debating the topic, and instead more about slinging insults.
. . . Even if some older users tend to debate the same themes year after year,
I imagine their viewpoints have and 'are still evolving.
Maybe they've changed some views.
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Hm, thinking on Aesthetics again, and whimsical Reasons and Values.
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@WyIted
Thanks for the link,
And that's what I get for not paying attention to MEEPs.
They ought include a disclaimer on that old COC then.
. . .
It 'does say,
"We do not permit the worst forms of trolling, such as spamming, posting irrelevant or inflammatory content"
"impersonation (pretending to be someone else) are strictly prohibited on DebateArt.com"
"Moderators have the right to rename a thread or debate title if it is deemed to be offensive or inappropriate. This includes any title or thread that is harmful or offensive to a particular individual or group."
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@Mharman
Reddit, I dislike how a new page opens up when you press a + sign, in it's comments.
Then it only shows 1 or 2 replies, and you have to press the + again, but it just opens up a 'new page with one or two comments, further from the main page.
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I never reported Lashwnda, but I am glad they are gone, as I suspected them of being a sock puppet account, a not obvious enough parody, and their (In my view) excessive language. . . Also spam.
Were I a Mod or President, I'd support such a ban.
"Multi-accounting and any action indistinguishable from it is prohibited. Dispensation may be granted on a case-by-case basis, such as for multiple users within a single residence; but they will have certain restrictions applied (e.g., never voting on each other’s debates)."
"You may not impersonate individuals, groups, or organizations in a manner that is either intended to or likely to deceive others. Parody accounts are acceptable, so long it is clear that they are parodies and do not parody other site users."
"4. If a user spams (including overtly repetitive nonsensical posts), moderation shall:"
"5. If a user’s content includes unwarranted (or excessively toxic) systemic vulgarity and invectives, which may include off topic personal attacks and/or hate speech, moderation shall:"
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If debating is a game/sport like chess,
And electronic chess programs often have AI of various difficulty,
One could make an electronic debate program, with AI of various difficulties.
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Tucker reacts to MSNBC's embarrassing math mess up
I'd 'imagine they 'meant a dollar for each American?
Maybe just reading from a teleprompter?
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An 'old thread on Debate.org,
Argued the site ought to have 'live debates,
I 'assume it meant like Skype, camera and/or voice.
I wonder if all the AI nowadays, increases the value of such an idea.
I think it does, but at the same time, I think the idea 'still has the same old flaws.
Lot of people don't have the time or 'interest, to debate in person.
Lot of people 'like having time to type, research, and revise their arguments.
. . . I suppose DART having an AI checker on debates could have value,
But AI and Checkers, are both 'evolving technologies I assume.
Not 'really something one 'can easily tack on to DART, I'd think.
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"One must not reveal one’s intentions, but instead should attempt to obtain what one wants by any means possible. For it is enough to ask somebody for his weapons without saying, ‘I want to kill you with them’, because when you have his weapons in hand, you can then satisfy your desire."
- Machiavelli's Discourses on Livy, part of chapter 44
I mean, I 'suppose Iran often says it want nuclear power 'just for peaceful purposes,
But then they have all those other 'Death to Israel moments.
. . . Also all the proxies.
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@21Pilots
I think debates with many forfeits are 'usually done by, new for a day and gone, users.
Punishment might lose a bit of it's 'effect, in such cases.
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@LucyStarfire
I wouldn't give food to stray cats, for such a reason as you mention, can lead to more cats.
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Is a debater a logician or/and an orator?
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