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@Skipper_Sr
I don't see my forum posts in my profile,
Though I see my created forum topics.
Qualifications is nice.
My profile picture looks a bit blurry now, I 'think.
I'm not a fan of it so far.
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@Sidewalker
If someone wants to take a knee, that's their choice,
I'd care less if it wasn't a 'national team,
And I think owners ought to be able to kick who they want from the team, if they're not falling in line with expectations.
On the other hand, I don't support the pledge of allegiance in schools,
And I almost always hated having to salute people or flags in the military, but came with the job.
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@zedvictor4
Ooh, nice, I like that one.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
I read that yeah.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
A town hall or a stadium can accommodate the public,
But that isn't to say an individual can't reserve a town hall or stadium for an event,
An event which may have rules,
As decided by whoever holds the event.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
I haven't made my mind up over Trump over DeSantis.
Define public venue?
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@IwantRooseveltagain
It's 'his event,
He can bar entry to people not wearing suits and ties if he wants.
Currently I'd vote for Trump over Biden,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYlGUWFjtM8 - 'Ban assault weapons now,' Biden tells Congress
And I mean I'd vote 'for Trump, instead of a third party like I did last election.
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@RationalMadman
I'd agree that America and Mexico rivalry is not readily apparent to me,
As anything huge these days,
Though it's possible that other's have different views.
And that one 'does hear of a significant amount of human trafficking in Russia these days.
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Though since I've not researched deeply, it's a loosely held view I take,
I don't view my below as well read or educated, but it is my view.
. . .
How did it start?
Well, Russia has been expansion focused for a while (I think)
(For the most part)
The Monarchs expanded
The Communists expanded,
The Oligarchs expanded.
(I think)
I vaguely remember something in the timeline about the UN expanding eastward,
Maybe the current leaders saw it as a threat or opportunity.
Lot of mixing of people,
A common excuse by nations to declare war,
By mixing of people, I mean citizens or race being in another country,
Let's say a significant number of Mexicans moved into the USA,
They and or their descendants, could be used as an excuse for Mexico to attack the USA,
If they could claim their 'people are being mistreated, or 'deserve to be under Mexico's government, and since they're already on the land, it makes no sense to force them to move, Mexico will kindly take charge of the land.
I 'Don't mean this example as an attack against immigration or Mexico,
I could have used other nations as examples, USA expansion into Mexico for example,
Or used X and Y instead of real countries,
But I am lazy and don't feel like rewriting.
. . .
But back to Ukraine,
Even before Russia's invasion of Ukraine in 2022,
There was conflict, excuse/reason.
There was that annexation of Crimea,
I recall something about Georgia,
. . .
My point in all this, is that Russia has been expansive for a while,
Soon as The USSR fell,
Power vacuum and people resituating themselves, reclaiming and acquiring power,
When USSR around,
They were acquiring power,
When Monarchs were around, power,
When chieftains were around, I'm sure power.
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I wonder if anyone's intentionally recorded an album while they had a cold, all the coughing giving them a timbre.
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@zedvictor4
Hm,
I'd suppose and AI can acquire, store, consider, re-appropriate,
Example,
AI is designed to avoid danger,
And given various sensory devices, such as temperature, visual, damage to self,
It encounters something red, temperature has increased, self has melted a bit, (Fire)
It now avoids red,
It encounters something red despite attempts to avoid, temperature does not increase, self is not melting, (Red flower)
It now associates temperature of X levels with danger.
I argue this is not sentience, consciousness, life as we generally know it.
But then, I'm not sure 'quite where sentience and consciousness 'are.
Even many mentally challenged humans, society attribute sentience, consciousness, I think.
Though some individuals do not support animal rights, chimps, dolphins,
They do support human rights.
. . .
Sub-conscious data. . .
Hm, I am unsure of your definition of sub-conscious,
By definition, once we are aware of something, does it not become data we are conscious of?
I suppose one could try to plan for unforeseen influencers, that they never become aware of, yet hinder or help.
Of data people sometimes call unconscious,
I'd suggest humanity has become aware of many,
Whether in self contemplation or recorded scientific study.
. . .
Programmed to die,
Well, 'might be the nature of existence/universe/material, I'm unsure,
Certainly no one has 'yet discovered a philosophers stone, life elixir,
Though science has increased life expectancy at large, by solving some issues,
Still, what human lives to 200 years?
. . .
There 'are long lived animals that live longer than humans,
So one can suppose humans might be bred to live longer,
Perhaps genetic or cyborg engineering upon the self could also extend,
Though there is still a problem,
Forgetting.
By this I mean memory,
There is a video game called Kenshi, in it are some AI robots,
They need to eventually 'reset themselves to their factory setting start eventually,
Or they start to go crazy,
Whether this is due to too much information or decay of information, I cannot say,
But even of computers, I have not seen any immortal.
Rambling a bit here.
. . .
I think that's a workable definition of morality,
But it still runs into the problem of humans,
Our belief in meaning, importance,
Though bodily reflexes may act,
Or the conscious mind look away,
To 'lack that meaning, truth, ought. Hurts, perhaps.
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@zedvictor4
I should like to go for walks more often,
Go camping,
Visit friends and family more,
Laze about in the sun and bubbling brook,
Paint something,
Carve something,
Kiln something,
Fly a kite,
Browse the internet,
Watch videos,
Listen to music,
And more.
It 'sounds nice. . .
But I don't know if it's realistic,
Perhaps people who already don't work would be a good yardstick?
Though there are many different types and situations of such.
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@zedvictor4
Consciousness has been on my mind since a conversation we had, X time ago, 'somewhat recently.
I'm still not sure how to account for it,
Throws my materialism a 'bit out of joint,
An 'annoying number of Google tabs open,
Having to do with the mind, soul, brain, individuality, free will, philosophy, mind body, so on, phrased a number of different ways.
I've yet to hear of an AI that seems more than a simple algorithm,
But I'm not well versed in the subject.
. . .
'Gain intelligence. . .
Hm, feral humans. . (Another tab to open)
. . .
There 'is the argument that certain forms of life are not intelligent,
Whether different animals than humans,
Or humans in early development, such as a fetus,
Yet 'something changes in them, that intelligence, consciousness, presents itself.
. . .
Moral Nihilist,
Well, I don't mean to say that I am moral,
But that I discount objective morality,
May be redundant.
It may be that morality is irrelevant,
. . .
But I find it difficult to help caring,
. . .
Suppose I put it like this,
Some obsessive compulsive individual,
Sees that a picture on the wall is at a tilt,
It pulls on their mind, nerves,
They fix it.
For me, all this morality is the importance of that picture,
But I find it difficult to but to care, in 'some fashion.
I use a tilted picture as an example, because I see it as trivial,
Practically speaking,
Than matters we 'usually consider moral.
One can say that. . . Those moral leanings we have, have meaning because of how they, interact with us, matter, influence us,
That we attribute value to them,
But it's an illusion, an awful one at that, in our realization of the illusion.
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@TheUnderdog
It 'sounds more like sarcasm to me,
Than him saying execute the homeless.
Take this post,
"Rather than improve the living conditions of its citizens, Canada is now simply killing off the homeless and the depressed. We are living in the dystopian future we were warned about, and it's even more grim than anyone predicted."
"A 54-year-old Ontario man is applying for Canada's state-sponsored euthanasia program because he is about to lose his house and does not want to be homeless."
There's also this post in line with #6
"Singapore is able to have nice things in part because they execute drug dealers by hanging and arrest even petty vandals and thieves and beat them with a cane until they bleed. We don't have nice things because we aren't willing to do what is required to maintain them."
I've mixed feelings on regulated actions,
I 'do like freedom,
Though I also think a state and people are stronger, happier, with a degree of. . Regulation,
Course we all have our own ideas of what is good or not,
Degrees of such,
Still, people can choose to live where there be laws they like, I'd suppose.
'Some places, and people.
@NoOneInParticular
According to legend,
Vlad Dracula once held a grand feast,
One of the guest types invited, were the homeless, near and about,
Whilst the feasters feasted,
Dracula shut up the doors, windows, and had the structure lit aflame,
Burning alive, all within.
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I sometimes think the most moral action,
Would be to create a race of unsentient, unthinking, lifeless robots,
To travel all of existence, sterilizing all life they find.
I suppose this pops to mind,
Due to animal rights being discussed elsewhere,
Also a thread someone posted about suing their parents for being born, I think,
An individual who does not exist can not be asked to consent to existence.
Lot of people seem to think it right to abort mentally challenged fetuses, (Given that they claim they are not human/people) (Not that I think that)
Well,
One would assume animals are mentally challenged comparatively to humans,
Life can be rough in the wild, get eaten alive,
And even in captivity, pretty short lifespan, lot of animals.
. . .
Course, such supposes that existence is as I 'suspect/view it, but do not know it is,
Or that AI could be created advanced enough without gaining intelligence,
Also being a moral nihilist, well, fulfills this and that moral value, but not that and this moral value.
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@TheUnderdog
I don't know.
I assume you mean have the kids in the audience,
Rather than preform, but child beauty pageants exist,
Wouldn't surprise me if child drag shows exist,
Though in any case I dislike it,
Treats kids more as objects, commodities,
Source of adults dreams and amusement,
Though it's 'possible I'm wrong, as I've never looked into the subject before.
Maybe I should view it more as enrolling one's kid in soccer,
But I currently don't.
. . .
Still whether audience or participant,
I think it's a disservice to the kid,
Though might be some parents would disagree, claim it raises the kid to be more accepting of trans,
Though I see that as a negative,
(Not that I'm saying we should hate trans)
. . .
There is/has been a lot of cross dressing in film/theater.
Also all the historical stuff in the link,
Which had various reasons,
Such as neccessity,
"Qing Dynasty, due to imperial prohibitions against women performing on stage, considered detrimental to public morality."
"In Renaissance England, women were forbidden from performing on stage,[4] so female roles in the plays of Shakespeare and his contemporary playwrights were originally played by cross-dressing men or boys."
Or practicality,
Kabuki, uses a lot of masks, so really how easy is it to tell someone's sex maybe?
Maybe they just preferred better actor regardless of sex of actor or sex of role.
Comedy,
"Cross-dressing in sixteenth- and seventeenth-century Spain was frequent among actors, and the theater was at the time the most popular form of entertainment. There was a fascination with female cross-dressers particularly (women dressed as men), who were "extremely popular" in the "Golden Age Comedia"
Monty Python,
Mrs. Doubtfire (1993)
White Chicks (2004)
. . .
Of course, through all this, it depends what you mean by 'Drag Show,
For a lot of people opposed,
When they say Drag Show,
They're talking about something sexually explicit or insinuating,
Same way some Gay Pride people might not like 90% naked individuals during a pride parade,
There are straight hookup bars and shows,
I'm pretty sure there are gay hook up bars and shows,
. . .
For the people not opposed,
Well, I imagine if they'd say no to taking your kid to a strip club,
Then a drag strip club is not what they have in mind,
For Drag Show definition.
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@AleutianTexan
Thank you, it's appreciated.
I'm feeling better about it now,
Though I was a fair bit upset the day he relapsed within a week.
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@#665
Well he chose option one, the day after,
Though it was a bit forced I'm thinking,
He talked with my mom a while, before eventually reading and writing yes, to various terms.
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@ebuc
You say humanities end,
Do you mean life as well?
Cockroaches, rats, insects, lizards, so on?
Because if 'they can survive,
I'd imagine intelligent, adaptable, environment changing, 'humans,
Will survive as well.
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@AleutianTexan
I don't know about duty,
Revolution 'can be a means to secure it.
But sometimes one's desire is not so strong,
Or contends with other desires, strong desire for right government, strong desire that this is not done in murder and death,
Other methods than revolution might be expected to work easier, depending on situation,
Though I don't know if people were expecting change,
The situation changed after Franco's death,
"Franco won the war and set up an authoritarian regime that lasted until 1975, providing relative stability while restricting individual liberties and suppressing regional autonomy.
He decreed that on his death the monarchy would be restored, and Prince Juan Carlos de Borbon y Borbon was groomed to become king. Franco died on Nov. 20, 1975, at the age of 82, and the 37-year-old prince became King Juan Carlos I.
The King soon ousted the conservative Prime Minister, Carlos Arias Navarro, and selected a moderate, Adolfo Suarez, for the job. Together they set about restoring democracy and transforming Spain into a constitutional monarchy."
He decreed that on his death the monarchy would be restored, and Prince Juan Carlos de Borbon y Borbon was groomed to become king. Franco died on Nov. 20, 1975, at the age of 82, and the 37-year-old prince became King Juan Carlos I.
The King soon ousted the conservative Prime Minister, Carlos Arias Navarro, and selected a moderate, Adolfo Suarez, for the job. Together they set about restoring democracy and transforming Spain into a constitutional monarchy."
Though there were 'still a lot of people,
For whom the situation failed to live up to their standards, it sounds.
"While often cited as a paradigm of peaceful, negotiated transition, political violence during the Spanish transition was far more prevalent than during the analogous democratization processes in Greece or Portugal, with the emergence of separatist, revolutionary, fascist and vigilante terrorist groups.[3]"
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@K_Michael
I think I get the Schelling points stuff,
People often think alike,
Due to their nature and nurture,
Though some individual may be at odds in their thoughts, of what is natural/common sense,
If their nature/nurture differs enough.
I don't know when one becomes a person,
Certainly at 'some point, individual breathe, think,
Even at conception, there is 'individuality, in the fact of 'difference,
. . .
Hm, then again, are twins different at that point?
Well, 'different from 'other fetuses than themselves,
And even themselves, they're in different locations, developing different perhaps thought slight.
But certainly even a 'bug has individual differences,
Hm, perhaps it's that I 'don't know, that worries me,
For AI, people often mention Data, from Star Trek,
One of the arguments for recognizing him as a person,
Was that people could 'not tell if he was or not.
. . .
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@AleutianTexan
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@AleutianTexan
I think the criteria is a bit vague,
As people and groups have different ideals, lines.
Maybe it would have been better for America to take it slow, in getting Representation.
But I don't really know the history of Britain and it's colonies representation,
I imagine Canada and Australia did 'something,
I 'think those two slowly formed their own governments under Britain's guidance,
Until they separated as nations,
And yet the Canadians and Australians still have the Royal family as their Monarchs,
Which I don't quite get,
But this is off topic.
. . .
Eh, take Germany in WW2,
Certainly individuals and groups oppressed by their government, despite being citizens,
Would have been considered justified in open revolt,
Certainly would not have been able to make change lawfully,
Not with Hitler and his group.
. . .
India,
Didn't seem to have much luck with open revolt, that I recall reading,
Not that it was morally wrong,
But better luck working within and half within the system,
Nonviolent protests being half within I mean.
Maybe protests ought be considered all the way in the system,
But depends on the system.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Survival means are situationally dependent, I'd say,
Though I'd agree meat is a nifty food source.
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@YouFound_Lxam
I don't know,
I've read that plants have evolved over time,
More dangerous during X time period,
Less dangerous in Y time period.
Might be it was easier for some animals, to eat other animals,
Than to eat plants.
Or when certain plants were less nutritious,
Easier to eat the animals that were specialized in eating that plant.
Another thought is that suppose herbivores with no predators ate all the plants,
Well, was probably useful for the one's able to eat other animals.
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@PREZ-HILTON
I'm paranoid about things I don't understand, or that are not 'normalized for me.
I'm not sure that lab grown meat is healthy or ethical.
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@Best.Korea
Since the shift away from animal meat would take place over a long period of time,
I'd argue companies would just restock less as time went by,
Rather than a 'sudden disposal of product.
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@TheUnderdog
Eh, lots of different reasons.
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@AustinL0926
Fair point,
And true people often view it negatively.
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@AustinL0926
Politician says they will enact policy that helps a specific part of America,
Seems 'similar to me.
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@TheUnderdog
I like the idea,
Though I am unsure if meat replacement functionally replaces meat,
Or if infrastructure can support the shift.
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@TheUnderdog
While it's not an exact comparison,
Some people preferred having other humans as slaves.
It 'is a comparison that what we 'desire,
Isn't necessarily what we think it 'right.
Jefferson benefited from slavery,
That he was never able/willing to free his own slaves,
Though he attempted legislation that would have forced himself to free them.
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@Mharman
Ah, one 'does often see cars sliding in videos.
@NoOneInParticular
I wonder how long cars will be our main mode of individual human transport.
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@TheUnderdog
Heh, likely,
Though I eat meat,
And if they had options to replace what was lost,
I'd vote for it.
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@Stephen
Depending on 'how one defines magic,
One could say Hollywood is casting spells, I suppose.
Influencing people's minds with symbols, words, actions, intentionally done.
I'd assume though,
That Wiccans and related, mean something more than psychology, or poetic phrasing of influence.
. . .
Wouldn't surprise me if near 'all things are more popular now,
Except what 'was mainstream,
I think there's two ways of looking at the modern world.
The connections of modern communications homogenizes and yet opens attic coffers.
We all share more common our information,
And no longer city communities seclude themselves,
Yet now online echo chambers are created (Not meant as good or bad)
And easy found, are communities that one's previous location, prevented the finding.
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@TheUnderdog
@#66
If I Google Image, animal with tail, sitting in chair,
They all seem to find it easy enough.
@#51
I actually don't mind banning the eating of meat,
Though 'only if equal alternatives could be found, implemented,
Can't say I could see this done on a national scale,
Least not instantly,
More like a single city, founded by vegetarians or vegans.
'New cities, being my favorite form of new laws,
As assumably/ideally everyone wanted said laws in place.
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Well that's interesting,
Though I'm not sure of the implications,
Probably a bit overblown though,
College isn't 'quite the government,
So even if they pulled his license, I assume he could get another elsewhere.
Still annoying though,
Is this about qualification, or him not speaking their ideals?
Well, maybe they find him inflammatory, worry about losing money?
Bah, military or school, one works for someone else,
'Required classes, training, education,
Can't have an online opinion that's disagreeable to your boss.
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I suppose for people being depressed by bad memories,
It'd be a help to keep in mind their good memories,
Worthy actions, deeds,
Moments of happiness, joy in life,
Easy they are forgotten at times,
Blending in, little notice taken for granted,
Whilst the bad come as a threat,
Demand brain space and attention.
. . .
Though I've spoken of it before,
I like reminding myself of it,
A coworker once gave me a smoky black quartz as a gift,
I think of it as amusing, and thought provoking,
My coworker said it would keep bad luck away, or attract it away from me into the crystal or something,
But the idea of bad situations being my own doing, was a fun thought,
Not 'quite true of course,
Bad and chances comes as it comes,
Argument 'against that being Stoicism,
How 'we respond, 'choose to feel,
Certainly there 'is a degree of control we have,
Should we keep our mindfulness up,
A degree of influence chosen 'perspectives have,
In enduring.
. . .
I recall an atheist once,
Working through Alcohol Anonymous's steps,
Got stuck up on the Deity part,
All I could encourage was he take his dreams, goals, people he loved, as his Deity,
His 'reason, utmost value.
. . .
I find that I hate evil fiction myself,
Tales of suffering, woe, humiliation, dehumanization, outside the norm, destruction, break of character, home, people, and right,
It. . .Fills me with an outrage,
Silly perhaps, fiction,
But fiction is oft meant 'to draw one in, give a 'view, a lie true illusion,
I don't think it's right to be materialized into print,
I don't think it's right to be materialized within people's minds.
Heh, thought police.
But I hardly think this unordinary of me.
And yet,
It's one of the causes of terror within me,
As a Nihilist, a Materialist, Atheist,
Seeing no safety net,
And 'anything possible, never safety, never justice, ahhh it's one of those days for me, seems,
Where I get a slight mood from some evil bit of fiction,
But why don't I just stop reading it, alas.
. . .
The Christian at least, can believe in some salvation after,
That one need not be rewarded on Earth,
But in a general sense of game theory,
No, rather rewarded by Truth, by a Righteous Life, in. . . as I said, salvation,
'Meaning, purpose, unending to endure.
Well, some theists. . .
. . .
Nor can I salve myself with rage and action against fiction's villains,
Besides their nonexistence,
Hatred 'itself, I view as a wrong,
Due to an ideal of 'saving/converting others. rather than destroying them,
Believing that people are never 'without good,
Though where came this belief in me?
It's not in my 'realistic view,
Rather I believe in nothing,
Yet 'yearn for something,
The mutability and lack of solid disorients me.
. . .
Ahh, it's one of those days,
But pass on, pass on,
So the ring says,
So memory, experience, endure till death, doing one's best,
Well, maybe not best, but hanging in.
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@sadolite
An unfortunate truth,
And I expect he'll refuse to admit any fault or responsibility in this last incident,
Refuse our requirements, end up back in his hometown.
A horse to water,
Yet hope and effort, we're willing, if only he will be.
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@AleutianTexan
Oh cool,
A friend of mine met his wife online,
She had a job on some islands west of Alaska I think,
Though she's not Aleutian.
He visited her, and later they got married,
Funny enough in Texas, where her parents live.
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Well this is disappointing, though not unexpected.
My 2nd brother got out of jail recently,
Had spoken while in there, that he wants to get off drugs,
First time he's said that.
So my mother, eldest brother, and I, offered him a place to live, if he did not use drugs, and would piss in a cup.
Went alright for about a week,
Though the effects of past drug use are still upon him,
Influencing his ideas, mannerisms, as he presumably did no drugs in jail for a while,
But 'years of use and their effect. . .
Still he did not use any drugs for a week while with us.
His teeth are a wreck from drug use,
One of the ways we've been trying to help, is set him up with a dentist,
But it's a long wait, antibiotics he has now,
But extraction, dentures, a time away.
But this morning I am awoken by my eldest brother,
He and my mother had found my 2nd brother on the couch, seemingly in pain, making noises,
They found an aerosol of Dr Clean,
When they called the number on the can, my brother became upset, violent, threatening, thought they were calling the cops,
Stated a desire to punch my eldest brother in the face, threatened with a golf club, broke a shelf, then broke the club,
Left the house when they began calling the cops.
34 degrees outside,
It's six in the morning, he's not come back yet.
. . .
And now he has come back,
Angry, demanding to be let in,
Saying it is our fault for calling the police,
Saying he is honest, straightforward, has done nothing wrong,
First demands all his stuff so he can just go before the police arrive again,
Then as we are packing his stuff, he, still outside, keeps demanding what he did wrong,
Eventually my mother and eldest brother decide on getting him a motel, for a day or two,
Reasoning it will give all more time to think, cool down, though they expect
I'll pay a third towards the price,
And there he is, for a day or two, looks like.
. . .
Three options have been decided upon, by my mother, eldest brother and I.
One
He can admit his fault, in using, in destruction, in threatening, go to weekly therapy,
And we'll try again.
Two,
He goes to rehab, and we're willing to let him stay with us, try again, under the same conditions as option one.
Three,
We'll drive him and his stuff back to our hometown, where he lived before coming to our house,
We'll buy him a tent, and keep trying to help him, but from a distance,
Though still, if he just goes to rehab, therapy, we'll try again.
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Interesting, reading a Reddit about Locke,
https://www.reddit.com/r/philosophy/comments/ljmza6/memory_identity_and_responsibility_according_to/
Lot of people, unforgiving.
Though perhaps such is due to degrees.
Time between memory loss,
Amount the person has changed.
Recalls me to a number of manga,
Which have some hero with memory loss, and in past they used to be bad guy,
But in story they're nice guy.
Makes me think of Total Recall (1990) Schwarzenegger,
'Memory.
. . .
How much does something need to change,
Before it is no longer identified as what it was?
Or until a person can be forgiven?
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@Reece101
Probably not,
I don't like bugs. (Due to nurture)
I doubt they're 'that healthy.
I try 'not to think about how some foods are prepared.
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Illidan said "I am my scars"
By which I think he meant not only in body, but experiences, viewpoint, psych.
Blackmoore said, something along the lines of my intentions and actions towards you, made you what you are.
Drek'Thar agreeing, but that so did all of Thralls other experiences.
What about when one 'shares a body,
Such as Siamese twins,
I suppose such might be as people sharing a nation and it's history, culture.
Soothsayer Goat said "Your story may not have such a happy beginning, but that doesn't make you who you are, it is the rest of your story, who you choose to be."
Po said "What do scars do? They fade,"
Someone I don't know said, “I am another you, you are another me.”
I suppose, if one believes in pantheism,
Encourages the Golden Rule, perhaps,
But then by that logic,
No one needs permission to cause harm to themself,
Thus if other's are also me, need I their permission?
Discourages, the Golden Rule, perhaps,
Confusion,
Why anything, I can't grasp it.
. . .
I suppose one could think of a city, nation, or community,
As having consenting interaction,
Even if someone wears white shoes, people would be able to banish them, if they crafted a law thus,
Easier online though, I imagine.
. . .
I often think of Wittgenstein's Lion,
And wonder if ever we are speaking ourselves, legibly,
Certainly 'this post is incoherent a bit,
But ah well, random thoughts.
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This thought has been occurring to me lately,
Though it is perhaps a 'regression of morality on my part.
. . .
People often talk about 'character,
Rather than appearance,
But I am a Nihilist,
Why 'must this be so.
Glancing about manga,
I saw one about a woman marrying an andromorphic wolf,
I only read the description,
I find myself unable to think of the anthro as other than an animal.
Though of course they are not a simple wolf,
Hm, I'm reminded of a thread on dehumanization,
The idea of reading about a 'relationship, between two species, even if intelligent, bothered me,
Though I suppose I like the webcomic Freefall well enough,
Perhaps it's lack of realistic art, does not offput me,
As well as much of the plot dealing with other questions.
. . .
Hm, I don't ever 'quite recall saying I've no discriminatory views myself,
Only that I think I like myself more than various groups I could be said to belong.
. . .
I think Jake Sully of Avatar,
Is a traitor to the Human Race, myself,
Though one can make an argument for 'people mattering, or honor in the sense of people mattering.
. . .
Hm,
Just a question of values,
Meaningless themselves anyhow,
But I cannot do without them, seems.
. . .
Would a more intelligent human,
Be more a person than I,
Many people consider themselves more people,
Than the mentally handicapped,
Or fetuses,
Though Horton says a person's a person.
Well,
I don't feel 'all there, first waking in the morning. . .
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Thinking to self,
Two twins, hands on a stove,
If the body is a wire,
Then they are both wired to the same experience (Mostly)
But . . .
The brain, identity develops differently,
By experiences, development,
And individual may build up a tolerance to pain,
Though one can argue the brain is material, thus their wires are different.
. . .
Siamese twins,
Whether attached at arms or head,
Does such question the concept of self?
Why ought it,
People have believed in souls, yet believed in possessions,
Though,
Such is at odds with my own perspective,
Being an Atheist,
I've seen people with Schizophrenia, Alzheimer's, Drug induced Psychosis,
Arguably they are symptoms of matter,
Drugs, or a lack of, return one more to normal,
Though,
One 'could still argue the soul.
. . .
But returning to why ought shared experience, question the nature of self,
Why ought it?
People sense many a phenomenon,
Albeit using their own senses, separate,
Albeit in separate locations,
A man with blurry vision, see's not what an eagle eyed fellow sees.
Two individuals on sperate sides of a wall, each side painted a different color,
Do not see the same wall color.
. . .
Still, information is sharable,
Though individuals give different scores out of 10,
On a pain scale, to the same stimuli,
Still a shared experience,
Though not so direct or clearly shared.
. . .
Still the brains of two brains sharing a body, are different,
And small differences,
Veer apart two people's sameness,
Small notices, thoughts,
Thus each a self, I'd argue.
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I expect the only aliens humanity to meet,
To be connected of their blood or actions,
One option of which, I'd count transhumans,
By accident, intention, or time.
Though there's 'individual trans,
And reproducing trans.
Certainly a human who cuts off his fingers and toes, lacks broad flat nails.
And certainly dogs show the effects of genetic changes through generations.
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If everyone had an incorrect belief,
Would that belief be objectively true?
I wouldn't say so myself,
True by 'a standard, yes.
And sure, I'd say I suspect there are 'truths, 'facts,
But I'm not sure I can 'know them, sometimes.
. . .
Well, it's a sidebar conversation anyhow,
Even if someone is wrong to the point 'I or society considers their wrongness a fact,
Doesn't always matter.
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