Lemming

I don't want to live in a society that normalizes pedophilia or bestiality, meth use,

And claims that such actions are 'good, normal, beneficial.

It doesn't matter if they don't happen to me.

I still wouldn't 'like it, if it developed in a 'different society,

But if it happens in 'MY society,

I've a stronger obligation to oppose it.

I currently decline to look up a legal case study for this example I consider such basic common sense.

You think sports has a hard time of separating classes by sex?

A brain tumor can tell a person to kill people,

Doesn't make it 'normal or desirable.

And arguably, I'd say people are bothered less by people born with genetic defects in body, or scientifically identifiably 'material brain disorders,

Than they are by people who 'normalize sex changes for 'normal people.

Suppose one had a globe sized video game,

As in many different groups and cultures,

Would it be better to randomize colors and features of the groups?

Or to give them distinct features?

Even if one randomizes,

I'm not talented enough to randomize culture as well,

Plus it seems a bit wacky to randomize culture, to me.

Sure America and a number of other nations are relatively diverse, even homogonous nations having diversity,

But part of the 'appeal of fantasy in my mind is giving areas a 'theme,

Sure McDonalds may be next to Thai Food in some American food district,

But fantasy again, tends to theme,

Even in sci fi, Klingon design, Federation design, Vulcan, Romulan.

I suppose I only bring it up because I've noticed some people want avatars or npcs that represent them, though it goes at odds with themes at times.

Just random musing.

Say there are three doors in a zoo, and I lie to an individual, telling them that the trapdoor to the Tiger Pit is the bathroom,

How do I need a citation?

Free Speech doesn't need to be black and white,

There's gray, exceptions,

It's like that blasted abortion disagreement this site had a bit ago,

People fall into the gray more than the extremes, I 'think,

It's absurd to go about life in black and white morality/

There's a reason men and women are separated to a degree in society, 'beyond weight.

The point is that Mike Tyson would have to actually 'be bantam weight,

He couldn't just 'say he was because he 'felt like it,

And as current technology goes, a normal human man can't be made into a woman or vice versa, I think.

@Bones

It's a bit off topic, but I suppose I'd understand compelled speech if it were a nation built around and 'of an idea,

Such as if America 'was a Theocratic state,, requiring an oath before God for public officials when taking office,

Would 'limit the country though, to Christians, thus limiting talent, which would be bad,

Though argument can be made for homogeneity,

And I 'greatly dislike how items such as the pledge of allegiance trivialize oaths and by such make them meaningless.

I can't say I view America 'as a pure Theocratic state currently though,

Though it's not the separation between church and state that I say this,

Even with such a separation, I think religion could have a heavy enough pull that people 'still make laws and expectations around it,

Number of monarchies, even when they had power, monarchs and people still steeped in religion.

Not saying I 'want America to be a Theocratic state,

Just that if a nation were founded or 'of enough people who believe certain concepts, an 'amount of compelled speech would be required,

A lesser example would be no cursing in school.

People can 'call 'themselves what they wish,

But,

We can't have male or female prisoners going to the wrong prison, just because they 'say they're the opposite sex,

We can't have Mike Tyson competing in the Bantam weights, just because he 'says he weighs  116 pounds.

It's not right for someone to lie to their partner and claim to be the opposite sex when getting married.

A 'degree of forced speech is necessary, such as if a person when asked, claims there is no fire in a building when there is, and a bunch of people die.

Well it's good that you make good on your skills.

Well opinions held influence 'what one will do, I'd say,

Moral, ethical, views, effecting choices.

True, though I don't mind defining myself partially from my opinions,

So long as I'm aware questioning them can make me feel threatened or offended,

Dangers of such can be mitigated, and opinions updated with new information.

Well, if I was looking at it from the other side,

I might suppose some 'parts of ancient societies, Romans, Greeks, had the idea of there being a dominant and a submissive part, in male homosexual relationships,

Homosexuality in ancient Rome - Wikipedia,

But so far as I know, submissive 'still wouldn't be women.

Used to be in America, we used to view women more often in the caretaker/home role,

But even if there was a guy in such a role, they still wouldn't be a woman, and people wouldn't view them as such, though maybe the guy feels his honor hit, if not taking his expected role.

I suppose eunuchs, lose a bit of their maleness,

Thought being so they can guard a harem without people worrying about the women's chastity, or so they don't have kids and harbor ambitions of taking power.

But they'd 'still be a guy to my thinking, just a guy missing his reproductive parts.

Hm,

Looking at it 'farther on the other side, it's true that there are individuals born or raised in either social or medical confusion as the opposite sex or both,

Androgen insensitivity syndrome: MedlinePlus Genetics for instance.

But I see such as an 'exception, and not the topic of debate usually, in which people argue it's normal for men/women who are physically 'obviously their sex, to have a 'sex 'change 'operation.

There's even various arguments for the operation, some arguing it's about choice, some arguing it's in their brain and they 'have to have it.

Though what 'really bothers people against normalizing trans operations, is people who encourage it on kids who are physically 'obviously their sex.

. . .

I think Jordan Peterson said he's willing to use someone's pronoun if asked, but is heavily against the refusal to do so being lawfully made a hate crime.

Sure nonsense has 'explanations,

But they're 'still absurd, abnormal, incorrect.

My second brother's nonsense can mostly be attributed to his drug abuse effecting his brain,

Lars and the Real Girl (Fictional movie) can be attributed to deep rooted psychological issues.

I don't pretend that I believe in random theists deities.

I don't see a need to believe that random trans are what they are not. (From my point of view)

People can believe 'themselves what they are,

But if a theist kept insisting to me that I need to call their deity real and the one true deity in conversation, I'd probably avoid talking with them so much.

. . .

Or flat earthers, need I say yes the world is flat, in conversation with them?

Because their feelings will be hurt if I don't play along?

. . .

Tolerating individuals and/or groups, isn't the same as adopting their beliefs.

The problem is that it's nonsense,

From my point of view.

A woman is not a man.

I 'could give a list of Nobel Prize Winners who were religious or had religious background,

But it wouldn't prove atheists or theists being more intelligent,

Though maybe you're just trying to say atheists are capable of intelligence, rather than saying atheists are 'more intelligent,

Anyway,

Should my takeaway be that Americans are more intelligent than other country?

No, no it should not.

Statistics 'can be telling,

But they can also be assumption,

They're more often to my mind, just information, more often 'part of enough information to reach a conclusion.

So often there's always context, other statistics, variables that 'cause ends.

If we raise it so high that they 'leave,

The common good is effected.

I agree with Double_R, that people work within a system,

Though sometimes that system does everything it can to 'prevent one from succeeding, or is only there to 'claim it did anything important, or other times certain system 'shouldn't exist.

. . . The State generally offers safety, army, police force,

Though I suppose one could argue individuals could handle that on their own, that's a bit more the creation of their 'own State, maybe.

The State regulates health, trade,

Though people could regulate such 'themselves. . .

Grumble,

Hm, it's not so much working 'in the system, as one works 'under the system, maybe,

And as such the State/System expects/demands tribute.

But anyway,

. . .

Suppose that there is a bushel of apples across a river filled with crocodiles,

And one individual risks his life swimming across,

Does he not 'deserve said food?

Even if other people are hungry?

If he were to swim back, the others would likely 'take at least an equal portion per person,

And that's understandable,

Hm, but what does 'deserve mean anyway?

Certainly by virtue of being human, one could argue people have an obligation towards others, though not everyone agrees.

And certainly people don't risk so much as the river of crocodiles often when making their money,

Or even if they 'did risk life and limb,

Money is easier/safer made, once one has made money, I imagine.

Just rambling.

Personally I'd rather some MMORPGs just 'finish their creation, stop nerfing and buffing, adding and removing items, no more expansions new quests or deleting the old.

Listening to the song, Where Evil Grows, The Poppy Family,

Finding what and where something is, not by it, but everything around.

Still haven't voted for Trump once so far, myself,

And I don't consider his actions something in his favor,

I just don't see it as treason, or something to burst into hysterics over, or pretend as though politicians don't frequently act underhanded in politics.

Again, I see it as a 'negative for Trumps character, but if the people and legislature choose to elect him next time, so be it.

But would anyone have me believe that 'only these few are examples of politics in America, only what I see and hear?

It's the accepted standard of politics, though exceptions exist,

Politicians wheel and deal, make backroom agreements,

Look for technicalities and loopholes,

Appeal to the public, stoking their passions and beliefs.

I 'don't see it as a boon or something I like,

But the Left acts as though Trump is some exceptional dread, as though he's the next Hitler,

'Might be he would, if he easily had the power and context,

But he doesn't and he won't.

Plenty of Democrats would take our guns, force their views into our schools and indoctrinate with their views, imprison people for not respecting transgender athletes or thinking -

Bah, point being, it's not always a matter of what a person is themselves, but what they 'are in conjuncture with the system,

Even I'd likely be a terrible person, if given too much power.

Well, I'm not a Trump supporter,

But I don't think Democracy was on the edge of a knife, myself.

I think I don't care for Trump,

But the Left worries me more.

Would you say that mechanical hamster feel pain?

Meaning of word experience is different in the two contexts.

A cup of water overflowing is material and expressive,

So is the half cup of water.

But each is different than the other.

A turning clock is different than a human.

I'm not saying consciousness is immaterial or inexpressive, quite, I think,

Though maybe I am a 'bit,

A shape or even a concept, still need 'materialization, to be in working order.

. . .

Not making an argument with below, just thoughts,

My mind goes to Osmosis Jones movie, and book called Andromeda Strain.

In book I think one of scientists early theories was that the strain was intelligent,

Ah, another book, series, My Teacher is an Alien, there was some blanket like intelligent fungus alien,

Descartes arguing animals not having souls or consciousness, was it?

. . .

Hm, rambling my thoughts,

Material requires a certain degree to freeze or melt, to thaw or chill.

Can you rephrase the question?

I'm unsure what you're asking.

Working on my fantasy genre game/story,

And just a musing on races came back, reason for post.

But I don't see why  "superior or inferior" would or should matter to individuals who actively discriminate against others based on race,

To my mind, the reason people grab hold of racism, is the ingroup outgroup idea,

I imagine racists still defend weak members of their own 'race, and don't invite members of outgroup 'race to their house to meet their sister, improve their group through eugenics.

Though I suppose in stereotypes, and policies, people intentionally hire or avoid hiring certain groups,

Which would often be because of their 'notion, that one group or another is better or worse at a job.

. . .

I'm not arguing this on humans,

But in fantasy, science fiction, or animals such as dogs,

There 'are significant groups, differences, that requires a difference in what is expected of them, how one acts towards them.

They can convey information, but I'm doubtful (Not certain) that they merit the word conscious.

A glass half full contains water,

A glass and three halfs, is overflowing.

Sure a glass 3/4 also has water, but it's the 'state, the 'shape, the 'being that matters,

Maybe, I'm talking over my head here, stabs in not 'quite fully dark room.

Just being energy, or conveying information isn't enough for it to 'be consciousness.

But I still don't see the logic 'working,

And refer you to the wheel and the human, both made of material, energy, yet there is clearly a difference.

Some people  take caffeine, claiming it makes them more aware, more conscious.

Some people don't take their anti-psychotics, claiming they are 'less aware, less conscious, when under the effect of said drugs.

So why should I 'not be more conscious than someone else?

Ah wait, just realized you meant that as an argument 'for your side,

Remove the head, what consciousness remains in the body?

Reflexes, spasms, material,

Not anything 'enough to be called 'consciousness.

. . .

Shot in the dark here, but suppose there was something that didn't use neurons and electricity to work,

It used gears, interlocking shapes, abacus, runs on marbles.

Sure one might say it requires energy to move, but it that all consciousness 'is, is energy?

I don't hold that view myself,

Though I'm not 'particularly happy with consciousness being 'shape either,

But shape makes more sense to me, than consciousness is existence.

And I don't mean awareness of one's existence,

I mean a rock 'exists,

It's 'just a rock of course,

Not 'conscious, not human.

No, I just think that rather than gun 'control,

You might better results on 'specific gun control options.

Even people who like guns and gun ownership, often aren't against 'all gun control.

@#37

Cause and factor, aren't quite the same.

Personally I'd say guns 'can increase suicide in society, if you give someone an option they might take it, though some people do or don't regardless of the option,

It's why people are encouraged to 'take said options from themselves when suicidal, or why they are given healthy options such as a plan to call this or those friends if suicidal,

It's why there are suicide watches in hospitals even when a person has their weapons taken away, some people just determined, for the moment or long term,

Can increase war in society, hence why tyrannical governments seek to remove weapons and likelyhood of resistance.

As for crime, I'm unsure.

I'm against banning all guns from citizens of America, though.

Well, I think it's the 'illogical (From some views) options that bother people,

Though even some logical options bother people, if they violate their values.

As for care,

I suppose there's something to be said for leaving people be as individuals,

'But humans have to interact, schools and instruction exist,

Thus one has a care about social actions, politeness, boundaries, perceived harm.

Hey,

Not much, but DDO appears to be done for, I wonder a 'bit if it'll ever start up again, but such seems doubtful.

I managed to save my debates, so maybe I'll try debating them all again on this site, review my beliefs again.

Who were you on DDO?

Well, arguably I hold the same view as other atheists,

A lack of belief in deities, and further in any afterlife or souls,

Though I differ from certain vocal anti-theists, as I think belief in deities, afterlives, souls, is a reasonable enough position for a human to arrive at, though I don't hold it myself.

Perhaps I would feel different if I lived in an atheist culture.

But this relates to transgenderism I suppose,

In that like belief in deities, I believe transgenderism to be mistaken,

Perhaps the differences is that I don't think transgenderism to be a reasonable position to hold,

But maybe that is just a preconceived stance I have, due to my experiences,

Perhaps religion and transgenderism are both as reasonable or unreasonable, though I don't 'see it as such.

And even if transgenderism 'were unreasonable,

Would such excuse trite remarks or links to satire YouTube videos?

Hm, just an idle thought of mine, considering slightly my actions, thoughts.

Well, on religion I'd agree.

More specifically though, I meant my view on transgenders and their pronouns.

I sometimes worry that some of my stances/comments are as callous as the statements made by 'some anti-theists.

Firedash Cyanide & Happiness Shorts - YouTube

I really don't have much to say 'myself, right 'this second.

Well I took a screenshot, so it's saved.

Are you unable to use copy and paste for a word document or screenshot and paint?

Not sarcasm, I just imagine it'd be possible for you to save it yourself.

@Intelligence_06 #284

Fair point,

Yet some songs seem so popular, it 'seems to me like it'd be worth it, to translate entire bands songs into different languages, even if bits of meaning are lost.

Though I say worth it in terms of money, there 'are also a number of songs I enjoy that are from another language, or are English to a different language.

Disney seems to translate all their songs, but they'd also have the 'payroll and experience to do so, I'd suppose.

@Polytheist-Witch #286

It is fun that there's a great many giants in myth and stories to draw inspiration from.

@Deb-8-a-bull #288

Is it easier to aim a ballista, than a bow?

Or artillery, than a rifle?

I don't ask that to claim it's not, I just don't know.

@Self

Darn, forgot my random thought, as I thought about songs and giants.

Uni Verse,

That which is,

Existence,

Everything that is.

I 'suppose concepts are part of the universe,

Though I more often think of the universe as matter and physics.

I don't think other universes exist,

If they 'did, then there'd be 'part of everything, thus part of the universe, to my thinking.

. . .

Though people can speak of fictions having their own universe, it's more an 'imagining a separate existence, than there 'being a separate existence.

It had some nice, though flawed features.

As I recall I ended up finding it from looking up opinions on Google,

Just a quick way to see general thoughts people had.

Eventually I joined, as I was looking to question some opinions of my own, for a bit.

A debate website, fallen into disrepair and neglect, soon to shut down is the word.

Some users on this site, came to DebateArt from Debate.org.

Nice, how big did the file/s end up being?

Well, just checked, some pages 'are on the Wayback Machine, not all, but some.

I suppose, and though I've had plenty of time if I was going to, I kind of wanted to read old material on DDO more.

Does Dr Jekyll 'act as Mr Hyde,

Or is Mr Hyde 'truly another person?

When we get over a fit of rage, has another individual briefly passed into slumber, while 'we awaken?

When we look back on ourselves X many years ago, are we number X, of generations of this body we all claimed,

Or have we ourselves been reborn, with each death of cells and replacement there of?

When desires fight like wolves within us,

Are they all 'one,

Or instead many different individuals?

Why aren't there more cover songs in foreign languages?

Even in this last year, some debates would be removed by "Customer Support", though I'm unsure whether it was a 'person, or some automated process.

Other than that, last time there were 'visible moderators, was around the avalanche of ads, and move to DebateArt.

Sizes vary, per the thought I was imagining 'huge giants we'd fit in the palm for,

But for my video game, I'd probably only go 12-18 feet tall.

Well, there's hard and soft fantasy,

And then there's fantasy where it's soft, but has hard rules,

Maybe giants would find some methods of fire-starting easier, like if they rubbed a couple trees together,

Or their difficulty having trouble with fine details would be a reason for them to have servants, or be very careful to keep fires and coals going, rather than starting new ones.

Harvesting lava sounds awesome though.

It is unfortunate, like losing a chapter of a journal, of one's life.

Didn't it experience the egg?

I get your point though.

People have inclinations though, could such be called instinct, inklings in directions, which to 'me sounds a bit intuition.