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Does Dr Jekyll 'act as Mr Hyde,
Or is Mr Hyde 'truly another person?
When we get over a fit of rage, has another individual briefly passed into slumber, while 'we awaken?
When we look back on ourselves X many years ago, are we number X, of generations of this body we all claimed,
Or have we ourselves been reborn, with each death of cells and replacement there of?
When desires fight like wolves within us,
Are they all 'one,
Or instead many different individuals?
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Why aren't there more cover songs in foreign languages?
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@SirAnonymous
Even in this last year, some debates would be removed by "Customer Support", though I'm unsure whether it was a 'person, or some automated process.
Other than that, last time there were 'visible moderators, was around the avalanche of ads, and move to DebateArt.
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@zedvictor4
Sizes vary, per the thought I was imagining 'huge giants we'd fit in the palm for,
But for my video game, I'd probably only go 12-18 feet tall.
Well, there's hard and soft fantasy,
And then there's fantasy where it's soft, but has hard rules,
Maybe giants would find some methods of fire-starting easier, like if they rubbed a couple trees together,
Or their difficulty having trouble with fine details would be a reason for them to have servants, or be very careful to keep fires and coals going, rather than starting new ones.
Harvesting lava sounds awesome though.
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@TheMorningsStar
It is unfortunate, like losing a chapter of a journal, of one's life.
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@amandragon01
Didn't it experience the egg?
I get your point though.
People have inclinations though, could such be called instinct, inklings in directions, which to 'me sounds a bit intuition.
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@oromagi
Might have been the long numbers such as,
"418,000,000,000,000,000,000,000"
or the sources,
[4https://en.wikipedia.org...(philosophy)"
I'd figure that the human brain 'could hold 'more than an entire Bible though?
Memorization, I mean, like Denzel Washington in The Book of Eli.
Though, I don't really know myself 'why that fact would mean God didn't exist, just because our brains our fancy.
I do agree with your point of the Bible being man made though, even if one 'was religious.
But then, maybe I'm missing some scripture that says the people who wrote the Bible were perfectly guided by God, and it's all literal, and perfect,
Though some religious 'do think that, I suppose.
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@zedvictor4
Heh,
Still, would a giant even be able to start a fire?
Sparks are tiny,
Tinder is tiny,
One has to pay close attention and detail, to start a fire, blow on it, but not too hard.
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@thett3
Their forum voices died doing what they love, hating each other.
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@Dr.Franklin
I'm glad that at least I can download my content.
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@amandragon01
"Writing in Scientific American, in an article cunningly titled “How an instinct is learned,” Hailman5 challenged Lorenz's fundamental notion of instinct: “The term `instinct,' as it is often applied to animal and human behavior, refers to a fairly complex, stereotyped pattern of activity that is common to the species and is inherited and unlearned. Yet, braking an automobile and swinging a baseball bat are complex, stereotyped behavioral patterns that can be observed in many members of the human species, and these patterns certainly cannot be acquired without experience. Perhaps stereotyped behavior patterns of animals also require subtle forms of experience for development” (p. 241). Hailman meticulously demonstrated the influence of such subtle forms of experience through his investigations of pecking in newly hatched sea gulls."
Eh, I 'still flip flop on the chair leg,
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@SirAnonymous
Seems that he gets the honor of the last debate challenge issued on the site,
What a pity I find it for myself, that I cannot accept it.
Still, it's better than the runner up, last debate challenge issued, an ad.
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Would giants be able to use tools, or craft items?
Maybe having such large fingers and eyes, they'd have trouble with finer details?
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@amandragon01
'Objectively, I'm unsure if a feeling is a justified reason, by 'itself, to act.
I agree the examples are questionable,
Still, what 'is intuition?
And are all people's intuitions equal?
Take PTSD, combat vets and their instincts,
'Might be useful in times of war,
Being careful where one sits, hypervigilant, taking cover action in response to loud bangs,
Though in times of peace with family and trying to live and enjoy life, a detriment, I'd say.
Hm wait, I might be misunderstanding the differences between instinct, intuition, and reflexes,
. . .
Instinct is born not learned,
Intuition is unconscious thought processing,
Relex is bodily reaction like breathing.
Are the gists I get from Google.
Hm,
. . .
I'm sure instinct can be killed,
So if it can be killed, why can't it be sharpened, or even learned?
Grumble,
. . .
Well, let me say intuition, rather than instinct then,
Even if I don't know 'why something is some way,
I think it can be valuable or worthwhile to 'listen to one's intuition, feelings of a situation.
Heh, 'now just read,
"Now you're conflating faith, instinct and senses?" - #265
Yes, I suppose I am.
. . .
"a natural or inherent aptitude, impulse, or capacity"
"behavior that is mediated by reactions below the conscious level"
Some examples used,
"Our first instinct was to run."
"He has been guided throughout his career by his political instincts."
"Mere instinct alerted her to the danger."
"He knew by instinct what not to say."
"He has a strong survival instinct."
"Your first instinct might be to use a Clorox wipe, which promises to kill 99.99 percent of household germs and bacteria."
"My first instinct has always been to wear a ponytail or a neat bun."
"Despite feeling supported by those in my residency program, my first instinct was not to fly to India to be with her as soon as possible."
"Jeong stuck with his first instinct: singer Billy Ray Cyrus."
"My instinct is there is only one, Manchin, who is actively in favor of raising taxes for the purpose of deficit reduction."
"My instinct was to unleash the entire arsenal of spices when tackling this classic dish."
And so on,
Though the 'definition is inborn, the examples often enough use the word the similar way one would use intuition or feeling.
I could say a politician acted intuitively, or had fine political sense,
And it'd be similar to
"He has been guided throughout his career by his political instincts."
I could say she sensed danger, or intuitively felt she was in danger,
And it matches to my mind, pretty well with,
"Mere instinct alerted her to the danger."
I'd agree the words have more precise definitions though,
And that I've probably been using them a fair bit wrong.
Christmas Carol was meant as a joke, and bit just where my mind was at, also enjoyable book.
. . .
Returning to the discussion though,
I'm just not much bothered by myself or others listening to their intuition.
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@amandragon01
Well, I flip flop on it being a valid chair leg or not,
Suppose I had a bad feeling, but was unable to explain why,
Would it be logical to 'act on that feeling, despite not possessing any evidence?
My action or belief that I need take an action, would be justified by a feeling without evidence,
Though I say justified 'personally, not objectively or good logic necessarily.
People 'are saved at times, by listening to their gut,
By acting on their 'faith that something was right or wrong,
Though, 'might be such cases are outliers, I couldn't say.
Certainly people often run into trouble in life, when 'only thinking with their instinct,
Still,
. . .
Well, I suppose I link instinct to faith,
By one of it's definitions,
"strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof." - Definitions from Oxford Languages
And I link instinct to guts, feelings, like Spider Senses,
Since if it's without proof,
Why does it matter any?
I suppose my answer is it feels a bit like a sense, to me,
Though as I said earlier, senses aren't always what they seem, 'if faith could be 'called a sense, or faith chosen 'due to a sense.
Though as I said earlier, senses aren't always what they seem, 'if faith could be 'called a sense, or faith chosen 'due to a sense.
Again though, as someone else says,
“You don’t believe in me,” observed the Ghost.
“I don’t,” said Scrooge.
“What evidence would you have of my reality, beyond that of your senses?”
“I don’t know,” said Scrooge.
“Why do you doubt your senses?”
“Because,” said Scrooge, “a little thing affects them. A slight disorder of the stomach makes them cheats. You may be an undigested bit of beef, a blot of mustard, a crumb of cheese, a fragment of an underdone potato. There’s more of gravy than of grave about you, whatever you are!”
- Charles Dickens, A Christmas Carol
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@amandragon01
I'd agree that faith doesn't quite work as a basis,
And even when people do make a decision, because they have faith in X,
I'd suppose there's 'reasons they have faith in X, rather than faith being the reason they have faith in X.
Bit difficult to do 'anything 'just by instinct I'd think, no rationale or thought,
But intuition works as a hint often, I'd think,
If it's a sense, something 'experienced, why not put 'some value on it, though 'maybe not all.
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@amandragon01
Well, I've been arguing 'mostly for the sake of arguing, I suppose,
I'd say I agree that,
Faith justifying itself doesn't 'quite work,
And with how synonymous some words are,
Bit like saying my belief justifies my belief,
My faith justifies my faith,
My trust justifies my trust,
Though I don't think that faith is or has to be without facts of information myself,
Depends how one uses it I suppose.
Though it's true people sometimes accept information on faith,
Meaning they've not thought it through themselves, but have faith in the provider of said information, that they'll not lead them astray.
And then,
There's other people who's faith is 'renewed, by an experience or proof.
I'd agree though,
That my trust/faith in my brother,
Would have been formed through experiences, insights, intuition, 'somethings,
Rather than being founded on itself.
And I'd agree having thought on it some,
That,
"Some common synonyms of faith are belief, credence, and credit. While all these words mean "assent to the truth of something offered for acceptance," faith almost always implies certitude even where there is no evidence or proof."
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@amandragon01
What 'qualifies as evidence?
Would personal experiences qualify?
For surely faith does not arise without reason or cause?
Thomas Aquinas writes: "A man would not believe unless he saw the things he had to believe, either by the evidence of miracles or of something similar"
"C.S. Lewis described his experience of faith in his book Mere Christianity by distinguishing between two usages of the word. He describes the first as follows: "Faith seems to be used by Christians in two senses or on two levels ... In the first sense it means simply Belief."[25] Several paragraphs later he continues with "Faith, in the sense in which I am here using the word, is the art of holding on to things your reason has once accepted, in spite of your changing moods."
If an uneducated fellow is shown calculous, will he understand?
Or is evidence something 'personal at times, as well as shown other times?
For a person can 'learn calculous,
Yet 'if God were to exist, can a person 'not learn of God?
Insist you might, that 2+2=4, can be shown, while God cannot,
Well, I am not a prophet, God, or a Miracle,
How shall a Caveman be taught calculous, when 'evidence of calculous yet exists for him?
Of the religious,
Can one not argue they have felt and seen justification for their faith, thousands of times?
Though perhaps this varies, and others find certainty, a difficulty, well,
. . .
Well, I suppose intuition is only relevant to faith, in 'my examples,
And more of a brainstorm, than well thought out,
Certainly the word and connotations of faith vary,
Whether Religious discussion, or in it's common speak.
To myself though, intuition has more than 'small value.
You don't view as true common statements you make of everyday life?
Well, I 'suppose some people might be skeptical and precise of life,
I'd say I have faith that my coworker won't suddenly knife me,
Sure I suppose he could go psycho one day, but I'm pretty sure of my belief.
And by 'acting on it, I show my 'faith in said scenario,
Had I no faith in my coworker, I wouldn't go to work.
"6And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who approaches Him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him"
I'd argue faith is shown in our actions.
I'd also argue as I did early on in this thread,
When I do a Google search for synonyms of faith, one of the matches is trust.
And when I do a Google search of synonyms of trust, one of the matches is faith.
Though as SkepticalOne says,
Faith can have a more specific meaning, related to religion.
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Something I like about early machinima, as I see them,
Is their use of the game engines,
Like Red Vs Blue, when I liked it, seasons 1-5.
'Mostly was the game engine,
Original animation, anime, cartoons, so on, sound expensive to produce,
For a person without great funds, sounds better to use something else,
Take WoW for example,
One can just use emotes and X number of people to act and film something.
Though I suppose the writing and voice acting needs to step up,
If one discards using original drawings,
Also the problem of copyright, I suppose.
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@Intelligence_06
Well, a tuna sandwich is bread tuna bread,
A tuna sandwich left in the sun for 3 days, may 'still be a tuna sandwich in a sense,
But to me it is now trash,
And I'd object to someone trying to serve it to me.
Some people would have considered my example to be bread tuna and bread,
'Not a tuna sandwich,
Insisting that a sandwich needs mayo, cheese, vegetables, as well.
What we say is food,
Is a general concept.
Maybe some would not consider junk food, 'food,
If it does not give nutrients.
Maybe some would consider junk food, 'food,
As it is tasty and put in their mouths and stomach.
Maybe a toddler would consider mud food,
As it is put in their mouth and stomach,
It's a general concept.
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@amandragon01
'Is 2+2=4 though?
It really is I'd say, since one is referring to a specific use of numbers, but other uses of numbers exist as well,
A person 'thinks 2+2 has been thoroughly tested beyond doubt, yet when they apply it elsewhere,
"The ordinal scale has all the qualities of the nominal scale plus the ability to rank objects according to some attribute. If you ranked all the members of a group according to height, "1" would be the tallest, "2" the second tallest and so on. However, the intervals between these rankings are not necessarily equal. If the tallest people were 5'11", 5'8" and 5'7", respectively, the interval between the first two ranks would be 3 inches, while the interval between the last two is only 1 inch. Ranking in various sports and beauty contests are also only ordinal scales."
"Most psychological tests are only ordinal measures! Let's say that three different people score 60, 40 and 20 on a test of extraversion (having outgoing personality traits). Because it is an ordinal scale we can correctly say that 60 is the most extraverted (rank #1), 40 is the second most, and 20 is the third most or least extraverted.
Notice that the difference between 60 and 40 is 20, and the difference between 40 and 20 is also 20. However, a 20-point difference in one part of the scale may not have the same meaning as a 20-point difference in another part of the scale. Thus the same difference of 20 points may not reflect the same underlying difference in extraversion, because we don't know if the intervals are equal. It is not an interval scale.
Likewise, even though 20 x 2 = 40 and 20 x 3 = 60, we cannot correctly say that the person with a score of 60 has three times the extraversion as the person with 20 or that the person with a score of 40 has twice as much. We cannot compare scores in terms of multiples, because the scale has no true or absolute zero. It is not a ratio scale.
Again, most psychological tests � and almost all tests used in our schools (including mine) � are only ordinal measures. These tests allow ranking of people according to various attributes � personality traits or knowledge in specific subject areas. However, if someone gets a score twice as great as yours, it does not mean that person knows twice as much as you do."
Notice that the difference between 60 and 40 is 20, and the difference between 40 and 20 is also 20. However, a 20-point difference in one part of the scale may not have the same meaning as a 20-point difference in another part of the scale. Thus the same difference of 20 points may not reflect the same underlying difference in extraversion, because we don't know if the intervals are equal. It is not an interval scale.
Likewise, even though 20 x 2 = 40 and 20 x 3 = 60, we cannot correctly say that the person with a score of 60 has three times the extraversion as the person with 20 or that the person with a score of 40 has twice as much. We cannot compare scores in terms of multiples, because the scale has no true or absolute zero. It is not a ratio scale.
Again, most psychological tests � and almost all tests used in our schools (including mine) � are only ordinal measures. These tests allow ranking of people according to various attributes � personality traits or knowledge in specific subject areas. However, if someone gets a score twice as great as yours, it does not mean that person knows twice as much as you do."
They're not wrong, 2+2=4,
But again,
"An interval scale combines the qualities of the previous scales with equal intervals. The best example would be a centigrade (Celcius) thermometer. The change in heat between 0oC and 10oC is the same as between 10oC and 20oC. But watch out! 20oC is not twice as hot as 10oC! Why? Interval scales have arbitrary zeros (just because we decided to call it zero), rather than absolute (true) zeros. At 0oC water freezes, but that does not mean that there is no heat.
In contrast, the ratio scale has all the qualities of the previous scales plus an absolute (true) zero, as with a Kelvin thermometer. At 0oK, theoretically there is no heat. You have nothing of what you are measuring, therefore the zero is true or absolute. However, 0oK = -273oC. Since one degree indicates the same heat change in both scales, we can see what happens when we compare them."
Is it wrong to say people have 'faith that 2+2=4?
And though this faith is not wrong, it can lead them to false conclusions in situations?
. . .
I'm not trying to knock faith with these examples,
I still think highly of it, and think it 'right in many situations,
I just don't understand people who insist on a complete absence of faith in their brains and lives,
Though it 'might be that I'm misunderstanding them,
Though maybe they'd argue they don't have faith 2+2=4, in the specific way they 'meant it,
But they'd 'still have faith in 2+2=4 as a general 'concept, I 'd think.
Of determining through past experiences,
Some people are not always what they seem,
Friends turn out to be secret serial killers,
One day a family member commits a crime, and their family insists they 'never would have done such.
. . .
Though maybe all this argues 'against my faith as a chair leg?
If I describe it 'only as 'thinking of something, and discount faith through mental illness and human error?
Hm, no I don't think so,
Though I'm not making examples with intuition being true,
I assume you already agree with me that intuition 'is often true, or hinting at 'something true,
Though I'll argue for the truth of intuition of you like,
In the 'moment however, I'm arguing 'against people who claim no need or use of belief.
I think.
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@amandragon01
Well, myself I'd say faith can be stable or unstable,
As I view it myself as a thought that something is,
I don't really see a reason 'not to have faith that 2+2=4,
Or that X friend is a good person,
That we've landed on the moon in the past.
Though, I have a greater certainty that 2+2=4, than that we landed on the moon, or that my friend is a good person, believe those things, though I still do.
Still, not everyone agrees with my definition of faith,
Maybe my faith doesn't match the Bible's version either,
Since it uses the word hope,
Maybe it means faith in a 'different way, than I do.
Something I'm unsure of.
But in casual conversation, people who avoid the word belief,
Seem to me most trying to separate themselves from any relation of religion,
'Regardless of the words meaning,
Seeing on how many ideas and conversations, the word belief, is easily used.
I could say I believe that my friend is actually an evil person,
Certainly that would not be something I 'hope for,
But again for me, belief is simply what I 'think is true, I think.
Also this,
Looks like faith has a lot of different definitions and uses.
. . .
Ah, I'd forgotten my earlier comments on this thread,
Well, to put faith more in it's place as a justification,
I'd argue people have intuitions,
They're not 'always true, I'd 'think they often are, but I don't know,
I also view faith a bit in that regard,
People have fight or flight instincts,
Even if they can't put their finger on what's wrong, there's 'something to take note of,
'Can be something fake, such as a Halloween costume, or could be something real like an untrustworthy stranger,
Warning signs, red flags aren't always visible, but if one has faith despite the visible evidence, well, we listen to faith.
I admit intuition doesn't 'always work,
People end up in mental hospitals, because their body and brain are messed up, schizophrenic, sending certainties 'despite all visible evidence, certainties that are wrong, but an individual cannot help but believe and act on them.
A person might have a glass floor on a skyscraper, and be unsettled by vertigo, despite the safety.
Though I don't think either of these examples discounts intuition and faith, myself,
Even facts and evidence can be wrong, planted, fooled,
Though I don't discount evidence and facts for those reasons either.
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@Username
I suppose it 'would be easier to travel cities,
If everything was placed by a city planner,
Though individuals like owning their own land,
Though land 'is a bit placed by city planners,
No homes in the fast food section, so on.
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@Username
Are you talking about building and city, designs?
Or 'Social Structure and expectations, people's roles?
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@3RU7AL
Sounds very easy to be, or be called a racist, then.
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@GnosticChristianBishop
@FLRW
Ah, I see,
Wanted, was wanting, an Un.
I was not aware that you believed in God?
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@GnosticChristianBishop
I think some people would be better off trying couple's therapy first,
I think that marriage is not something that should be entered into lightly.
Personal sacrifice towards others, is not the same as sacrificing another for one's own gain.
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@GnosticChristianBishop
I don't understand this sentence, can you rephrase it?
"Slavery of the body, via a denial of a wanted abortion, is slavery. That is the right advocating slavery." - GnosticChristianBishop #42
That illegal sex trafficking exists, is not the same as saying a state or a religion are responsible for said illegal act.
You must surely see the difference between legal open state slavery, and illegal individuals and groups?
Surely you can see how ridiculous it is to say modern Christians are all a bunch of sex traffickers?
It's interesting, the variety of ideologies that exist in the world.
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@GnosticChristianBishop
It's been a while since I read and thought about Jesus upon the cross,
I'd have to read it again, and consider it,
Before I had a decent answer.
I don't think it's a matter of scapegoating though,
There are many forms of religion, many forms of the Abrahamic religion,
You specifically mentioned Christianity in post #35,
So I chose to address marriage in Christianity, as I see it,
Though I admit there are many forms of Christianity, and other religions,
I'm not going to address them all.
It is also not beyond my mind, to envision an Atheist State or Religion,
That would ban divorce in marriage,
You grind your teeth upon Theism,
But I do not see Theism as automatically equaling no divorce.
It's groups of humans, rather.
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@3RU7AL
I don't think the baby would be arrested,
And that most people would find the idea absurd,
A homeless adult is not equivalent to a homeless baby.
Though there 'is argument that a homeless individual 'also deserves help,
They can be difficult to manage,
Offer them a job, they don't want a job, happens sometimes.
Try to talk to them, or get them mental help, beyond societies ability, at times.
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@GnosticChristianBishop
@#36
Somehow, I don't see many modern Christians in America, advocating for the return of slavery?
I think Jesus would speak well of individuals, Christian, Muslim, or Atheist,
If their actions and deeds are good.
What is a Gnostic Christian?
It has the word Christian, so I am confused at your hatred of Christians, having Christian in your name?
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@GnosticChristianBishop
@#35
I do not think insulting God, will encourage Theists to give you an ear,
So what o your claim of wanting to convert?
You say Armageddon, some others see Salvation.
Reminds me greatly of Ox Mountain - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia,
And the importance of considering environment, in relation to humans.
. . .
The world and society is not what it was,
And only 'became what it 'is,
'Through older societies.
There are people who value marriage, see it a sacred union, promise between two individuals, living their lives for each other and becoming one.
Not some dalliance or meaningless affair,
But regaurdless,
Was divorce 'never allowed in the bible?
Teachings about Divorce
1When Jesus had finished saying these things, He left Galilee and went into the region of Judea beyond the Jordan. 2Large crowds followed Him, and He healed them there.
3Then some Pharisees came and tested Him by asking, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any reason?”
4Jesus answered, “Have you not read that from the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’a 5and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’b? 6So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate.”
7“Why then,” they asked, “did Moses order a man to give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?c”
8Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because of your hardness of heart; but it was not this way from the beginning. 9Now I tell you that whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman, commits adultery.d”
10His disciples said to Him, “If this is the case between a man and his wife, it is better not to marry.”
"Substitutional punishment policies" - GnosticChristianBishop
Do you mean Jesus's sacrifice upon the cross?
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@GnosticChristianBishop
Abuse isn't good, I'm sure you know, nor being a bully.
Fear of what you love being harmed, probably 'does often give rise to hate, often.
I admire many of the morals espoused by Christianity,
Of Islam I don't know much,
But I'm doubtful that it is without morality.
I don't really see the value in converting people to Atheism,
For myself, Atheism goes hand in hand with Nihilism,
A realization that Plato's Cave does not exit into the light, but another Cave,
It's my habits, of nature and nurture that keep me moral,
Moral as people 'currently, subjectively call it, anyhow.
If Atheists enjoy Atheist Churches,
Well enough upon them, I suppose.
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@GnosticChristianBishop
There is a difference between insults and identity,
As well as a difference between connotation and literal meaning.
The where is on this thread,
The why is known to you, hence why I asked?
I don't have any kids,
But if I 'did have kids, I don't think I'd use beating them as my first line of discipline and education.
You on the other hand,
Seem ready to jump to verbal and emotional abuse,
Have any kids?
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@3RU7AL
Would a homeless baby a criminal if they setup a tent on public land,
And I don't mean in someone's body,
I mean if a homeless baby was on someone's lawn,
Would that baby be arrested for trespassing?
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@3RU7AL
Pro Life view,
A baby, moments from being born, is a member of society,
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@3RU7AL
I don't think that Pro Lifers want a future without privacy,
But as already said, rights aren't absolutes, they lean on other rights,
Take Typhoid Mary,
If someone is 'highly suspected of spreading disease, knowingly or not,
It's not wrong to take information about their body,
Which you might view as private, arguing a person has a right to their own blood.
But that privacy is denied in 'that instance, does not mean 'every instance of privacy is denied.
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@3RU7AL
If Pro Choicers are unable to say that killing a baby moments before birth is not right,
They're going to have trouble winning over Pro Lifers who aren't,
The pro-life" + "abortion = murder" team,
As you claim are the only ones trying to overturn Roe v. Wade,
If you explained Roe v. Wade as matching a Pro Life stance,
You'd have more Pro Lifers being positive towards it, if it does indeed match a Pro Life stance,
But if Pro Choice just says killing babies moments before birth for convenience is fine,
I see Pro Lifers being 'for overturning Roe v. Wade,
As people just keeping saying privacy and bodily sovereignty, with no mention of the sacred.
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@3RU7AL
Again, I lean towards Antinatalism a bit myself,
People being able to have kids at the cost of killing embryos, isn't valuable to me.
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@3RU7AL
Well, if one killed a baby moments before birth, I'd see that as murder.
There 'are Pro Lifer's, who are willing to meet a middle ground though,
Yet most of the argument on the site that I've noticed, has been Pro Choicer's saying killing a baby moments before birth is fine.
I still don't see the need for in-vitro fertilization?
I lean towards Antinatalism a bit myself, though I don't think I'd classify my stance or politics as that.
I'm for Pro Life, because I view a life in motion, as a life in motion,
Living human's gotta live, is my gist.
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@3RU7AL
Who else is interested in overturning Roe V Wade?
Maybe we don't need in-vitro fertilization?
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@3RU7AL
Why do/would embryo exist in such quantity?
an unborn or unhatched offspring in the process of development, in particular a human offspring during the period from approximately the second to the eighth week after fertilization (after which it is usually termed a fetus).
Definitions from Oxford Languages
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@3RU7AL
Maybe we shouldn't freeze embryos.
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@FLRW
Eh, I don't think so, but if they 'were,
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@3RU7AL
Rights and values are not absolute,
Because they lean on other rights and values,
I don't know,
I might choose the infants as they 'seem more real,
Or I might burn alive, frozen by indecision.
2 adults, or 300,000 children.
The children.
2 children, or 300,000 babies.
The babies.
2 babies or 300,000 fetuses.
The fetuses.
2 fetuses, or 300,000 embryos.
. . .
If it is certain that the embryos 'will grow up into adults,
The embryos.
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@GnosticChristianBishop
Why do you find it necessary to insult people?
Facts are what we 'think is true,
Sure reality 'is, despite what we know of it,
But, we're human,
3 Blind men and the Elephant,
History and the many examples of new truths, old truths being realized as false,
We develop theories about life, and move on from there.
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@3RU7AL
Why not explain to Pro Lifer's why Roe v. Wade is not against their beliefs then?
Or 'is it against their beliefs in some ways?
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