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@Lemming
I'd love to see the sources of his claims that black slaves were a rarity under islam
I've provided mine and he claim that both are inadequate but he made many claims and provided no evidence whatsoever
while mamluke (slav/white) slaves did have an islamic dynasty there were no black slaves dynasty , I can't help but wonder why ? I mean even the turk got the ottoman empire
I searched and found nothing supporting his claims
also black slaves are called abd which translate into -slave-
while white slaves are called mamluk which translate into -owned-
just wanted to mention this trivia
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people like yassine who are extremely hateful and obsessed of the west and america are the reason for 9/11 and similar acts , he gets out of his way to change the subject from talking about islam to talking about the west ,- In case you haven't noticed, the one with the disturbing obsession is you. If you really cared about life, then you should be talking instead about the US committing 10000 of 9/11s. But you aren't, you're just a psycho full of hate. I'm sure if you it were up to you, you'd raise that number by an order of magnitude.
for the millionth time america is not a religion nor a religious group it's country feel free to discuss it on the political fourm
I mean the USA thrown a nuke at the japanese yet they aren't this hateful- Then why are so hateful against Muslims? They didn't even do that, or a fraction of the West does. What a psycho.
we are discussing religion in case you didn't notice and not politics
, he probably suffers from inferiority complex and extremely jealous that- Then you should shush even if Muslims do 10000 9/11s against you, like the US does to the rest of the World.
the us is a country and not a religion , islam took over 17 million black slaves from africa and distributed them into muslim countries
islam killed and accused arabic thinkers , inventors and discoverers of blasphrmy , heresy and many of them got executed
islam took slavs and turks as slaves
islam is known for bombings and harem where each man can marry four wives or 10 wives also the 72 virgins in heaven
islam is known for anti Semitism and the jews choose palastine as retaliation for mufti of palastine supported adolf hitler in his holocaust
grand mufti ahmad of palastine declared
"Al-Husseini began the conversation by declaring that the Germans and the Arabs had the same enemies: “the English, the Jews, and the Communists.”"
muhammad kicked the jews out of maddina , killed all the men in another jewish trib and took all the children and women as slaves
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@Lemming
17 million black slave are few ?
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still no mention of the female Ovum- I suspect it's the yellow substance... There was no word for ovum then... Which begs the question, how did the dear Prophet (pbuh) know that children are a product of both female & male substances, contrary to what the Arabs believed then or everybody else for that matter? (including the Greeks). In fact, in Europe, they would only adopt this view in the 18th century.
you mean piss/urine
while the child birth success is high it's survivability is low it would also endanger both the mother's health and the baby's and might damage the mothers reproduction organs.- Viability means survivability...also we can create children without the men and women using artificial womb we just need the ovum of a woman and some semen sadly that's considered un ethical- And...?a god makes a mistake at the numbers of months women need to give birth- Are you implying 7th century Arabs gave birth at 6 months?while the child birth success is high it's survivability is low it would also endanger both the mother's health and the baby's and might damage the mothers reproduction organs.- This is true before 6 months, not after.if it proves something it proves that allah is a f*cking idiot- Couldn't agree more.
allah is f*cking idiot for claiming that women can give birth in 6 months
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@Lemming
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quran 25:44
Or do you think that most of them listen or understand?1 They are only like cattle—no, more than that, they are astray from the ˹Right˺ Way!2
how did that crusader reach egypt , no crusader ever set foot on africa
and if islam is as perfect as you claim it to be why is everyone running away from it to the west ?
even the syrian refugees in turkey are getting kicked out , let me point here that they didn't get kicked out from any other European country.
why didn't saudi arabia took the syrian refugees if islam is as perfect as you claim it to be ? isn't sharia law the law of saudi arabia as saudi arabia claim ?
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@RationalMadman
slavery by muslims in Africa
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@Lemming
since yassine claims that muslims had only slav (white) and turk (turkish) slaves only
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what about the victims of those 1% , it takes much less that 1% to cause extensive damage to society , besides don't run away from my first question ?
which side should we support ?
the feminists in Muslim majority (middle east) countries are fighting for women rights of not having to wear hijab
or the feminists in western countries are fighting for the rights of wearing it
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@Polytheist-Witch
You seem to be talking about the hijab , it's one of my favorite subjects
it's quite funny how feminists in Muslim majority (middle east) countries are fighting for women rights of not having to wear hijab
while feminists in western countries are fighting for the rights of wearing it
makes one wonder which side should they support ?
maybe if evil extremists of muslims -not all of them the evil 1%- didn't use it to hide bombs
there wouldn't have been that much opposition to wearing it in public in the western countries
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the people living in mecca the quraysh tribe were very open to religious freedom and around mecca before islam came lay many Idols uniting all the arabs as each tribe worshiped multiple idols depending on time , the existence of both christians like waraqa bin naufal and jews like :
the freedom of religion in pre-islamic times in the Arabian Peninsula along with the diversity of the gods worshipped shows a great example of freedom of religion , as long as no one insult the gods of the other that's until muhammad came with his new religion and insulted his tribes god and tried to destroy their idols,
muhammad was caught before he could do anything , being of high born in his tribe he managed to leave with slab on the rest however his followers suffering have just began since the holy book of islam which they need to recite contains insults towards the idols of the tribe claimed that those idols couldn't defend themselves therefore they are not gods .
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now let us analyze this, imagine a person walk into a church 1500 years ago in the middle of the sermon breaks the cross and claim that jesus isn't god otherwise the cross would have defended itself , what would happen to that person ?
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let me give you another example , imagine that I rode a bulldozer and used it to demolish a mosque, burned all the qurans in there and then I claimed that allah doesn't exist otherwise the mosque would have defended itself , how would muslims feel especially in a muslim majority country .
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after Conquest of Mecca by islam muhammad prohibited all the arabic tribes from worshiping their idols
muhammad also destroyed all the idols ,
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before islam the Arabian Peninsula had many cultures , many religions
after islam it had only one religion and one culture islam ,
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this tradition of destroying the land marks of other cultures like what isis did in iraq came from muhammad destroying the idols back in mecca and then in the entire Arabian Peninsula , you might not now this but one of islamic caliphate's son tried to destroy egypt pyramids sadly or luckly he failed after only managing to leave a massive gash at one of them
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In AD 1196, Al-Aziz Uthman, Saladin's son and the Sultan of Egypt, attempted to demolish the pyramids, starting with that of Menkaure. Workmen recruited to demolish the pyramid stayed at their job for eight months, but found it almost as expensive to destroy as to build. They could only remove one or two stones each day. Some used wedges and levers to move the stones, while others used ropes to pull them down. When a stone fell, it would bury itself in the sand, requiring extraordinary efforts to free it. Wedges were used to split the stones into several pieces, and a cart was used to carry it to the foot of the escarpment, where it was left. Despite their efforts, workmen were only able to damage the pyramid to the extent of leaving a large vertical gash at its northern face.
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@Yassine
We have commanded man to be good to his parents: his mother struggled to carry him and struggled to give birth to him- his bearing and weaning took a full thirty months. When he has grown to manhood and reached the age of forty he [may] say, ‘Lord, help me to be truly grateful for Your favours to me and to my parents; help me to do good work that pleases You; make my offspring good. I turn to You; I am one of those who devote themselves to You.’Mothers suckle their children for two whole years, if they wish to complete the term, and clothing and maintenance must be borne by the father in a fair manner. No one should be burdened with more than they can bear: no mother shall be made to suffer harm on account of her child, nor any father on account of his. The same duty is incumbent on the father’s heir. If, by mutual consent and consultation, the couple wish to wean [the child], they will not be blamed, nor will there be any blame if you wish to engage a wet nurse, provided you pay as agreed in a fair manner. Be mindful of God, knowing that He sees everything you do.(31:14)We enjoined upon man to be dutiful to his parents. His mother bore him in weakness upon weakness, and his weaning lasted two years. (We, therefore, enjoined upon him): “Give thanks to Me and to your parents. To Me is your ultimate return.- Thank you for confirming what I said. That, the duration designated serve as a legal basis for child care, alimony, child support..etc
while the child birth success is high it's survivability is low it would also endanger both the mother's health and the baby's and might damage the mothers reproduction organs.
if it proves something it proves that your god is f*cking idiot
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@zedvictor4
people like yassine who are extremely hateful and obsessed of the west and america are the reason for 9/11 and similar acts , he gets out of his way to change the subject from talking about islam to talking about the west ,
I mean the USA thrown a nuke at the japanese yet they aren't this hateful , he probably suffers from inferiority complex and extremely jealous that the westren countries are developed while most muslim countries are third world countries
don't feel bad many muslim dynasties suffered from worse problems sadly all the evidence and books mentioning that are in arabic
also the arabic islamic history isn't as well documented in english as that of Europe
this allows many muslims to bullshit and tell people whatever they want about their religion including making whatever story they like
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@Yassine
would love to see those hadiths along with their source- "The male reproductive substance is white, and the female reproductive substance is yellow. When they meet, if the male semen went up first, then it shall be a male offspring by Allah's decree, if the female semen went up first, then it shall be a female offspring by Allah's decree" – Prophet Muhammed (pbuh). Also in the Quran, "We created man from a drop of mingled fluid".
still no mention of the female Ovum
you're forgetting something very important here that would be called pre-matured birth not normal birth also it requires high end technology- Your point?
while the child birth success is high it's survivability is low it would also endanger both the mother's health and the baby's and might damage the mothers reproduction organs.
also we can create children without the men and women using artificial womb we just need the ovum of a woman and some semen sadly that's considered un ethical
We have commanded man to be good to his parents: his mother struggled to carry him and struggled to give birth to him- his bearing and weaning took a full thirty months. When he has grown to manhood and reached the age of forty he [may] say, ‘Lord, help me to be truly grateful for Your favours to me and to my parents; help me to do good work that pleases You; make my offspring good. I turn to You; I am one of those who devote themselves to You.’Mothers suckle their children for two whole years, if they wish to complete the term, and clothing and maintenance must be borne by the father in a fair manner. No one should be burdened with more than they can bear: no mother shall be made to suffer harm on account of her child, nor any father on account of his. The same duty is incumbent on the father’s heir. If, by mutual consent and consultation, the couple wish to wean [the child], they will not be blamed, nor will there be any blame if you wish to engage a wet nurse, provided you pay as agreed in a fair manner. Be mindful of God, knowing that He sees everything you do.(31:14)We enjoined upon man to be dutiful to his parents. His mother bore him in weakness upon weakness, and his weaning lasted two years. (We, therefore, enjoined upon him): “Give thanks to Me and to your parents. To Me is your ultimate return.- Thank you for confirming what I said. That, the duration designated serve as a legal basis for child care, alimony, child support..etc.
a god makes a mistake at the numbers of months women need to give birth
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@Yassine
you know that khadijah was a businesswoman and owned a caravan before muhammad married her ?- Not a caravan, a share. Hind Bint Utbah was a wealthy woman under her father too, when he died, she become destitute, & would steal from her husband Abu Sufyan to feed herself. Khadijah's father was a wealthy man, & she is twice widowed, both her previous husbands were affluent as well. Wealth accumulated in her possession, because her father & her husbands chose to grant it to her. Case in point, Khadijah is the only such woman known in Quraysh.
let me guess , khadijah is the muslim woman and Hind Bint Utbah is the kaffar woman right ? and you're accusing me of sexism
isn't this prove that women weren't oppressed back before islam ,- Even if Khadijah was the queen of Arabia, it won't change the fact that women had virtually no rights then. One woman does not represent all women.
empty claims with not even a shred of evidence
it's one supported by muslims themselves unless khadijah was oppressed back then too and didn't own a caravan and wasn't a rich businesswoman , an example of very successful woman in the times of which you claim that women were oppressed by men your claims -of women being oppressed back then is destroyed by her existence.- Dude, what are you blabbering about?! More so, why are you acting so shocked? All of this & more was happening in the West not even a century ago, let alone Arabia 15 centuries ago. Women gained divorce rights in Italy late 80s, & only gained full property rights in France in 1939! Shortly before that they couldn't vote. Up until a century ago, women were barred from attending higher education. Heck, women were sold by their own husbands in Britain up until the 1880s when it was banned. Back then, they didn't have even have property rights or inheritance rights. Does that mean there were no wealthy British women? There were, albeit rare.
very shocked by the stupidity of your claims
and yet in ancient china they were given rights , why are you comparing , what are you getting into by comparing what islam did with what happened in Europe , they were bad yes , does that make your case better no
1. islam is a religion , euorpe is a country -a group of countries- , IDK but I think that christianity was not ok with such acts
you claim that women were oppressed and weren't given any rights until muhammad came and gave them their rights , provide evidence supporting your claim of women being oppressed- What rights were they given...? Property rights? No. Inheritance rights? No. Consensual marriage rights? No. Divorce rights? No. Education rights? No. Protection rights? No... these weren't given to 19th century Europeans, let alone 7th century Arabia. In face, none of these rights were granted to pre-Islamic Women. Period.
according to whom ? you , muhammad ?
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@Yassine
I'm discussing the use of islamophobia to stop people from criticizing/satire Islam
If you don't want to discuss that get lost
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@Yassine
yet fatima his daughter was too young for his friend abu baker to marry despite being older than aisha ?- & his other daughters (Ruqaya, Zaynab & Um-Khulthum) married between 8 & 11. This does not help your case whatsoever.
non of which were consumated
he also had no children with her , -note that muhammad had children with all of his wives other than 2 , one was too old to bear any while the other aisha too young to bear any , most of them died -- First of all, no. The beloved Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) had children only with Khadijah, & with *NONE* of his other wives. So that's a lie. Second of all, I'm sure you think you got a clever argument, but it's just so dumb. I CAN'T! Even if Aisha was 2 years old initially, she would've eventually gotten pregnant in those 10 years together (if she had any ability to). But you got one thing right, Muhammed (pbuh) did not have children with any of his wives -except Khadijah, indeed because most were too old to bear any, combined with the fact that some were probably barren & the relatively short amount of time these marriages lasted (most in the last 5 years of his life).
he had children with them they just died before their birth ,
it's mentioned in the quran just read the verse- You're beating a dead horse. Moving on.
just read your holy book
would love to hear when did anyone was ever killed for insulting america- Yet 20 million innocent people killed for not even doing that... Murica is too callous & vicious to care about such trivial things! Now, imagine Murica doing what the beloved Prophet (pbuh) did to Quraysh... like forgiving al-Qaeda or the Japanese Navy in WWII, or the Nazis, or the Cubans... wouldn't that be the joke of the century!
your responses are extremely dumb are you comparing WW 2 with some stuipd religious war between muhammad and his clan , his entire clan doesn't amount to more than 14 thousand people , the scale itself makes your example extremely stupid
my morality stems from my belief that god do exist it's just not the god/gods from organized religion and unlike you my morality comes from wanting to be a good person and not from fear of hell or whatever- So far, all I've seen is the most foul nastiness in this Forum from you. Case in point, Mr. Moral Abyss.
all I see in your comments is insults and empty claims that you're making up , and I'm the nasty one here
how many people died for no other crime than criticizing/satire islam ?- I'm guessing probably 0.00000001% of those done in by Christians or your beloved atheists? This does not save your case from ignoring the horrible US did & is doing to those who criticized Liberal Capitalism then, or those who criticize the Liberal tyranny in the country today
I've yet to figure out what does the US have to do with this religious discussion since the us is a political country and NOT a theocracy
why not the issue is in the language we shall debate in arabic- You don't know Arabic. This is an English debate website. Debates are in English.
I see fear , fear of loosing the debate
this is annoying I'm talking about the importance of "الحركات " in the meaning of arabic words- You're free to embarrass yourself further...
I'm talking about diacritics in arabic and their effect on the meaning of the word
we are not discussing about the USA nor are we discussing conspiracy theories- Yeah, life means nothing to you. Hate is a b*tch ain't it! Sad!
I'm not discussing saudi arabia here nor iran , since most countries don't move due to religious reasons -unless they are theocracies- but move due to political reasons
islam have the death penalty for homosexuality and mentioned the story of the people of lut/lot where allah punish those people for their sexual orientation mentioned in the holy quranwould love it if you could provide evidence supporting those claims especially the one about that no death penalty for homosexuality- Stop lying! There is no penalty for "homosexuality" or "sexual orientation" in Islam.
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how about the story of lot/lut the holy quran?- Yes, public sodomy."Whoever you find doing as the people of Lot did (i.e. homosexuality), kill the one who does it and the one to whom it is done- No, public sodomy*.why did allah punished the people of lot/lut , I would love to hear that it wasn't for their homosexuality and why ?- For public sodomy.
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@Yassine
من زاوية تاريخية ، ما قاله الدكتور الإخواني خالد الخالدي يثير في أعماق من غاصوا قليلاً في تاريخ الأمة بحاراً من الشجن، حيث ترجعنا تهمة الزندقة إلى سجل طويل من جرائم إقصاء المفكرين والعلماء، فهي تهمة ابتدعها الخلفاء العباسيين بداية في القضاء على كل معترض على ظلهم وجورهم ، ورغم ما قاله " الخالدي" أدان فيه نفسه، إلا أنه نكأ فينا جرحاً اتصل بكل أعلام الأمة الذين أعٌدموا بسبب خلاف سياسي قبل أن تلصق فيهم تهمة الزندقة .- BS. Virtually all the quotes you showing here are from Ibn Taymyyah, directly or through his students. Ibn Taymyyah says the same about al-Ghazali or Fakhr Razi, & litereally 90% of Muslim scholars... Why are you sending all these quotes?! I'm not Wahabi. I'm Ash'ari, Ibn Taymyyah is the most staunch opponent of Ash'aris.وهذه هي قائمة بأبرز أعلام الأمة الذين يطلق عليهم الناس لقب علماء الإسلام ، ويسترشدون بزمانهم وما قدموه للبشرية هؤلاء العلماء تم قتلهم بصورة بشعه و تكفيرهم وحرق كتبهم وعلومهم على يد متحجري وداعميهم من الحكام :1-ابن المقفع : اتهم بالزندقة و قتل بعدها على يد سفيان بن معاوية حيث قام بصلبه و تقطيع لحمه قطعة قطعة و شيها في النار أمام ناظريه حتى مات . * المصدر : البداية و النهاية لابن كثير( 96/10) .- LOL! Sufyan killed Ibn Muqafaa because the latter bullied him badly, eventually he had enough & took revenge. Ibn Muqafaa is an Arab literary legend, LOL!2-الفارابي : من أكبر الفلاسفة و أتهم أنه "أشدهم إلحاداً وإعراضاً كان يفضل الفيلسوف على النبي و يقول بقدم العالم و يكذب الأنبياء و له في ذلك مقالات في إنكار البعث و السمعيات و حتى ابن سينا على إلحاده كان خيراً منه .*المصدر : المنقذ من الضلال : ص 98 + البداية و النهاية : 224/11 + إغاثة اللهفان : 601/2- Over-sensationalism! Al-Farabi is hugely influential in Islamic History, he was universally called THE SECOND MASTER (Aristotle being the first) in the Muslim world, & is taught today. He died at 80, his tomb is still visited today. He was a devout Muslim, with emphasis on spirituality & love of God.. 3-ابن سينا : اتهم أنه (إمام الملاحدة فلسفي النحلة ضال مضل من القرامطة الباطنية كافر بالله و ملائكته و كتبه و رسله و اليوم الآخر و له من الضلالات و الكفريات ما تنشق له السماوات .*المصدر : المنقذ من الضلال : ص 98 + البداية و النهاية : 42/12 + سير أعلام النبلاء : 531/1 - 539- What is this nonsense! Ibn Sina was Hanafi in madhhab, he is arguably more influential than Farabi, for his larger scope. Imam Fakhr Razi literally has a commentary on every single work of Ibn Sina, including a 20-volume commentary on Shifa, & a 10-volume commentary on Qanon. I have many of Ibn Sina's books. He was a pious Muslim, who fasted days & prayed nights, he died in sickness. His tomb is in Iran, very popular destination.4-أبو العلاء المعري : اتهم أنه (مشهور بالزندقة على طريقة البراهمة الفلاسفة و في أشعاره ما يدل على إلحاده و انحلاله من الدين ، ذكر بن الجوزي أنه رأى له كتاباً سماه " الفصول و الغايات في معارضة الصور و الآيات " على حروف المعجم و قبائحه كثيرة .* المصدر : المنتظم 148/8 + البداية و النهاية : 72/12 .- Maari is the most celebrated poet of the 5th century, he was so good he got too arrogant for a while & apostatized, though that didn't last long. He served in the Egyptian court, & died of old age in his bed.5-أبو بكر الرازي : اتهم أنه "من كبار الزنادقة الملاحدة يقول بالقدماء الخمسة الموافق لمذهب الحرائيين الصابئة و هي الرب والنفس و المادة و الدهر و الفضاء و هو يفوق كفر الفلاسفة القائلين بقدم الأفلاك و صنف في مذهبه هذا و نصره و زندقته مشهورة "*المصدر : در التعارض : 346/9 + مع منهاج السنة : 209/1 + مجموع الفتاوى : 304/6- Abu Bakr Razi is among the trio-diety doctors of Islamic History, along with Ibn Sina & Zahrawi. He became a deist, but repented towards the end of his life, & died a devout Muslim in peace. I read his debate with the other Razi (Abu Hatim).-6 يعقوب بن اسحاق (الكندي ) : فيلسوف من أوائل الفلاسفة المسلمين "منجم ضال متهم في دينه كإخوانه الفلاسفة بلغ من ضلاله أنه أنكر الوحي و حاول معارضة القرآن بكلامه . "*المصدر : لسان الميزان : 373/6 + مقدمة ابن خلدون : 331 + مجموع الفتاوى : 186/9- Yes, Ibn Taymyah hates his guts, but you know what? He still uses his arguments extensively. LOL! Al-Kindi is the greatest Muslim philosopher, as the Father of Islamic Philosophy. Sadly, much of his works are lost.-7 ابن النديم : كان كما اتهمه البعض أنه "رافضي معتزلي و قال فيه بن حجر العسقلاني : أن لابن النديم مصنف " فهرست العلماء " ينادي على من صنفه بالاعتزال و الزيغ .* المصدر : لسان الميزان : 83/5- He is Shiai, yes. Still very authoritative in his field.8-ابن طفيل : اتهم أنه (من أئمة ملاحدة عصره من الفلاسفة يقول بقدم العالم و غير ذلك من أقوال الملاحدة .*المصدر : درء التعارض : 11/1 ، 56/6- Yet, he was the chief scholar of the Caliph's court. LOL!9- ابن الهيثم : التهمة="من الملاحدة الخارجين عن دين الإسلام من أقران ابن سينا علماً و سفهاً و إلحاداً و ضلالاً كان في دولة العبيديين الزنادقة كان كأمثاله من الفلاسفة يقول بقدم العالم و غيره من الكفريات .* المصدر : درء التعارض : 281/2 + في تاريخ الفلاسفة : ص 270 + فتاوى شيخ الإسلام : 135/35 .- Ibn Haytham is Ash'ari, of course Ibn Taymyyah will insult him... Ibn Haytham is the greatest scientist of Islamic History, alongside al-Biruni. He is the man who broke Natural Philosophy to replace with Natural Science, & the father of Optics, Calculus & the Scientific Method.10- الطوسي : وتهمته من هؤلاء المتطرفين أنه "نصير الكفر والشرك و الإلحاد فيلسوف ملحد ضال مضل كان وزيراً لهولاكو و هو الذي أشار عليه بقتل الخليفة و المسلمين و استبقاء الفلاسفة والملحدين و حاول أن يجعل كتاب " الإشارات " لابن سينا بدلاً من القرآن و فتح مدارس للتنجيم و الفلسفة و إلحاده عظيم . "* المصدر : درء التعارض : 67/5 + البداية و النهاية : 267/13 + إغاثة اللهفان : 601/2 .- Tusi is one of the major astronomers of Islamic History, the one to solve the problem of ellipses which Ptolemy couldn't solve, & the second father of Trigonometry after al-Marwazi.11-الجاحظ : واتهم أنه (كان سيء المخبر رديء الاعتقاد تنسب إليه البدع و الضلالات و ربما جاز به بعضهم إلى الانحلال وحكى الخطيب بسنده أنه كان لا يصلي و رمي بالزندقة )* المصدر : البداية و النهاية : 19/11- LMAO! Jahiz is literally the most prominent author in the history of Arabic literature... I read some of his books.12-عباس بن فرناس : فيلسوف موسيقي مغنٍ منجم نسب إليه السحر و الكيمياء و كثر عليه الطعن في دينه و اتهم في عقيدته و رمي بالزندقة و كان بالإضافة إلى ذلك شاعراً بذيئاً في شعره مولعاً بالغناء و الموسيقى-على ما اتهموه . * *المصدر : المقتبس من أهل الأندلس : ص 279 + نفح الطيب : 348/4- Abbas Ibn Farnas is a hero, he was a genius engineer , he flew the first aircraft!13-ابن رشد : اتهم من المتطرفين الماضويين أنه (فيلسوف ضال ملحد يقول بأن الأنبياء يخيلون للناس خلاف الواقع و يقول بقدم العالم و ينكر البعث و حاول التوفيق بين الشريعة و فلسفة أرسطو في كتابيه " فصل المقال " و " مناهج الملة " و هو في موافقته لأرسطو و تعظيمه له و لشيعته أعظم من موافقة بن سينا وتعظيمه له و قد انتصر للفلاسفة الملاحدة في " تهافت التهافت " و يعتبر من باطنية الفلاسفة و إلحادياته مشهورة . )*المصدر : سير أعلام النبلاء : 307/21 + درء التعارض : 11/1 – 127 – 152- Funny how Ibn Taymyyah shits on Ibn Rushd, yet he is his most quoted source in that book.14- محمد بن الشاكر : وتهمته (فيلسوف زنديق اشتغل بالموسيقى و التنجيم من الذين ترجموا كتب اليونان و أبوه موسى بن شاكر و أخواه أحمد و الحسن منجمون فلاسفة أيضاً )*المصدر : سير أعلام الأعلام : 117/7- I don't know this person15-ثابت بن قرة : واتهم كما غيره أنه (صابئ كافر فيلسوف ملحد منجم و هو و ابنه إبراهيم بن ثابت و حفيده ثابت بن سنان ماتوا على ضلالهم . )* المصدر : سير أعلام النبلاء : 485/13 + البداية و النهاية : 85/11- Thabit is a one of the 4 Pillars of Mathematics known in early Islam, (alongside al-Khawarizmi)... but he was Sufi, so that's not acceptable for Ibn Taymmyah.- Seriously what is the point of this dumb post, a list of some of the greatest Muslim intellectuals & Ibn Taymyyah's disapproval? Why should I care? Ibn Taymyyah, in terms of qualification (except in Fiqh) does not hold a candle to any of them in their fields.
every single case I've provided came with it's source , and I have yet to see where's the evidence supporting your claims
for all I know you could be making tall tales about those people
also mentioning what they achieved and their expertise doesn't disprove that they got accused of heresy by muslim shekhs and imam some of them even excuted
are we bringing the holocaust now , so do you deny that the holocaust ever happen ?- Why don't try that in France or Germany...? Then come & talk to me about blasphemy laws... LOL!
are you running away from the question , I've already told you I believe that the holocaust did happen and the jews were victims of it what about you
also many people criticize Judaism , but since Judaism don't have preaching like islam and christianity and you need to go to them and ask them if you want to join their religion less people criticize them compared with islam and christianity- Judaism used to be #1 enemy of Christianity, things have changed since Israel & the Evangelicals. Christians don't want to criticize Judaism, because they love the Judeo-Christian feeling. Atheists don't criticize it, because they know very little about it, & also that can get you into trouble if you hurt the feelings of the Jews. Muslims don't criticize them either, because honestly they don't care.
christians don't criticize judaism , atheists do , The term Judeo-Christian is used to group Christianity and Judaism together, either in reference to Christianity's derivation from Judaism, Christianity's borrowing of Jewish Scripture to constitute the "Old Testament" of the Christian Bible, or due to perceived parallels
9/11Reminds me of this quote: “How many September 11ths has the United States caused in other nations since WWII?” The answer is: possibly 10,000.
victim mentality of muslims , the west doesn't even have the time to care about any of this non sense and you people keep pining the blame on them
and what does WW 2 have to do with anything , for all I know the US fought to stop adolf hitler and nazis from ruling the world .
syrian refugees- & Palestinians, Iraqis, Afghanis, Sudanese, Somalis, Yemenis, Libyans, Iranians, Indonesians... in dozens of millions, thanks to Western hegemony (mostly US) since WWII.
half of those if not all are caused by muslims
isis- - Reconquista, Crusades, Age of "Discovery", Colonial Period, Post-Colonial Period = a continuous non-stop 1000 years of Western aggression against Muslims, with +100 million death toll.
there's a differnce between colonization and crusades , colonization wasn't led by a theocracy
isis is trying to establish an islamic theocracy and restore the caliphate
a continuous non-stop 1000 years of Western aggression against Muslims , what kind of nonsense is that what about the 1400 years of non stop jihad against the west and Europe ?
al qaida- Wahabis, funded by the British to remove the Ottomans from Arabia, then by the US to fight the Soviets, & to keep Arab nationalism in check, which eventually led to the fall of Iraq & Syria. The US caused the deaths of 1000 times more than ISIS, ALQAIDA & all the others combined.
evidence again , also I'm not interested in conspiracy theories
the killing of the teacher in france- & 1.2 MILLION people in the War On Terror, probably thousands of them teachers. Anything else?
as the war on terror, is the term that refers to an ongoing international military campaign launched by the United States government following the September 11 attacks. The targets of the campaign are primarily extremist groups located throughout the Muslim world, with the most prominent groups being al-Qaeda, as well as the Islamic State
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very funny since your religion claims that women can give birth in 6 months- They actually can. In fact, 6 months is the gestational limit of viability in case you didn't know.
you're forgetting something very important here that would be called pre-matured birth not normal birth also it requires high end technology and
We have commanded man to be good to his parents: his mother struggled to carry him and struggled to give birth to him- his bearing and weaning took a full thirty months. When he has grown to manhood and reached the age of forty he [may] say, ‘Lord, help me to be truly grateful for Your favours to me and to my parents; help me to do good work that pleases You; make my offspring good. I turn to You; I am one of those who devote themselves to You.’
Mothers suckle their children for two whole years, if they wish to complete the term, and clothing and maintenance must be borne by the father in a fair manner. No one should be burdened with more than they can bear: no mother shall be made to suffer harm on account of her child, nor any father on account of his. The same duty is incumbent on the father’s heir. If, by mutual consent and consultation, the couple wish to wean [the child], they will not be blamed, nor will there be any blame if you wish to engage a wet nurse, provided you pay as agreed in a fair manner. Be mindful of God, knowing that He sees everything you do.
(31:14)
We enjoined upon man to be dutiful to his parents. His mother bore him in weakness upon weakness, and his weaning lasted two years. (We, therefore, enjoined upon him): “Give thanks to Me and to your parents. To Me is your ultimate return.
do you think that without the technology and medicines would any child survive after 6 months also the child would be unhealthy
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@Yassine
See this article for the most comprehensive explanation and evidence. Furthermore, there is no sign that the author of the Quran was aware of the female egg (ovum).- False. It is mentioned in the Hadith.In reality, a single sperm cell penetrates and fuses with the female ovum. This fertilised egg, called a zygote, is then pushed down the fallopian tube for a few days. On the way, cell division begins, and this multi-celled cluster, now called a blastocyst, implants in the uterus (womb).- Also mentioned in the Hadith, in overview of course. [meeting of the female egg & male sperm, that is]
would love to see those hadiths along with their source
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and I would love to see where did this estimation came from , the source , the book mentioning it, the study mentioning it ?- I've read too many books to know where that's from. Maybe I'd be more eager to look if in w formal debate. You haven't done the exercise I asked.the very convenient claim of I forgot where I read it , just tell me you made that up no need to spin tall tales about itI also had evidence claiming that more than 50% of the stories quran stories were mentioned in the bible and tulmod toobut as you know .I've read too many books to know where that's from.too- Show me one.
show me yours first
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@Yassine
this is what I hate about Muslims they have claims without any evidence , when ask them to provide evidence they tell you to search for it- I'm not telling secrets. This stuff is known! Maybe you'll see your sources in a formal debate.for all I know you could be making this up and spinning tall tales- I see how you could think that, because that's all you do.funny that this is coming from you , when you've yet to provide any evidence supporting your claims- Am I hearing an echo...
you know that khadijah was a businesswoman and owned a caravan before muhammad married her ?
isn't this prove that women weren't oppressed back before islam , it's one supported by muslims themselves unless khadijah was oppressed back then too and didn't own a caravan and wasn't a rich businesswoman , an example of very successful woman in the times of which you claim that women were oppressed by men your claims -of women being oppressed back then is destroyed by her existence.
you claim that women were oppressed and weren't given any rights until muhammad came and gave them their rights , provide evidence supporting your claim of women being oppressed
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and I would love to see where did this estimation came from , the source , the book mentioning it, the study mentioning it ?- I've read too many books to know where that's from. Maybe I'd be more eager to look if in w formal debate. You haven't done the exercise I asked.
the very convenient claim of I forgot where I read it , just tell me you made that up no need to spin tall tales about it
I also had evidence claiming that more than 50% of the stories quran stories were mentioned in the bible and tulmod too
but as you know .
I've read too many books to know where that's from.
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you claim so but have yet to provide any evidence supporting your claimwhich is women back then were oppressed- I'm not your nanny, find out for yourself. Open a book, ask Google... This seems to be your last resort when you got nothing else to say! If you don't know basic things about the subject, why do you have opinions about it?
this is what I hate about Muslims they have claims without any evidence , when ask them to provide evidence they tell you to search for it
for all I know you could be making this up and spinning tall tales
Women were very oppressed back then, however he is extremely wrong if he thinks Islam liberated them.- Go on, elaborate. Claims are easy to make.
funny that this is coming from you , when you've yet to provide any evidence supporting your claims
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@Yassine
1. a woman is given half the inherence of that of a man
2. can women marry four men too ?
3. can women divorce her husband in islam? the answer is yes but is it as easy as when her husband want to divorce her the answer is no
4.Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "If a husband calls his wife to his bed (i.e. to have sexual relation) and she refuses and causes him to sleep in anger, the angels will curse her till morning."
Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 3237
In-book reference : Book 59, Hadith 48
USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 4, Book 54, Hadith 460
In-book reference : Book 59, Hadith 48
USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 4, Book 54, Hadith 460
5."He Who is in heaven is displeased with her till her husband is pleased with her."
Sunnah.com reference :sahih muslim Book 8, Hadith 67
English translation: Book 8, Hadith 0
Arabic reference : Book 8, Hadith 1021
English translation: Book 8, Hadith 0
Arabic reference : Book 8, Hadith 1021
6.The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "A woman should not fast (optional fasts) except with her husband's permission if he is at home (staying with her).
Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 5192
In-book reference : Book 67, Hadith 126
USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 7, Book 62, Hadith 120
In-book reference : Book 67, Hadith 126
USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 7, Book 62, Hadith 120
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@Yassine
how did khadijah came to own that business if women back then didn't have those rights ?– Refer to: a woman could only own property if with the permission of her father or husband. They could not inherit, unless no other males exist. How come you don't know basic things about Arab History & claim to know Arabic. LOL!
you claim so but have yet to provide any evidence supporting your claim
which is women back then were oppressed
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@Yassine
he middle east was ruled by the roman empire before islam ever existed in case you didn't know- Only a third* of the Middle East. How old are you?!
who did omar took the holy land of Jerusalem from ?
muhammad freeing the people of Banu al-Mustaliq totally doesn't sound like marry me or your entire clan will remain slaves -totally not blackmail-- The very link you're sourcing contradicts what you're saying!!!She said: Messenger of Allah, I am Juwayriyyah daughter of [the chief] [...]. I have fallen to the lot of Thabit and I have entered into an agreement to purchase of my freedom. I have come to you to seek assistance for the purchase of my freedom.
The Messenger of Allah said: Are you inclined to that which is better? She asked: What is that, Messenger of Allah? He replied: I shall pay the price of your freedom on your behalf, and I shall marry you. She said: I shall do this. [...] The people then heard that the Messenger of Allah had married Juwayriyyah. They released the captives in their possession and set them free...- Just imagine the USA doing what the Prophet (pbuh) did to the POWs they're holding; Give them the option to buy their freedom, & even assist them in that transaction, & then go as far as to release all POWs with a marriage alliance! LOL! I'm just kidding, as if that's ever gunna happen! Fortunately for Banu Mustalaq they did not attempt to attack the West, lest they'd be wiped or rotten underground. We all know the terrible things the West does to POWs of other countries; 700k German POWs enslaved in forced-labour to death, dozens of thousands held in Guantanamo bay & dozens of other prisons under the most gruesome torture & abuse... Appalling!
the link was provided by you , and it seems like you really hate america , not that I care but I would love to see evidence supporting those empty claims of yours , that would really help
muhammad freeing the people of mecca?they are his direct relatives , even muhammad wouldn't let his antes and uncles end up becoming sex slaves to his followers- I don't blame you, having such a sick mentality must be hard to live with. Maybe you see everything that moves as a sexual adventure, IDK! Maybe it's just that deep of hate. The people of Mecca abused, tortured, maimed, burned, pillaged, blockaded, chained, starved, killed... the Prophet (pbuh) & his companions. Despite all that, when the praised Muhammed (pbuh) took Mecca & had them in his hands & the best opportunity to enact the perfect justice, instead he showed the most divine mercy & said: 'There is no blame on you today. Go, for you are free'.- Just imagine -in a parallel universe- a leader of a Western country, say the US, doing what the Prophet (pbuh) did to their enemies, say pardoning the Japanese for attacking & killing their people... Wouldn't that be a wonderful world! Sadly, we know in reality the US used Japanese internment camps to cage their own innocent civilians for committing the unforgivable crime of sharing the same race with the people they are bombing...
they were his very own clan and his direct relatives , also all those claims of muhammad getting tortured , maimed , burned , pillaged ,,,,,,,,,,,,etc came from muhammad -very unreliable
muhammad greeted by a stone
I recognise the stone in Mecca which used to pay me salutations before my advent as a Prophet and I recognise that even now.
Reference: Sahih Muslim 2277
In-book reference : Book 43, Hadith 2
USC-MSA web (English) reference : Book 30, Hadith 5654
In-book reference : Book 43, Hadith 2
USC-MSA web (English) reference : Book 30, Hadith 5654
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muhammad and crying trees
The Prophet (ﷺ) used to stand by a tree or a date-palm on Friday. Then an Ansari woman or man said. "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! Shall we make a pulpit for you?" He replied, "If you wish." So they made a pulpit for him and when it was Friday, he proceeded towards the pulpit (for delivering the sermon). The datepalm cried like a child! The Prophet (ﷺ) descended (the pulpit) and embraced it while it continued moaning like a child being quietened. The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "It was crying for (missing) what it used to hear of religious knowledge given near to it."
Reference
: Sahih al-Bukhari 3584
In-book reference : Book 61, Hadith 93
USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 4, Book 56, Hadith 784
: Sahih al-Bukhari 3584
In-book reference : Book 61, Hadith 93
USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 4, Book 56, Hadith 784
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food talking
We used to consider miracles as Allah's Blessings, but you people consider them to be a warning. Once we were with Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) on a journey, and we ran short of water. He said, "Bring the water remaining with you." The people brought a utensil containing a little water. He placed his hand in it and said, "Come to the blessed water, and the Blessing is from Allah." I saw the water flowing from among the fingers of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) , and no doubt, we heard the meal glorifying Allah, when it was being eaten (by him).
Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 3579
In-book reference : Book 61, Hadith 88
USC-MSA web (English) reference: Vol. 4, Book 56, Hadith 779
In-book reference : Book 61, Hadith 88
USC-MSA web (English) reference: Vol. 4, Book 56, Hadith 779
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@Yassine
I would love to see any evidence supporting the claim which you've made about the stories from the bible and tulmod being less than 6*%- This questions shows that you have no effing clue what you're talking about. If you even know a little about the Biblical stories & the Quranic stories you wouldn't have asked that. LOL! Regardless, this is not my claim, it's the estimate of those in the field. Why don't you do the exercise yourself. Find me the story in the Quran which looks like the story in the Bible, & see how much similarity they share. Have at it.
and I would love to see where did this estimation came from , the source , the book mentioning it, the study mentioning it ?
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they get accused of blasphemy and they get put to death if not physically then socially and now using islamophobia and hating of islam they are trying to make everyone shut up .- If you criticize the Jews or the Holocaust in the West you get put to death, if not physically, or financially, then socially for sure.
are we bringing the holocaust now , so do you deny that the holocaust ever happen ? also many people criticize Judaism , but since Judaism don't have preaching like islam and christianity and you need to go to them and ask them if you want to join their religion less people criticize them compared with islam and christianity
islam have caused many problems in the world ironically most of them are plaguing muslims- I expect something like this from someone who doesn't know the first thing about History like you. Islam brought Enlightenment to the World, in elevated Humanity in every aspect of life, personal, private, public & social. Muslims dominated the economic (+50% GDP), scientific, literary, artistic, legislative, political & military global spheres for 10 centuries. The average income of the Abbasid empire at its peak in the 9th century would not be reached by France, the jewel of Europe, until early 1900s. Harun Rashid's tax revenue was at least 50 times (YES 50) that of Louis XIV at the height of French prosperity. Just back in the 1700s, the Ottoman's average income level was 5 times higher than that of France. Muslims invented Natural Science & Social Science. Much of what is today known as Classical Physics (such as the laws of motion, gravity, force, momentum, heliocentric model...etc) is a Muslim invention. They also invented Chemistry, modern Surgery, modern Medicine & Veterinary science. They invented the University & the Hospital. They invented linguistic theory & the dictionary. Islamic Law hugely influenced both Common Law & Civil Law. For instance, animal rights in Europe, freedom of religion, woman's rights...etc, were all inspired from Muslims. All Scholastic, Renaissance, & Enlightenment thinkers have either studied under Muslims or studied their books. Such as Berkeley, Newton, Hume, Aquinas, Hobbs, Descartes, Rousseau...etc., and when anybody/anyone tries to address those problems they accuse them of islamophobia or hating muslims- Problems, such as?
9/11
syrian refugees
isis
al qaida
the killing of the teacher in france
من زاوية تاريخية ، ما قاله الدكتور الإخواني خالد الخالدي يثير في أعماق من غاصوا قليلاً في تاريخ الأمة بحاراً من الشجن، حيث ترجعنا تهمة الزندقة إلى سجل طويل من جرائم إقصاء المفكرين والعلماء، فهي تهمة ابتدعها الخلفاء العباسيين بداية في القضاء على كل معترض على ظلهم وجورهم ، ورغم ما قاله " الخالدي" أدان فيه نفسه، إلا أنه نكأ فينا جرحاً اتصل بكل أعلام الأمة الذين أعٌدموا بسبب خلاف سياسي قبل أن تلصق فيهم تهمة الزندقة .
وهذه هي قائمة بأبرز أعلام الأمة الذين يطلق عليهم الناس لقب علماء الإسلام ، ويسترشدون بزمانهم وما قدموه للبشرية هؤلاء العلماء تم قتلهم بصورة بشعه و تكفيرهم وحرق كتبهم وعلومهم على يد متحجري وداعميهم من الحكام :
1-ابن المقفع : اتهم بالزندقة و قتل بعدها على يد سفيان بن معاوية حيث قام بصلبه و تقطيع لحمه قطعة قطعة و شيها في النار أمام ناظريه حتى مات . * المصدر : البداية و النهاية لابن كثير( 96/10) .
2-الفارابي : من أكبر الفلاسفة و أتهم أنه "أشدهم إلحاداً وإعراضاً كان يفضل الفيلسوف على النبي و يقول بقدم العالم و يكذب الأنبياء و له في ذلك مقالات في إنكار البعث و السمعيات و حتى ابن سينا على إلحاده كان خيراً منه .
*المصدر : المنقذ من الضلال : ص 98 + البداية و النهاية : 224/11 + إغاثة اللهفان : 601/2
. 3-ابن سينا : اتهم أنه (إمام الملاحدة فلسفي النحلة ضال مضل من القرامطة الباطنية كافر بالله و ملائكته و كتبه و رسله و اليوم الآخر و له من الضلالات و الكفريات ما تنشق له السماوات .
*المصدر : المنقذ من الضلال : ص 98 + البداية و النهاية : 42/12 + سير أعلام النبلاء : 531/1 - 539
4-أبو العلاء المعري : اتهم أنه (مشهور بالزندقة على طريقة البراهمة الفلاسفة و في أشعاره ما يدل على إلحاده و انحلاله من الدين ، ذكر بن الجوزي أنه رأى له كتاباً سماه " الفصول و الغايات في معارضة الصور و الآيات " على حروف المعجم و قبائحه كثيرة .
* المصدر : المنتظم 148/8 + البداية و النهاية : 72/12 .
5-أبو بكر الرازي : اتهم أنه "من كبار الزنادقة الملاحدة يقول بالقدماء الخمسة الموافق لمذهب الحرائيين الصابئة و هي الرب والنفس و المادة و الدهر و الفضاء و هو يفوق كفر الفلاسفة القائلين بقدم الأفلاك و صنف في مذهبه هذا و نصره و زندقته مشهورة "
*المصدر : در التعارض : 346/9 + مع منهاج السنة : 209/1 + مجموع الفتاوى : 304/6
-6 يعقوب بن اسحاق (الكندي ) : فيلسوف من أوائل الفلاسفة المسلمين "منجم ضال متهم في دينه كإخوانه الفلاسفة بلغ من ضلاله أنه أنكر الوحي و حاول معارضة القرآن بكلامه . "
*المصدر : لسان الميزان : 373/6 + مقدمة ابن خلدون : 331 + مجموع الفتاوى : 186/9
-7 ابن النديم : كان كما اتهمه البعض أنه "رافضي معتزلي و قال فيه بن حجر العسقلاني : أن لابن النديم مصنف " فهرست العلماء " ينادي على من صنفه بالاعتزال و الزيغ .
* المصدر : لسان الميزان : 83/5
8-ابن طفيل : اتهم أنه (من أئمة ملاحدة عصره من الفلاسفة يقول بقدم العالم و غير ذلك من أقوال الملاحدة .
*المصدر : درء التعارض : 11/1 ، 56/6
9- ابن الهيثم : التهمة="من الملاحدة الخارجين عن دين الإسلام من أقران ابن سينا علماً و سفهاً و إلحاداً و ضلالاً كان في دولة العبيديين الزنادقة كان كأمثاله من الفلاسفة يقول بقدم العالم و غيره من الكفريات .
* المصدر : درء التعارض : 281/2 + في تاريخ الفلاسفة : ص 270 + فتاوى شيخ الإسلام : 135/35 .
10- الطوسي : وتهمته من هؤلاء المتطرفين أنه "نصير الكفر والشرك و الإلحاد فيلسوف ملحد ضال مضل كان وزيراً لهولاكو و هو الذي أشار عليه بقتل الخليفة و المسلمين و استبقاء الفلاسفة والملحدين و حاول أن يجعل كتاب " الإشارات " لابن سينا بدلاً من القرآن و فتح مدارس للتنجيم و الفلسفة و إلحاده عظيم . "
* المصدر : درء التعارض : 67/5 + البداية و النهاية : 267/13 + إغاثة اللهفان : 601/2 .
11-الجاحظ : واتهم أنه (كان سيء المخبر رديء الاعتقاد تنسب إليه البدع و الضلالات و ربما جاز به بعضهم إلى الانحلال وحكى الخطيب بسنده أنه كان لا يصلي و رمي بالزندقة )
* المصدر : البداية و النهاية : 19/11
12-عباس بن فرناس : فيلسوف موسيقي مغنٍ منجم نسب إليه السحر و الكيمياء و كثر عليه الطعن في دينه و اتهم في عقيدته و رمي بالزندقة و كان بالإضافة إلى ذلك شاعراً بذيئاً في شعره مولعاً بالغناء و الموسيقى-على ما اتهموه . * *المصدر : المقتبس من أهل الأندلس : ص 279 + نفح الطيب : 348/4
13-ابن رشد : اتهم من المتطرفين الماضويين أنه (فيلسوف ضال ملحد يقول بأن الأنبياء يخيلون للناس خلاف الواقع و يقول بقدم العالم و ينكر البعث و حاول التوفيق بين الشريعة و فلسفة أرسطو في كتابيه " فصل المقال " و " مناهج الملة " و هو في موافقته لأرسطو و تعظيمه له و لشيعته أعظم من موافقة بن سينا وتعظيمه له و قد انتصر للفلاسفة الملاحدة في " تهافت التهافت " و يعتبر من باطنية الفلاسفة و إلحادياته مشهورة . )
*المصدر : سير أعلام النبلاء : 307/21 + درء التعارض : 11/1 – 127 – 152
14- محمد بن الشاكر : وتهمته (فيلسوف زنديق اشتغل بالموسيقى و التنجيم من الذين ترجموا كتب اليونان و أبوه موسى بن شاكر و أخواه أحمد و الحسن منجمون فلاسفة أيضاً )
*المصدر : سير أعلام الأعلام : 117/7
15-ثابت بن قرة : واتهم كما غيره أنه (صابئ كافر فيلسوف ملحد منجم و هو و ابنه إبراهيم بن ثابت و حفيده ثابت بن سنان ماتوا على ضلالهم . )
* المصدر : سير أعلام النبلاء : 485/13 + البداية و النهاية : 85/11
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@Yassine
I see that've not read about Confucianism it came long before christianity and Islam and gave both women and men their rights and responsibilities , a very long time before both islam and christianity like about 551–479 BC- Sure! Namely, it gave the woman the responsibility to be the Yin (evil) sub-human in the possession of her husband. Is you dense or smth'?
I see that've read nothing about Confucianism
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how did khadijah came to own that business if women back then didn't have those rights ?
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the holy quran 18-74 & 18-80 it tells the story about a murder of child , and why was that child murdered ???
the murder
verse 18-74 :
So, they moved ahead until when they met a boy, he killed him (the boy). He (Mūsā) said, “Did you kill an innocent soul while he did not kill anyone? You have committed a heinous act indeed.”
— Mufti Taqi Usmani
So they (both) went off until, when they (both) met a youth, then he killed him. He said, "Have you killed a most cleansed self without (his having killed another) self? Indeed you have already come with a (highly) maleficent thing."
— Dr. Ghali
And so they travelled on. Then, when they met a young boy and the man killed him, Moses said, ‘How could you kill an innocent person? He has not killed anyone! What a terrible thing to do!’
— Abdul Haleem
So they twain journeyed on till, when they met a lad, he slew him. (Moses) said: What! Hast thou slain an innocent soul who hath slain no man? Verily thou hast done a horrid thing.
— Pickthall
Сўнг яна йўлга тушдилар. То бориб бир болага рўбарў бўлганларида (Хизир) уни ўлдирди. (Буни кўрган Мусо) деди: «Бировни ўлдирмаган бир бегуноҳ жонни ўлдирдинг-а. Дарҳақиқат, (сен) бузуқ иш қилдинг!»
— Alauddin Mansour
Puis ils partirent tous deux; et quand ils eurent rencontré un enfant, [l’homme] le tua. Alors [Moïse] lui dit : "As-tu tué un être innocent, qui n’a tué personne ? Tu as commis certes, une chose affreuse !"
— French Translation(Muhammad Hamidullah)
So they set out, until when they met a boy, he [i.e., al-Khiḍr] killed him. [Moses] said, "Have you killed a pure soul for other than [having killed] a soul? You have certainly done a deplorable thing."
— Saheeh International
Then the two went forth until they met a lad whom he slew, whereupon Moses exclaimed: "What! Have you slain an innocent person without his having slain anyone? Surely you have done a horrible thing."
— Tafheem-ul-Quran - Abul Ala Maududi
the justification :
verse 18:80
As for the boy, his parents were believers. We apprehended that he would impose rebellion and infidelity upon them.
— Mufti Taqi Usmani
And as for the youth, then his parents (Literally: his two fathers) were believers; so we were apprehensive he would oppress them with (his) in ordinance and disbelief.
— Dr. Ghali
The young boy had parents who were people of faith, and so, fearing he would trouble them through wickedness and disbelief,
— Abdul Haleem
And as for the lad, his parents were believers and we feared lest he should oppress them by rebellion and disbelief.
— Pickthall
Ҳалиги боланинг эса ота-оналари мўмин кишилар эдилар. Бас, биз у (бола) туғён ва куфр билан уларни қийнаб қўйишидан қўрқдик.
— Alauddin Mansour
Quant au garçon, ses père et mère étaient des croyants; nous avons craint qu’il ne leur imposât la rébellion et la mécréance.
— French Translation(Muhammad Hamidullah)
And as for the boy, his parents were believers, and we feared that he would overburden them by transgression and disbelief.
— Saheeh International
As for the lad, his parents were people of faith, and we feared lest he should plague them with transgression and disbelief,
— Tafheem-ul-Quran - Abul Ala Maududi
— Tafheem-ul-Quran - Abul Ala Maududi
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because he was going to make his parents become disbelievers in the future according to a man's imaginary friend (ALLAH)
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while people studying ethics and morals are still debating whether it's ok to kill adolf hitler if he was a child, islam is ok with killing a child for a crime he has not yet committed
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and what is that crime exactly ??? making his parents disbelievers in the future . wow what great crime
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AN OMNIPOTENT GOD ordered the death penalty of a child
couldn't allah order his follower to help that child until his future change or couldn't ALLAH change the FATE OF ONE CHILD!!!
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why would you worship a god who couldn't change the fate of one child and had to order his follower to kill a child out of fear that this child would mislead his parents when he grow up
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where is the freedom of religion exactly I wonder
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my questions are :
if allah couldn't save one child how is he going to save anything or anyone ?
the verse mentioned we as in al khader and his god -allah-
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@Yassine
I'm not running away an you've yet to provide any evidence that those stories didn't exist in islam because muhammad went with the caravan also
هو ورقة بن نوفل بن أسد بن عبد العزى بن قصي، وهو ابن عم خديجة بنت خويلد، زوجة النبي محمد حيث أن والده نوفل بن أسد هو أخ والدها خويلد بن أسد.
christianity was already established in mecca and even jews lived around there so it's no wonder that muhammad copied many stories from both the bible and tulmod
I also forgot to mention the story of Cain and Abel
- About 6% of the stories do indeed have parallels in the Bible. Another half have parallels in Biblical Apocrypha, the Talmud, Zoroastrian traditions & Arab pagan traditions, few in the Vedas, plus some ancient Sumerian & Egyptian sources. The rest of the stories & the rest of the Quran has nothing to do with all of that.
I would love to see any evidence supporting the claim which you've made about the stories from the bible and tulmod being less than 6*%
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@Yassine
you don't understand what Communism is
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a person hears about islam and watches a video explaining that islam mentioned how the embryo develops and it's stages and how people 1500 years ago shouldn't have known that , they decide to join islamwhile being totally not aware that it's totally wrong the embryo doesn't start as a clot of blood then a leech then it becomes bones before the bones are covered with flesh .the person judgement of joining islam is the outcome of a lie , the truth/or lack of the truth effected that person into joining islam- Imagine a person hearing that Islam mentioned that the embryo starts as a clot of blood then a leech then it becomes bones before the bones are covered with flesh, then decides to leave Islam, while being totally not aware that it's totally wrong, Islam did not mention that.
The Quran is written in Classical/Quranic arabic. As such, not all terms are easily translatable from Modern Standard Arabic.For clarification purposes:
- Nutfah (نُطْفَةً) - drop of semen
- Alaqah (عَلَقَةً) - leech and certain creatures that cling and suck blood, or blood, thick blood or clotted blood
- Mudghah (مُضْغَةً) - bite-sized morsel of flesh
- 'Itham (عِظَٰمًا) - bones, especially of the limbs
- Kasawa(كَسَوَ) - clothed
- Lahm (لَحْمًا) - flesh
From what thing [shayinشَىْءٍ] doth He create him? From a drop of seed [nutfatin نُّطْفَةٍ]. He createth him and proportioneth him
Quran 80:18-19
Did We not create you from a base fluid [ma-in maheenin مَّآءٍ مَّهِينٍ]? Which We laid up [jaAAalnahu جَعَلْنَٰهُ] in a safe abode [qararin makeenin قَرَارٍ مَّكِينٍ], For a period (of gestation), determined (according to need)?
Quran 77:20-22
Then placed him [jaAAalnahu جَعَلْنَٰهُ] as a drop (of seed) [nutfatan نُطْفَةً] in a safe lodging [qararin makeenin قَرَارٍ مَّكِينٍ];
Quran 23:13
Verily We created man from a product of wet earth [sulalatin min teenin سُلَٰلَةٍ مِّن طِينٍ]; Then placed him as a drop (of seed) [nutfatan نُطْفَةً] in a safe lodging [qararin makeenin قَرَارٍ مَّكِينٍ]; Then fashioned We the drop a clot ['alaqatan عَلَقَةً], then fashioned We the clot a little lump [mudghatan مُضْغَةً], then fashioned We the little lump bones ['ithaman عِظَٰمًا], then clothed [kasawna كَسَوْنَا] the bones with flesh [lahman لَحْمًا], and then produced it as another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators!
Quran 23:12-14
O mankind! if ye are in doubt concerning the Resurrection, then lo! We have created you from dust [turabin تُرَابٍ], then from a drop of seed [nutfatin نُّطْفَةٍ], then from a clot [alaqatin عَلَقَةٍ], then from a little lump of flesh [mudghatin مُّضْغَةٍ] shapely and shapeless [mukhallaqatin waghayri mukhallaqatin مُّخَلَّقَةٍ وَغَيْرِ مُخَلَّقَةٍ], that We may make (it) clear for you. And We cause what We will to remain in the wombs for an appointed time, and afterward We bring you forth as infants, then (give you growth) that ye attain your full strength. And among you there is he who dieth (young), and among you there is he who is brought back to the most abject time of life, so that, after knowledge, he knoweth naught. And thou (Muhammad) seest the earth barren, but when We send down water thereon, it doth thrill and swell and put forth every lovely kind (of growth).
Quran 22:5
He it is Who created you from dust [turabin تُرَابٍ], then from a drop (of seed) [nutfatin نُّطْفَةٍ] then from a clot [alaqatin عَلَقَةٍ], then bringeth you forth as a child, then (ordaineth) that ye attain full strength and afterward that ye become old men - though some among you die before - and that ye reach an appointed term, that haply ye may understand.
Quran 40:67
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1.A number of verses collectively demonstrate a belief that the earliest, nutfah stage of development is made of semen, perhaps mixed with a female fluid, which is placed in the womb for a known term, and where it undergoes various stages of development (as also taught by Galen and in the Jewish Talmud). See this article for the most comprehensive explanation and evidence. Furthermore, there is no sign that the author of the Quran was aware of the female egg (ovum).In reality, a single sperm cell penetrates and fuses with the female ovum. This fertilised egg, called a zygote, is then pushed down the fallopian tube for a few days. On the way, cell division begins, and this multi-celled cluster, now called a blastocyst, implants in the uterus (womb).
2.The embryo is then said to be congealed blood. All the classical tafsirs (exegetical commentaries) understood the meaning of 'alaqah to be blood or congealed blood, and clotted blood is a definition of the word in classical Arabic dictionaries. Regardless of alternative meanings for this Arabic word, it does not make sense to interpret a word whose main definitions include an explicit biological meaning (clotted blood) in a description of a biological process (embryology); certainly, from the point of divine authorship of the Qur'an, such imprecise meaning would throw into doubt the Qur'an's claim to be "clear." The choice of word now causes a well justified suspicion of inaccuracy, and for centuries misled people into thinking that the embryo is at one stage congealed blood (an actual embryo is at no point blood or a clot of blood). Similarly, again from the divine authorship and clarity perspective, for the same reason it would not make sense to use this word while intending blood clot as a mere visual analogy.
3.The Quran claims that bones are formed before being clothed with flesh. In fact cartilage models of the bones start to form at the same time as and in parallel with surrounding muscles, and this cartilage is literally replaced with bone.
The author of the Quran described a sequence of stages, which when examined without the false definitions and arbitrary assumptions made by apologists, clearly has no resemblance to the actual development process of a child in the womb, according to critics. Someone with a modern, scientific knowledge of embryology can instead marvel at the exquisite complexity that results from a process of co-ordinated cell differentiation and signaling, encoded in our genetic instruction set by millions of years of evolution, and devoid of any apparent divine design.
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the story of muhammad splitting the moon is very famous and muslims claim that nasa mentioned that along with the disgrace of discovering that nasa never mentioned that is well known
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the story of al isra and al maarij is also very famous and how muhammad went to outer space on the back of al buraq , a donkey with wings is mentioned
do women give birth in 6 months ?"The quran provides that the length of a normal gestation (pregnancy) is six months- No. You're going in circles.(Luqman 31:14; al-Baqarah 2:233; al-Ahqaf 46:15). Luqman 31:14 and al-Baqarah 2:233 provide a nursing period of 24 months. Al-Ahqaf 46:15 provides a total of 30 months for both gestation and nursing combined. This leaves only six months for the period of gestation .correct me if I am wrong but they need 10 sets of four weeks to give birth- Unless gestation period changed the past 14 centuries, it was still 9 months back then too. Unless you're suggesting Arabs then gave birth to newborn corpses, which I doubt, because their descendants are alive today. Or maybe, only the Prophet (pbuh) gave birth to 6 months old fetuses... You are either dumb as a rock or just insane!
very funny since your religion claims that women can give birth in 6 months , you're yet to point towards where max/maximum is mentioned in any of those verses as you claimed in your previous comment and it's 10 sets of four weeks or 40 weeks and not 6 months or 26.0715 weeks
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@Yassine
introducing a course challenging Secular Liberal Capitalism ?
do I even need to introduce that
an entire party exist in america which stands against Capitalism including the current american president
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@Wylted
1. Be respectful, ask questions to learn about the religions, but never to challenge any of them.
satire is the ultimate form of advertising , many people became fans and even joined christianity after watching movies about vampires or vampire hunters or even exorcism horror movies , I recall reading an article about people in china joining christianity after becoming fans of such movies while some -if not all- of those movies might be considered blasphemy to many Christians they did a very great job at promoting it
2. When we have our worship services, you are welcome to attend but you can not participate in online holy practices like confession or drinking the blood of christ.
I believe that I mentioned before, don't follow any religion that's ok with cannibalism, its a morality issue
Any ideals from Christians to make this section less welcoming to atheist ideals, is welcome.
as long as you think you can achieve that, then best of luck .
you can always block us , but then we will just keep making new accounts , I speak for myself here but I have nothing to lose .
atheists are welcome, because we want you to learn and avoid burning in hell.
do you think we're atheist because we lack knowledge about religion ?
most of the atheists are atheists because they know too much about religion
the road to atheism is filled with read holy books , the more you read the holy book , the more you know about that religion the more atheistic you'll become .
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what do you say about khadijah the first wife of muhammad she was a woman a businesswoman , she owned a caravan long before marrying muhammad or muhammad having his midlife crisis ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, cough I mean started his own religion
isn't this proof enough that women back then had rights at least far more then the claims of muhammad back then
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I see that've not read about Confucianism it came long before christianity and Islam and gave both women and men their rights and responsibilities , a very long time before both islam and christianity like about 551–479 BC
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if you ask me ,who the devil opposing god is , I would answer organized religion ,
they make assumptions about god , they talk about the creation of the world , they claim to know the answer to everything , their holy books are tiny and very small .
a doctor would need to study hundreds of books and can barely scratch the tip of the knowledge they need to know about the human body and how to cure it
an astrophysicist would spend a lifetime studying the universe and they wouldn't know 1 of 1000000000 about it
and yet their holy books claim to know everything ? with what vague verses that can be interpreted to support anything ?
imagine a scientist discovering something new and then they decide to write about it like god and write about it vaguely , their research will be thrown away , no one will accept it , everyone will think that they are fraud , it quite funny how our thoughts change when the target change from a person to a god ?
what better way to worship god then :
1. studying the world since it's literary god's creation
2.striving to be a good person (kindness)
you can have both without joining a religion
as a matter of facts religions are just factions used to make people look down on each other and feel self-righteous for doing something bad
let me give you an example :
-oh yea we killed those people , it's totally ok since they are ,,,,,,, apostates /blasphemers/heretics/infidels
-look at those people I can't believe that they are worshiping ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, are they idiots , if they had brains they wouldn't have worshiped ,,,,,,,,,,,
you can fill it with whatever god you don't believe in ,
it's funny how each religion can see what wrong with the other religions but can't see what's wrong with their own religion
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if their religion can't handle criticism they are not ready to face the world ,
I'd really hate to be shackled by islamophobia or Christianophobia or IDK maybe anti Semitism/anti Hinduism for attacking religion
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let me finish this with this last question for you to wonder about ,
I have yet to learn how does doing weird rituals benefits god ?
some copy the benefits of meditation and claim praying to god help since it's a form of meditation but then just meditate no need to involve god
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@RationalMadman
I take back my last statement about supporting Wylted , I totally cast my vote to RationalMadman and totally and wholeheartedly support him
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@Wylted
sorry rationalmadman , I can't bring myself into not criticizing religion , and if religion can't handle criticism then maybe they shouldn't get out from their small worship place and start preaching - at least until their faith is strong enough to bear the criticism -but it wouldn't have been called faith if it wasn't trusting something without any evidence .
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if you ask me ,who the devil opposing god is , I would answer organized religion ,
they make assumptions about god , they talk about the creation of the world , they claim to know the answer to everything , their holy books are tiny and very small .
a doctor would need to study hundreds of books and can barely scratch the tip of the knowledge they need to know about the human body
an astrophysicist would spend a lifetime studying the universe and they wouldn't know 1 of 1000000000 about it
and yet their holy books claim to know everything ? with what vague verses that can be interpreted to support anything ?
imagine a scientist discovering something new and then they decide to write about it like god and write about it vaguely , their research will be thrown away , no one will accept it , everyone will think that they are fraud , it quite funny how our thoughts change when the target change from a person to a god ?
what better way to worship god then :
1. studying the world since it's literary god's creation
2.striving to be a good person (kindness)
you can have both without joining a religion
as a matter of facts religions are just factions used to make people look down on each other and feel self-righteous for doing something bad
let me give you an example :
-oh yea we killed those people , it's totally ok since they are ,,,,,,, apostates /blasphemers/heretics
-look at those people I can't believe that they are worshiping ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, are they idiots , if they had brains they wouldn't have worshiped ,,,,,,,,,,,
you can fill it with whatever god you don't believe in ,
it's funny how each religion can see what wrong with the other religions but can't see what's wrong with their own religion
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if their religion can't handle criticism they are not ready to face the world ,
in order to keep my right to criticize religion-as I always did- I support Wylted ,
and in order not to be shackled by islamophobia or Christianophobia or IDK maybe anti Semitism for attacking religion
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let me finish this with this last question for you to wonder about ,
I have yet to learn how does doing weird rituals benefits god ?
some copy the benefits of meditation and claim praying to god help since it's a form of meditation but then just meditate no need to involve god
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What is the five monkeys experiment/Organizational Culture?
5 monkeys were placed in a cage as part of an experiment along with a ladder long enough to reach the bananas placed at the top.
Every time a monkey tried to climb the ladder, the experimenter sprayed all of the monkeys with icy water. Eventually, each time a newly placed monkey started to climb the ladder, the other ones pulled him off and beat him up so they could avoid the icy spray.
Every time a monkey tried to climb the ladder, the experimenter sprayed all of the monkeys with icy water. Eventually, each time a newly placed monkey started to climb the ladder, the other ones pulled him off and beat him up so they could avoid the icy spray.
this is what islam have done to the arabs every time someone critcise or satire islam , they get accused of blasphemy and they get put to death if not physically then socially and now using islamophobia and hating of islam they are trying to make everyone shut up .
islam have caused many problems in the world ironically most of them are plaguing muslims , and when anybody/anyone tries to address those problems they accuse them of islamophobia or hating muslims
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I dedicate this nice story to islam my second favorite religion
and always remember :
allah is gay , muhammad is gay , and islam will always support homosexuality .
all rights are reserved to the author , please enjoy :
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The prophet of islam mohammad died in at the end of his life and went to meet the one he waited for the most he waited his entire life to meet this person despire having wives, children, slaves, kingdom and even his friends who are willing to die for him mohammad left them with his most beloved , the one that favored him over all other , the divine being his creator and the creator of the world Allah
and so after his death his last maybe not exactly last , but the last wish in his mortal life was fulfilled
he know can look at his creator god , as the most faithfull one , the greatest believer and the last prophet that was sent to convert humans from the darkness and the abyss of disbelief that was weaven by the devil to lights of faith belief and the love god .
Despite getting poisoned by the Evil jews mohammad's soul was clean Since he is the one who believes in allah the most his soul slipped put of his body like the slipping of water as it fall from the leafs of trees driven by the cool brease of at a summer morning .
As the one that suffered the most for this religion , his divine self decided to grace him and show himself before himself before him , and grant him one single wish , besides allah have already granted him the highest level in heaven where there are things far byoned human imagination
and so a divine being materialized before him with all his majesty and greatness different from anyother that majesty and greatness was unlike that of any king or lord for wards themselves are incapaple of discribing the one true god and the creator of the univerese , only one word could discribe him divine as he slowly opened his eyes before his prophet ,his prophet would have died from witnessing the greatness of the divine one and the heaven would have been destroyed but he with all his majesty spoke and said that they shall bear and bear his greatness they shall
the vessel he materialised could bearly have part of his majesty and greatness something less than 10% but even with this much it was still too much for all the beings and the creations around him
and so he opened his mouth and spoke "oh mohammad you have served thy greatness well, and so thy greatness shall grant thee one thing that thee wish for the most, fear not for our word is the truth and thy have created everything so granting you a wish is nothing to thy, our treasery is never empty and our power is the that of creation"
hearing the voice of his creator mohammad was mesmerised and wished he could hear that voice for eternity for he couldn't bear for that voice to stop and couldn't stop his eyes from looking at the body of materialised by his creator
mohammad thought if this is just a materialised vessel then what would happen if he saw the true body of his creator, his mind was blown and he could bearly think of how he actually looks , it was far byoned anything he could think about .
And so mohammad opened his mouth and asked
"oh allah the divine one , the greatest I want you but not a vessel but the real you "
mohammad smiled happly after saying that , now that he mentioned his wish which he kept deeply within himself , he have waited for so long , he beared a lot of suffering , even his wives he took them just because allah wanted him to teach muslims about which women are they allowed to marry under the orders of allah , if allah didn't forbid him from marrying since that would cause the believers to follow his example and not marry and die single he wouldn't have even married or touched those filthy women for when they are placed next to allah the divine being , the creater and the maker of everything , they are but mere dirt .
Allah spoke divinely "oh mohammad thy have heard your plea , and your plea shall be granted"
and right after the divine one spoke those word mohammad found himself souronded by light from everyside and he was completely naked he could feel the light which filled with divity fill his body and it's suroundings , before he heared a voice that is far more divine than anything else a voice that can take your soul yet it was very manly one could get lost in that voice for thousands if not billions of years
"thy shall enter you now "
and so a part of the light turned into a donger but it was a divine one made of light it was also bigger than that of a donkey and it started moving towards mohammad's mouth unlike before he didn't feel repulsed by the divine donger like he felt towards the people around him and even his own women maybe , but comparing the creation to the creator is not exactly fair , since the creator trumps his creation in eveerything and so mohammad while smiling happily opened his mouth welcoming the divine donger .
The divine donger moved slowly towards mohammad's face even it's tip was big enough to fill his entire mouth it moved slowly filling mohammad's mouth and even blocking him from breathing
mohammad nearly suficated but he heared the divine being talking which made him forget about breathing completely if it wasn't a divine word
"thy shall remind you to breath through your nose".
mohammad was lost in the voice of the divine that if it wasn't the word of the divine he wouldn't have breathed
Mohammad could see the light moving towards his face before retreting time after another
after a very long time that to mohammad felt like a single moment but in reality billions of years have passed the divine donger began twitching and mohammad heard the divine voice telling him
"thy is about to cum"
it's well known that in heaven jannah people need no sustinence like food , drink or going to bath and people wouldn't age , die or suffer
mohammad prepared himself and yet the shear amount that came from the divine donger filled his stomach until it bulged the cum was very thick and divine it came out from his mouth and his nose
mohammad looked like a pergnant woman with his stomach bulging , and yet he was extremely happy since he could feel himself connected to allah despite cumming the divine donger remained standing strong soon he could feel a divine force bending his back moving with it he could feel another divine donger began pressing against his backhole , this divine donger was indeed the same one in his mouth so mohammad spoke
"oh divine one , the greatest and the creator of the world how can you be in two places"
and so the divine one replied
"oh mohammad fear not for thy is everywhere and in everything , and worry not for thy for thy shall sutasfy you well"
mohammad felling the divine donger penterating his ass slowly couldn't help but moan from pleasure , he couldn't be happier since now his connection with his maker is getting stronger
mohammad's dick would stand with pleasure each time the divine donger would enter his backhole before it would move downas the donger get's out heaving mohamad's insides hollow and pulsing with pleasue, suddenly a divine hand of light came from the light amd moved toward's mohammad's dick .
The divine hand would move in rithm along with the divine donger sending waves upon waves of pleasure filling the body of mohammad , as for mohammad his body is just floating limb in the air from the shear amoun of divine pleasure while his multiple holes are being filled with the divine allah's cum soon instead of one in the back and one in the front they became two in the back and two in the front and then 3 and 4 ...
by the time it ended mohammad had been filled with divine cum that's enough to fill the universe and yet mohammad with a meloncolic voice said "it already finished ?"
as if he's unaware that 10 times the time of our universe from it's start to it's end have already passed while he enjoyed connecting with the all knowing all seeing supreme being and creator of the universe .
Mohammad wished he would be connected with his divine being for eternity so that he would enjoy the love
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@Yassine
1.I'm pretty sure that you're aware that homosexuality is punished by the death penalty in islam
if you deny that then please tell me that allah didn't punish the people of lut/lot for homosexuality and why were they punished ? in the story mentioned in the quran ?
2.Liberal Capitalism WTF is that , feel free to name any Capitalist/liberalist you want and I'll write an entire novel of satire about them
you know what, I'll write a novel where Liberalism/Capitalism raping them in the @55/having an@l s*x with them and I'll share it on the internet
give me the name of any Liberal Capitalist and I'll write you a trilogy of gay erotica , I'll include even bestiality , if you commission me too I'll pay an artist to draw some illustrations and include them in the book too
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would you bear it if I did the same to your prophet and god ,?
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Verse (18:86) quran
Pickthall: Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu'l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness.
Yusuf Ali: Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."
Shakir: Until when he reached the place where the sun set, he found it going down into a black sea, and found by it a people. We said: O Zulqarnain! either give them a chastisement or do them a benefit.
Muhammad Sarwar: to the West where he found the sun setting into a warm source (spring) of water and a people living near by. We asked him, "Dhu 'l-Qarnayn, you may punish them or treat them with kindness?"
Mohsin Khan: Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water. And he found near it a people. We (Allah) said (by inspiration): "O Dhul-Qarnain! Either you punish them, or treat them with kindness."
Arberry: until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and he found nearby a people. We said, 'O Dhool Karnain, either thou shalt chastise them, or thou shalt take towards them a way of kindness.
Yusuf Ali: Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."
Shakir: Until when he reached the place where the sun set, he found it going down into a black sea, and found by it a people. We said: O Zulqarnain! either give them a chastisement or do them a benefit.
Muhammad Sarwar: to the West where he found the sun setting into a warm source (spring) of water and a people living near by. We asked him, "Dhu 'l-Qarnayn, you may punish them or treat them with kindness?"
Mohsin Khan: Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water. And he found near it a people. We (Allah) said (by inspiration): "O Dhul-Qarnain! Either you punish them, or treat them with kindness."
Arberry: until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and he found nearby a people. We said, 'O Dhool Karnain, either thou shalt chastise them, or thou shalt take towards them a way of kindness.
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Verse (13:15) quran
Pickthall: Till, when he reached the rising-place of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had appointed no shelter therefrom.
Yusuf Ali: Until, when he came to the rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had provided no covering protection against the sun.
Shakir: Until when he reached the land of the rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people to whom We had given no shelter from It;
Muhammad Sarwar: to the East where he found the sun rising upon a people whom We had exposed to its rays.
Mohsin Khan: Until, when he came to the rising place of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We (Allah) had provided no shelter against the sun.
Arberry: until, when he reached the rising of the sun, he found it rising upon a people for whom We had not appointed any veil to shade them from it.
Yusuf Ali: Until, when he came to the rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had provided no covering protection against the sun.
Shakir: Until when he reached the land of the rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people to whom We had given no shelter from It;
Muhammad Sarwar: to the East where he found the sun rising upon a people whom We had exposed to its rays.
Mohsin Khan: Until, when he came to the rising place of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We (Allah) had provided no shelter against the sun.
Arberry: until, when he reached the rising of the sun, he found it rising upon a people for whom We had not appointed any veil to shade them from it.
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quran Verse (18:90)
Pickthall: Till, when he reached the rising-place of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had appointed no shelter therefrom.
Yusuf Ali: Until, when he came to the rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had provided no covering protection against the sun.
Shakir: Until when he reached the land of the rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people to whom We had given no shelter from It;
Muhammad Sarwar: to the East where he found the sun rising upon a people whom We had exposed to its rays.
Mohsin Khan: Until, when he came to the rising place of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We (Allah) had provided no shelter against the sun.
Arberry: until, when he reached the rising of the sun, he found it rising upon a people for whom We had not appointed any veil to shade them from it.
Yusuf Ali: Until, when he came to the rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had provided no covering protection against the sun.
Shakir: Until when he reached the land of the rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people to whom We had given no shelter from It;
Muhammad Sarwar: to the East where he found the sun rising upon a people whom We had exposed to its rays.
Mohsin Khan: Until, when he came to the rising place of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We (Allah) had provided no shelter against the sun.
Arberry: until, when he reached the rising of the sun, he found it rising upon a people for whom We had not appointed any veil to shade them from it.
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@Yassine
1. muhammad was a child rapist :- Nonsense. Marriage =/= Rape. Aisha was not a child. Someone (Jubair) came to propose to her parents, her father Abu Bakr -then bestfriend to Muhammed (pbuh) since childhood- sought another. The Prophet (pbuh) learns of this so he proposes instead, & the betrothal is set. When Aisha comes of age, she is informed & is quite pleased. Thereafter, the wedding is organized, the Prophet (pbuh) builds her a home -albeit modest, & gives her her dower to finalize the marriage (a little over $5k in today's money). Where is the rape? Seriously, what is wrong with you!!!
yet fatima his daughter was too young for his friend abu baker to marry despite being older than aisha ?
he also had no children with her , -note that muhammad had children with all of his wives other than 2 , one was too old to bear any while the other aisha too young to bear any , most of them died -
2. he lusted after his adopted son's wife -zinab bit jahsh- , Qur'an 33:37- Stop spreading lies. No such thing! Zaynab grew up with the Prophet (pbuh) in the same house. What "lust"?! He (pbuh) was the one to marry her off to Zayd in the first place. The two just happen to have marital issues, to the point where Zayd would complain to the Prophet (pbuh) about his wife (Zaynab) & the latter would enjoin him to keep her. Eventually they divorce. Then later the Prophet (pbuh) sends Zayd to propose to her on his behalf, to which she agrees. She was a +40 year old divorced woman! I know in your culture you can't handle honest chaste marriages, it's all about sex & promiscuity. Keep it to yourself. Icky!
it's mentioned in the quran just read the verse
3. he was a male gold digger -used the money from his first wife after her death to marry 12 more and built his own theocracy -(she was his sugar mummy) NOTHING can say I love you more than using all your money to marry 12 more woman after you especially that muhammad didn't dare to marry any other wife back when she was alive.- This bit is more funny than anything. Who is telling you these fantastic lies?! What money?! First, with the onset of the Prophet's (pbuh) mission, the Quraysh tribes cut all commercial ties with him. There was no money. Second, shortly before Khadija's death, the Prophet (pbuh) & his clan & supporters were under a 3-year blockade, with no access to commodities or food. They ate dried grass & bugs to survive, while many died. Third, of course he needed to marry again, for companionship & someone to take care of his children. The next woman he married (Sawda) was 30 years older than he was! With the exception of Aisha, all the others were divorcees or widows -some older than he was, who advanced tribal alliances or lost their husbands in war. He (pbuh) lived in a square mud hut 10 feet wide for the rest of his life. It's where he is buried now.- Instead of projecting your sick mind into everything that moves, maybe you should actually do the effort & read the Prophet (pbuh)'s biography. Get a prayer mat & beads beforehand though for future imminent use.
his first wife was hell rich and why didn't he built a harem back then ? while he is with her ? because she was his sugar mama , she was 40 back when you people are claiming that it's ok to marry a 9 years old kid you sickos
4. he was incestuous - his adopted son's wife was also his own cousin "zinab bit jahsh "-- Probably most your ancestors married their cousins. This cousin-phobia thing is a very recent European invention.
is this a new thing ? where incest is invented ?
6. encouraged child marriage :Narrated Jabir bin `Abdullah:....- Damn! You really do have a sick mind! The Prophet (pbuh) recommended Jabir, a 19 years old young man, to marry a maiden instead of a divorcee or a widow, & somehow your lewd mind found a way to twist this?! Keep them coming. By the way, he (pbuh) suggested to buy that camel from Jabir, he gave him the money then the camel with it, to support his marriage. Later he went to Jabir's house, planted trees to help with his expenses, for he had many little sisters after they lost their father. Another time, he set up baskets of dates at Jabir's house to pay off hi debt. That's our beloved Prophet (pbuh).
just read the text dude
7.anyone that insult islam/ muhammad must die :A blind man had a slave-mother who used to abuse -insult- the Prophet (ﷺ) and disparage -insult- him. He forbade her but she did not stop. He rebuked her but....- Let's see... thousands of people from Quraysh not just insulted him, but they also tortured him & his companions, blockaded him, took his property & his followers', expelled them or imprisoned them or killed them, attacked him in his refuge multiple times, besieged him there to the brink of annihilation, attempt to assassinate him many times... etc. I wonder what happened to them...? He forgave all of them. The accounts of him forgiving the people who insulted or hurt him are countless; to mention a few: Ibn Aswad, the man who attempted to kill his pregnant daughter (she survived but miscarried her baby) – Utbah, he broke the Prophet's (pbuh) jaw & skull, yet he (pbuh) prayed for him & forgave him – Safwan, insulted him, helped throw shit on him & spit on him, even attempted to assassinate him, yet he forgave him... etc.- As for the story you mentioned. The issue is simple, in contrast to Western Law where inviolability does not extend to foreigners outside borders. In Sharia, inviolability extends to all who are under covenant with Muslims. The inviolability is lifted the moment the covenant is broken. Take for example, the Americans killed a million Iraqis (& some other 19 million elsewhere). Since Iraqis (or else) are inviolable under American Law, these killers are not subject to penalty in an American court. Not because these Iraqis did anything wrong, rather it's only because they are not American. Sharia, thus a far superior alternative, does, however, grant such inviolability, even to foreigners, unless otherwise violable (due to hostility). The Jew slave you mentioned was under covenant with Muslims, & included in that covenant was the stipulation of non-hostility. She broke it, thus she was no longer inviolable, thus deemed from the enemy camp. Conversely, another Jew (Ibn Sanaa) insulted the Prophet (pbuh) & even chocked him, yet he was not punished. Why? Because he did not initiate the hostility (he came asking for his stuff, though very rudely) thus preserving his inviolability.
you're forgetting to mention a very important part here , they were his direct relatives , he also wouldn't want to distribute the females of his own clan and direct relatives as s*x toys,,,,,, cough right hand possessions for his followers now would he ?
and this is why muslims kill anyone that insult islam or muhammad- You seem pretty alive & well, same as the other 2 billion Christians doing what you're doing...
only because I'm anonymous
letting the murderer of a woman go since she deserves to die for the crime of insulting muhammad- How about those 20 million for insulting USA? Actually not even. For simply being non-American!
would love to hear when did anyone was ever killed for insulting america
you should argue about this with christians , I'm not a christian I'm agnostic- In that case, you have no moral standard to speak from. That explains the sick mentality.
my morality stems from my belief that god do exist it's just not the god/gods from organized religion and unlike you my morality comes from wanting to be a good person and not from fear of hell or whatever
1.how far they are willing to go to prevent people from offering any criticism or satire towards islam- I read somewhere you have some 200k channels & 4000 anti-Islamic organizations & billions of USDs to that effect... You been doing this for 1200 years, give it a rest, it's unhealthy. I don't see Muslims so devoted & dedicated to criticize Christianity!!!
how many people died for no other crime than criticizing/satire islam ?
2.how willing they are to force reinterpretations and alter the meaning of words in their books just to forcefully include scientific discoveries , I learned arabic since I was young along with other languages and I know that all the scientific nonsense you claim mentioned in the holy Quran is just misinterpreted words- Since you have all that confidence about the topic, why not a debate?
why not the issue is in the language we shall debate in arabic
one example wasaa- Bruh! You are saying nonsense, you know Arabic my foot. I happen to be Arab, oops! Just type the word ('Musi'") in Google Translate, you should get: "expanded", "widened", "stretched"...
this is annoying I'm talking about the importance of "الحركات " in the meaning of arabic words
them into terrorists -including :- The greatest terrorist is the US government, they literally killed 1000 times more people than ISIS & the others combined. But you don't care because these victims, for they are not westerner. An American's life to you is worth 1000 Iraqi's. Keep you moral abyss to yourself. Very distasteful.
we are not discussing about the USA nor are we discussing conspiracy theories
1. don't fear death- Is that a bad thing...?2. defend allah and muhammad with your own lives- Better than invading nations, laying waste to countries & massacring peoples, to protect the USD.3. 72 vergins in the afterlife- Fake news. You can't be this stereotypical! I'm gunna start to think you're dumb or something.4.you must love muhammad more than yourself, your money , your parents , your wife and children otherwise you will not enter heaven- To a materialist person like you who loves money & sex, I'm sure this will fly right over your head.5. the quran is the answer to everything and the quran can never be wrong- I'm not sure about the first half, the Quran is a book of guidance. You will not find your exam's notes there. Just prove the Quran wrong & save the Muslims from it, how about it?13 have the death penalty for homosexuality in their laws .- Homosexual rape*.5 have indefinite imprisonment for homos.- Just like you did a couple of decades ago, & still do for other love practices, such as incest, polygamy, zoophilia, pedophilia...islam have the death penalty for homosexuality and mentioned the story of the people of lut/lot where allah punish those people for their sexual orientation mentioned in the holy quran- Where is it mentioned? No such thing.
would love it if you could provide evidence supporting those claims especially the one about that no death penalty for homosexuality
how about the story of lot/lut the holy quran ?
hadith :
"Whoever you find doing as the people of Lot did (i.e. homosexuality), kill the one who does it and the one to whom it is done, and if you find anyone having sexual intercourse with animal, kill him and kill the animal." Related by Ahmad and the four Imams with a trustworthy chain of narrators.
hasan
Sunnah.com reference: Hudud, Book 10, Hadith 12
English translation: Book 10, Hadith 1255
Arabic reference: Book 10, Hadith 1216
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why did allah punished the people of lot/lut , I would love to hear that it wasn't for their homosexuality and why ?
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@RationalMadman
If you hate all Muslims because of the bad ones then hating all men because some are rapists is ok too.
did anybody mentioned hating muslims anywhere ?
Some who came to know my attitude to the religion now and again berate me about it even implying I'm racist to arabs.I calmly ask them, each time they bring it up, to read the Hadith (first because it makes some things clearer, faster) and then the Qur'an and then to research victims of Sharia regimes, preferably female ones (plenty of such books have been written, non-fictional). It's funny how silent they go when they realise I talk from the position of less ignorance and more open-mindedness. They are quick to change the topic fast especially as they know I'm not a right-wing bigot so no such character assassination will work on me.When they admit their complete ignorance, I then ask them who is the bigger racist; the one who empathises with ethnicities that are victims of a religion that blackmails them to stay part of it and under its ruthless thumb or the one that supports the idea that the race of the ethnicity can't escape the scarring on its culture done by its horrific creed?
islam is an evil cult , muslims are just victims of this evil cult, it's teachings and Ideologies , sharea law is the law that caused the destruction of many muslim countries .
you know the experiment on the monkeys ? where a group of monkeys are placed in a cage with bananas placed high up and ladder , every time a monkey tries to grab a banana using the ladder the monkeys are showered with cold water after a while when you add a new monkey and it tries to use the ladder to grab a banana the other monkeys will beat him .
it's exactly the same .
they have done it to the arabs and now they are trying to apply this to the west with Islamophobia
but I would like to say Islam have a fear of everything that's not islam
look you just mentioned how reading the hadith and quran should make one realize how bad islam is but they are accusing you of being an racist
if christianity had half the shit mentioned in islam those people wouldn't shut the f*** up about how evil christianity is
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" if they had gotten rid of apostasy punishment in islam no muslim would exist today " shiekh yusuf al qaradawi
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