Lunar108

Let us begin with one of my favorite  :

1."The quran provides that the length of a normal gestation (pregnancy) is six months (Luqman 31:14; al-Baqarah 2:233; al-Ahqaf 46:15). Luqman 31:14 and al-Baqarah 2:233 provide a nursing period of 24 months. Al-Ahqaf 46:15 provides a total of 30 months for both gestation and nursing combined. This leaves only six months for the period of gestation. We know that this is not true. Normal gestation lasts nine months.

- What is this?! Who even comes up with this cosmic dumb sh*t! Like the Arabs back then did not know normal gestation is 9 months?! The verses are referring a Hukm (ruling), not a medical advice! The point is, 30 months is the max recognized duration for pregnancy & nursing, & 24 months is the maximum allowable duration of nursing; for cases such as alimony, child-care, divorce, penalties...etc.

Tafsir At-Tabari

At-Tabari mentions several interpretations. One of them is this:

هو الحوت الذي عليه الأرَضُون

It is a whale (الحوت), which on it the Earths.

<Nun> - the whale (الحوت), which is under the Earth the seventh.

Tafsir Al-Qurtubi on 68:1 [9]

From his use of the word "tahat" or "under" it can be surmised that in Al-Qurtubi's cosmology the earth is seen as flat.

ِTafsir Al-Kabir (by Ar-Razi)

بالحوت الذي على ظهره الأرض وهو في بحر تحت الأرض السفلى

..with the whale (بالحوت) which over its back is the Earth and it is in the sea under the Earth (الأرض) the lowest.

Tafsir Al-Kabir on 68:1[10]

Al-Kabir here repeates the idea that there are multiple flat earths balanced on the back of the whale.

ِTafsir Fath Al-Qadir (by Shawkani)

This tafsir is from the 18th century and it mentions several interpretations. One of them is the idea that the world is carried on the back of a whale:

هو الحوت الذي يحمل الأرض

It is a whale which carries the Earth.

- You do realize that these scholars are quoting Jewish traditions here right...? Especially Tabari, he references more than 350 Biblical & Jewish tradition in his commentary. It's called higher criticism. That does not mean he promotes those beliefs or adheres to them himself!

- What you're implying here is a bunch of drivel. Muslims have always known about the roundness of the Earth, as mentioned in the Quran & the Hadith. Also, by the consensus of Muslim scholars, reported by Ibn Munadi from the 9th century, or Ibn Hazm from the 11th century, or Fakhr Razi from the 12th century & many others... In fact, Muslims have attempted quite accurate measurements of the Earth & its distance from the Moon as early as the 8th century. For instance, al-Marwazi, who lived a century before Tabari, estimated the Earth's diameter at 6.5k miles (7.9 miles actual), the Moon's diameter at 1.9k miles (2.1 miles actual), the distance Earth-Moon at 215k miles (225k miles actual), & even estimate the sun to be 170 times larger than the Earth...

There is thus attestation of Nun the whale in both the Sunni and Shi'ite tradition.

- You mean to say "in both the Jewish & Shite tradition"... 

 

hadith :

a).Abu Dharr said: I was sitting behind the Apostle of Allah who was riding a donkey while the sun was setting. He asked: Do you know where this sets? I replied: Allah and his Apostle know best. He said: It sets in a spring of warm water. - Sunan Abu Dawud 3991

b).The Prophet (ﷺ) asked me at sunset, "Do you know where the sun goes (at the time of sunset)?" "And the sun Runs its fixed course For a term (decreed). that is The Decree of (Allah) The Exalted in Might, The All- Knowing." (36.38) sahih bukhari

- Cognitive dissonance much friend? You just refuted yourself. You mention two different accounts of the same exact incident, one reported by al-Bukhari (& also the other 6 canonical collections), & the other a weak narration in Sunan Abu Dawud. They can't both be true, one must therefore necessarily be false. Evidently the first account is false, for it is simply an aberration from all the other accounts. The narrator must have mistaken "the sun appeared to him to be setting in a warm spring" with "the sun travels its fixed course"... The first account is false.

- That said, the Prophet (pbuh) telling the companion that the sun goes to prostrate to Allah is very obviously metaphorical! That's also a verse in the Quran "And to Allah prostrates whoever is within the heavens and the earth" (13:15). The Heavens & the Earth do not literally prostrate to Allah... it's a metaphor for the absolute dominion of God. Also in the Quran, the sun travels in its orbit: "And it is He who created the night and the day and the sun and the moon; all [heavenly bodies] in an orbit are swimming." (21:33).

quran 18:86

the sun sets in muddy water spring 

- You're going too far with your mistranslations. Literally every thing you cite is grossly mistranslated & distorted. What are you trying to prove? That you're dishonest?! Where does it say the sun sets in muddy waters??  – The verse, speaking of Dhul-Qarnayn journey says: "So he travelled a course, Until, when he reached the setting of the sun [i.e., the west], *he* found it [as if] setting in a body of dark water". It is describing the scene witnessed by the king at that moment, a sunset at the end of his journey to the west, at a lake/sea which is dark or murky (often interpreted as the Caspian Sea for its large oil contaminations). 

Quran 18:90:Until, when he came to the rising-place of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had not made against it any shield. 

- Again with the terrible translations... 'Matla Shams' literally means Sunrise or East. You're trying too hard & not succeeding much. Is that all?!

- The great irony here, you don't stop talking about how Muslims "misinterpret" the words to fit a narrative, yet that's what you're doing in full force, on top of gross mistranslations & stretched distortions.

 there's the point that the universe is going from high energy to low energy as if it's a clock that got set (how does something happen once within all eternity and never happen again, what does that even mean?)... there's no good alternative hypothesis that has good evidence for it, just speculation. 

Matthew 24:29  “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

 probabilistic evaluation

 probabilistic evaluation

provide evidence , show me where did the quran or any hadith from sahih bukhari or muslim prohibiting slavery ?

- What the Quran & the Hadith enjoin is Riqq, not chattel slavery. Raqeed, "slave" in the Sharia sense, has nothing to do a slave in the western sense. While Black slaves in plantations were being treated as cattle in 19th century US, their counterparts in the Ottoman Empire were being selected for next Grand Vizier (prime minister) or admiral or officer. Do you understand the difference? In fact, the standing of a slave in Islam is better -legally & historically- than many types of laborers in the West.

 

I recall the story of muhammad freeing bilal a black man since he was a muslim , yet he didn't free the other slaves under Umayyah ibn Khalaf

- He did not free him for being Muslim, he freed him for being tortured to death... 

he is sending a message 

1 muslim slave = 2 non-muslim slaves

- I know you'd rather he left the slave to die under torture. Stick to your moral abyss.

do you think everybody else is an idiot ?

- Just you.

a religious leader comes to you after the battle and tells you to pick whichever slave girl you want , and you claim that he is doing that to let him pick one slave girl to protect her ?

- POW, by Sharia, are to be released is by grace or ransom: "bind captives [of war] firmly, then release them later either by grace or by ransom –until the toils of war have ended." (47:4). The Prophet (pbuh) has also exercised a third option: turning POW to bondage -based on the principle of reciprocity (i.e. if the enemy takes Muslim POW as slaves, Muslims reciprocate). However, this reciprocation only extends in name; in practice Muslims must treat slaves effectively as family -with all rights that entails (i.e. take them in & guarantee financial & social security for them, as they would their children). POW who convert to Islam before bondage are automatically free. Those among the POW who do not wish to stay in bondage must seek Mukataba (contract of emancipation): "If any of your slaves wish to pay for their freedom, make a contract with them accordingly" (24:33), upon signing such contract the slave becomes a mukatab -a freedom- until they fulfill their installments (or ransom themselves). In effect, Islamic bondage is release from internment into social guardianship.

- Let's compare this with your Western practices towards POW, there isn't much to show for. Sharia allows POW only in legitimate warfare (Just War, i.e. defensive warfare); Western system couldn't care less (all their warfare is seldom non-offensive). Sharia grants essential rights to POW in grace, ransom or guardianship; the Western system grants none, except by way of extra-national conventions mostly used to compel other nations into submission. Sharia offers on hand freedom from internment (prison) by way of repatriation (grace or ransom) or integration (into Muslim families) or even emancipation (by contract or conversion); Western system offers none, POW are perpetually at the mercy of their captors in confinement or torture. This can only make sense in a defensive warfare -where it's in the state's interest to keep enemy's POW in confinement for self-preservation, which is contrary to Western practices. Sharia, in contrast, shows mercy even to the POW enemy who came with the intent to massacre your people & pillage your wealth. That is the greatness of Islam & out beloved Prophet (pbuh).

provide evidence , you've yet to list where does your stories come from ? you've mentioned your claims but forgot to place your sources feel free to check mine though

- Bruh, are you insane?! You bring up a story, cut it from its context, then ask me for sources?! Either, you're disingenuous you don't want admit it, or ignorant. If you're ignorant, then why are you spreading all these lies? Regardless: "One hundred families of Banu al-Mustaliq were set free".

I would love to see the evidence supporting this claim , I am myself invested against christianity as much as I am against islam  you know what I hate the most? claims that lack any supportive evidence  , those are dismissed as nonsense 

- Dude, aren't you embarrassed enough? It's like I'm telling someone about the centuries of European colonialism of the Americas, & they boastfully ask for evidence?! Have you ever opened a History book? Maybe an article?

at the time of certain islamic Caliphate muslims faced a very big problem

due to the jihad in Africa the number of black slaves was very high

making their market value very low , you could buy two black slaves for the meat of 1 chicken .

- & 10 Black slaves for a unicorn... You have a wild imagination, fueled by your hate of course... There was no slavery in Islamic Caliphate! We just concede calling it that because of convention. There is nothing in common between Western chattel slavery & Islamic slave except the name.  The worst slave status in Islam (Qin) was far better than the best serf in Europe, in terms of rights & social standing & opportunity. They had the right to own property, marry, practice their own faith, & participate in all aspects of social & political life, as long as they fulfill their duties to their masters, wether be it at home or plantation or factory or regiment or elsewhere -unlike serfs & peasants, who had no such opportunities. Historically, some Qins even rose to the highest level of government, such as Abu Misk Kafur as a ruler of Egypt in the 10th century, or Mudhafar Qutuz, the mighty conqueror & founder of the Mamluk dynasty. The former, a Black slave from Nubia, & the latter a Circassian slave from the Caucasus. Qins also constituted the small minority of slaves in the Muslim world, the majority were Mawali. The other types of slaves (namely: Mudabbar, Mukatab, Um-Walad, & Mawla) could not be sold or bought, & were essential freeman, except in allegiance & indemnity to the master. In case you did not know, 3 fo the 4 rulings factions in the Ottoman Empire were made up of slaves. The Court (Divan) led by the Grand Vizier (generally a slave), the Harem led by the Sultanah (generally a slave), & the Military (Janissaries) led by slave generals.

so the caliphate gathered his advisors and asked them about what he should do , and one of them had the answer .

"let us sell them to Europe"

- Cute story. I have a better one. It's called History. Most slaves taken by Muslims were either Whites or Turks. Black slaves were rarely a thing, for a good reason. The only source of slaves in Islam is POWs (prisoners of war); since much of Black Africa joined the faith through trade & preaching (by Sufis), there was little chance to acquire such slaves. That said, some important Black slave communities in the MENA region (Middle East North Africa) were: the Ikhshidi slaves from Nubia (from early conquests into Abyssinia) – among them the famous ruler of Egypt Abu Misk Kafus who ruled Egypt during the 10th century (YES, he was a Black slave) – The Bukhari slaves (from the conquest of Saadi dynasty of the Songhai empire & later), they constituted the noble class in Morrocan Alawi dynasty under the Sultan, & the officers of the Royal Guards (they still do) – The Black eunuchs of Arabia who generally managed the holy mosques.... etc.

the entire race of black people was introduced to Europe as slaves thanks to islam

#there were no crusades in africa#

- Except the centuries of crusades by Europeans in Africa, which led to 25 millions African deaths. You can't possibly be this ignorant

muhammad/islam was totally ok with slavery as long as the slave is not a muslim .

- Drivel! Most slaves in Islamic history were Muslim!!! Slavery, as in chattel slavery, is categorically prohibited in Sharia. What we call slavery in Sharia is analogous to indefinite contract in Western Law.

muhammad did free a black slave because he was a muslim , he didn't care about the other slaves when he freed the muslim slave

- The Prophet (pbuh) freed over 60 slaves, of all faiths & races, with the little money that he had. His companions freed hundreds of thousands. Abd-Rahman Ibn Awf, becoming a rich merchant during the early Islamic conquests, is known to have freed over 30,000 slaves.

Nafi' (RAA) narrated, ‘The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) made an attack on Bani al-Mustaliq when they were unaware. He killed the men who were lighting and took the women and children as captives.

- Yet another story that shows the mercy of our beloved Prophet (pbuh). Where do you even get this stuff?! You try very hard to take stories out of any context, obviously to support your hateful narrative. Bani Mustaliq were literally in their military camp which they set up to invade the Muslims in Medina, before the Prophet (pbuh) intercepted them & caught them off guard. They quickly lost the battle, hence they became POWs, which then Muhammed (pbuh) pardoned & released shortly after. That is our beloved Prophet (pbuh), a prophet of compassion & forgiveness.

The Prophet (ﷺ) bought a slave for two slaves.

- He saved a Muslim slave who was being tortured by offering his master two... Yes. The compassion! The horror! 

....Prophet (ﷺ) saw her, he said to Dihya, 'Take any slave girl other than her from the captives.' ...

- I know you can't handle the justice & compassion shown by Islam to POWs, because in your moral system POWs deserve to rot in prison & be tortured & raped in there instead. Even for an agnostic, this is some pretty dark moral abyss.

- For those who don't know the background. Safyah's father, Huyay, was a staunch enemy to the Prophet (pbuh). He belonged to Bun Nadir, a Jewish tribe in Medina which was under covenant with Muslims. Unlike his brother who converted to Islam, Huyay chose rebellion. Thus, he set up an assassination attempt against the beloved Prophet (pbuh) in Medina, for which he was expelled from the city. Normally, he would have been executed for High Treason, but he had too many supporters from his tribe, it would've created an uproar. Huyay then goes to Khaybar, then rallies up an anti-Muslim coalition made up of Quraysh, Hawazin & many other tribes, called Ahzab (leagues). They siege the Muslims for weeks, which fails. The beloved Prophet (pbuh) could not retaliate against Khaybar, for if he marches to the North to meet them, the Quraysh would attack Medina from the South. So he makes a truce with Quraysh first, then moves towards Khaybar in the North. The Muslims win the battle, they take POWs & deal with them according to Sharia. POWs in Islam are to be integrated back into Muslim society if ransom or exchange could not be met. To that effect, the Prophet (pbuh) took our beloved mother Safyah, she asked for freedom, he proposed marriage, to which she agreed. & the rest is as they say history.

• Gideon/Saul (Tālūt)
  
• Saul, David and Goliath (Tālūt, Dāwūd and Jalut)
  
• The Queen of Sheba
  
• Jonah (Yūnus) and the big fish
  
• Haman
  

• Zechariah (Zakariya) and John (Yahya)
  
• Mary (Maryam)
  
• Jesus (ʿIsa, Yeshuaʿ)
  
• Moses (Mosa)
  
• Abraham (ibraham)
  
• Lot (Lut)
  
• AntiChrist
  
• Adam and Eve
  
• Noah the ark and the flood
  

the fear of, hatred of, or prejudice against that

fear of, hatred of, or prejudice against that

Islamophobia is the fear of, hatred of, or prejudice against the religion of Islam or Muslims in general.  I'd argue that there is no "right use" for bigotry.  Generalizations on such a scale rapidly multiply inaccuracies.

 irreverence, derision, contempt, no value, nihilism 

 irreverence, derision, contempt, no value, nihilism