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@keithprosser
not at all, im more intrested in the science, technology and moral implications.
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@keithprosser
the psalms puts it better "In his right hand are pleasures evermore"
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@Goldtop
yep and it only comes through having the holy spirit, which requires subjection to God.
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@Stephen
this attempt to undermine me because you don't understand "Being" in the spiritual context is laughable.
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@Stronn
neither is your disproof.
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@Speedrace
Challenge their hearts, they will reveal themselves when asked the truth. How often do you compare yourself to others? Why do people lie? what are people looking for in life? Is love more than emotion? What is truth? Is anything absolute? is cooking food better than preparing and serving food? Where can peace be found? What is peace? etc
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@mustardness
prophecy is of the lord regardless of intention or desire,
Prophecy is state of mind or consciousness etc.
You words continually and repeatedly are of no significant relevance to humans reality on Earth. I believe you know this truth but choose to act irrationally and illogical for personal reasons going back to your childhood that none of us will have ever have the whole story to analyze.
there have been many people who have died according to the word of prophecy, would you argue the one who prophecied wanted them to die?
Ditto my above to pretty much anything you have to say. Your words meaningless ergo not worth the price of the pixels use to present them.
then you have failed, if you have already rejected a voice simply because its not what you agree with, then you have undermined your own experience through your stubbornness. your problem is not with me, its with God and he sees you as you are. There isn't much time left, repent while you are still able.
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@Stronn
Logic its self is only determined by our own belief in observation, This world we think we know is but a piece of the invisible made manifest, there are realms that only the spirit can touch, as humanity comes closer to understanding, by then it will be too late, the darkness will seize this world and the very God that is mocked, misunderstood and denied will be our only salvation.
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@disgusted
I do have the answer and it is answer not answers. Jesus. He can heal if you willing to believe and obey.
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none of you can disprove a God, none of you know if you are going to heaven or hell, because you cannot forsee the events of the future. So, that being stated, why do you insist on fighting a God thats doing everything he can to keep you and help you? You don't understand that the sinful nature you are in right now? can be a thousand times worse, there have been people who started out loving and caring and life went by and they kill others without remorse, this is a restraining grace of God that we aren't all murderers, its the prevailing grace of God that you have life this day.
With that, i am done arguing, unless you can disproof fatalism or prove God doesn't exist, the burden is now on each of you to reject or accept God as you don't know your destiny.
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@oromagi
I like Q, His revealing of an omnipotent character is quite funny!
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@Stephen
Only if you accept it and repent of your sins.But my sins have all be paid for and wiped away "with the blood of the Christ" , have they not?
Mark 23: 39 - 4339 And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us.40 But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?41 And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.You see, there is nothing there at all that states what you will have us believe. You insist one has to be "willing to believe and repent" to get to paradise, yet you have not shown any evidence, were as, I have shown you evidence that appears to the contrary. So can you explain this; why it is that some get a free pass whereas others do not?
He did believe and repent. He believed Jesus was the son of God and confessed that he had sinned and was worthy of the crucifixion he was experiencing. he then asked for Jesus to remember him.
He fulfilled all the requirements for repentance, humilty, admission of Guilt and sin, recognition of Christ, Asking for Mercy.
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@Stronn
If you cannot prove that this God does not exist, then you are bound by this as much as everyone else, If this is the case, why not attempt to learn about what a predestined fate is? at the very least, learn of this God who may or may not have determined your life and end.
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@Stronn
can you cite for certain that you are predestined to burn in hell?
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@Stronn
perception of fate. For we don't know our predetermined nature.
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@secularmerlin
Him that i have not seen, though i love, though not seeing him now, believing i rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory
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@secularmerlin
peace, unexplainable peace. And it guides me into the truth of God. I have no worries when life is crushing me, i have no fear when im under attack. I have Joy in the situations that should bring tears and tears for others when i ought to have rest.
I feel his spirit when i speak to him and when i praise him it is joy that i don't words for. I find more truth in his word than i did the day before and nothing has made me to utterly fall.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
I believe God was true and he verified it with his spirit and his word being true in the process of time.
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@Stephen
be with the lord forever.
at least, those who believe on him. I wouldn't say "We" from your point of view unless you are willing to believe and repent.
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@RationalMadman
yes, i already went over this. are you trying to prove a point?
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@RationalMadman
I did! I was giving my interpretation of paganism and then the modern version.
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@RationalMadman
yep, they don't believe in the God i believe in.
pagan
- n.One who is not a Christian, Muslim, or Jew, especially an adherent of a polytheistic religion in antiquity.
- n.A Neo-Pagan.
- n.Offensive One who has no religion.
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@RationalMadman
in that case, basically anyone who isn't a christian or a jew.
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@RationalMadman
according to scripture or modern interpretation?
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@RationalMadman
if you are going to state the lack of omnipotence of God, i will use scripture to counterfeit it.
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@RationalMadman
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
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@nagisa3
so your arguement is that because i believe in the bible that other religious texts are equal to it because other believe them?
First off, what is your proof the bible is not true?
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@Outplayz
I don't know what you have went through, nor do i know your reasoning or how you concluded it in terms of God or devil or whatever, I do know that God often gives problems to help us understand what we really are.
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@mustardness
prophecy is of the lord regardless of intention or desire, there have been many people who have died according to the word of prophecy, would you argue the one who prophecied wanted them to die?
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@disgusted
you have no understanding of non existence nor is my belief have anything to do with non existence, don't assume you know what you are talking about when it comes to paradise, you are the one asking me right? So either believe what i say or walk away.
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In general, what i see is a failure to understand scripture and to consider there are things people assume aren't logical, however are. The Lord pre ordains, the Lord decides who goes were, The lord Makes good and creates evil.
There is the possibility of changing your fate however, not in the sense of God, but in the sense of physical. Those who are fore ordained for destruction are those who have a evil heart of unbelief, while those who might be saved are the ones who will believe.
So if you refused to believe the scripture, you only validate God and his fatalism, if you believe in God, to you is the Gift of salvation. As to why God has fore ordained people to destruction? romans 9 talks about that. I speak of the mystery of the gospel, how God fore knew and predestined those to salvation.
Whether you believe God or simply want to find fault with him, or you accuse me of being illogical is no longer my problem, believe, repent and be baptised and recieve the holy spirit or be damned. Choice is yours, whether you see it as such or not.
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@Stephen
This does not answer my questions though does it? The fact is you simply do not know what happens then, once a good godly person receives his reward of reaching paradise and you cannot prove what it is you belive you know.You have told me that it " was obviously more than rest". I asked how long for? You then added "rest in righteousness and rest from sin", and called this "the main feature", which made no sense and I reminded you that the blood sacrifice of the Christ died to wipe away the sins of the earth. You then further this with:
once the final judgement is done, God will create a new heaven and new earth and we will be in the new jerusalem and we shall be with the Lord forever, in this, we will share Joy, peace and happiness the likes of which we cannot recieve or comphrend here on earth. or in this mortal and sinful body.
That place being paradise. So do you notice how circular you have made this. I'll explain. I started this thread saying, I have reached paradise - which according to you above "all my sin has gone".I then ask what then? You said "rest".I ask then what? And you reply"rest in righteousness and rest from sin".So I remind you, I have reached paradise- and as you agree - I have no sin at this stage, so then what happens? and you came back with this:
Paradise is in heaven, Yes, all sin is gone. You can repent from sin here on earth, but you will still be sinning, however when you repent the Lord will not find it or remember it during judgement.
Only 1 person died sinless, that is jesus christ, the rest of us have sin in us and we need to repent to be forgiven, repentance and the death of christ keeps us free from being damned as a sinner, but doesn't take away the sin nature.
The whole salvation and where we go is simple and outlined in the bible, Im sorry if you misunderstood what i was saying, ill sum it up brief as i can
We are sinners, if we die, we go to hell and then we wait for judgement. If we accept christ and repent, we die and go to sheol, which is the non tormenting part of hell and we resurrect when the rapture comes. accepting christ doesn't make us sinless, it only makes us to have no bondage to sin when judged. After that, we are with the Lord and all the pleasures and peace and are waiting on everyone else who lives on the earth after the rapture to go through what they go through, then we reign with the lord 1000 years on earth. then satan rebels a final time, then the judgement where we judge the souls and angels according to God's word, then the new heaven and new earth and new jerusalem.
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@Stronn
You stress the fate regardless of action, i stress intention and action regardless of fate. Everyone should at least try if they really want God and salvation.
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hard to say which is my favorite, i guess the one that resonates with me the most is "Chasing daylight" by philip larue
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@disgusted
hey you got it right! the bible says That god makes good and creates evil.
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@disgusted
I wouldn't know, im not Napoleon.
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@disgusted
emotions. and other invisible matters, for God is invisible.
The evidence i have is my experience and what God has done in me and through me. I need nothing else to verify him.
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@nagisa3
debate? also its doesn't negate conversation, to assume the bible has no contridictions is to believe the bible is telling the truth, if you cannot believe the bible is telling the truth at all times then whats the point of reading it? It exegetes into spiritual territories as well as physical, As Jesus said, "If i tell you of earthly things and you believe it not, how then shall you believe if i tell you of heavenly?" john 3:12-21.
In interpreting the bible we have to lay aside our own understanding and let the bible interpret its self as we read it. proverbs 3:5
This is why i can interpret the bible, because i cross reference with verses in the bible that help explain what normally could not be explainable without context and exegesis.
Ah! if God came down from heaven and said the bible was not true, however that would make everything in the bible a lie, even the things we know are true. (Wine can help the stomach)
so in otherwords, there is no way you could convince me otherwise.
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@disgusted
You assert that he is fictional, but do you have any proof he is fictional? You have none, I have proof that he is not, The spirit in me which will resurrect me in the rapture is my proof. Also, my peace, my loving of the brethern, basically everything in 1 john chapters 1-5 will describe the faith and attitude of the elect.
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@nagisa3
keep in mind in your reading that paul is writing to the corinthian church when he says "Us" in verse 10
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@nagisa3
The interpretation of scripture is correct when it follows under the no contridictions rule. As to job not knowing, he and everyone before christ didn't have access to the revelation of Jesus christ as paul explains.
1 corinthians 2:5-10
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@disgusted
because my experience cannot be denied by me. Others? sure! thats why i invite all to try God and see his goodness.
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@nagisa3
if you believe there are translational errors, try reading the same scriptures in niv, esv, or NASB or amplified bible, it should come out clearer.
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@nagisa3
Ah, i see you are challenging scripture based on your interpretation which lacks the context therefore making it seem like there is a contridiction.
The LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.” — Judges 1:19
Judah was unable to drive them out because it wasn't the lords will for them to yet as he explains in judges 2
Judges 2:1-4 ( ill just link verses unless you want me to quote them, i suggest for sanities sake you do the same!)
“The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father…” — Ezekiel 18:20“I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation…” — Exodus 20:5
This is actually a good one and with a bit more study reveals the nature of God and the curses of sin and unrighteousness!
unfortunately this is one of those translation errors i mentioned, the hebrew word bear in ezekiel 18:20
https://biblehub.com/hebrew/yissa_5375.htm Yissa means will accept or lift up. in other words the sin will be remembered not in ezekiel 18:20
However the effects of the sin of the father will visit the children, though God will not remember it in regards to the children.
“Honor thy father and thy mother…”– Exodus 20:12“If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. ” — Luke 14:26
Another good one! In this context Jesus just finished his parable about a man bidding people to his supper and how his friends and trusted ones who couldn't come, so the man told the servants to go get the poor, They did and said there was still room, so he said go in to the highways and hedges and compel them to come! Luke 14:16-24.
Jesus was trying to say, you must put away the ways and cares of the world to bear the cross of Jesus, In using hate, he doesn't mean literally hate, but the greek word is misos. https://biblehub.com/greek/3404.htm which in this context means "to esteem less" which means you cannot be a disciple of jesus if you esteem your life or even your family higher than him, and its true! you simply can't.
…he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no more. ” — Job 7:9“…the hour is coming, in which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth….” — John 5:28-29
This one is a bit tricky, as there is revelation that john writes concerning that Job has no reference or understanding toward in his passage.
Basically Job is saying that those who die the death of the flesh as he alludes to in job 7:1-10. And this is true. However, Johns alluding to the ressurrection of the last day, as he says "Some to ressurrection of Good and those who done evil to ressurrection of damnation" He is talking about the final judgement which is talked about in revelation 20:11-15 as well as many other verses.
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@nagisa3
According to the bible in genesis. God created fish and fowl of the air on the 5th day and then God made animals and man on the 6th day
Genesis 1:23-27.
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@nagisa3
I believe the original manuscripts to be flawless and inerrant, i believe that translations of the manuscripts to be truth, putting aside typos or problems with expressing the original language.
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