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@Mikal
Did you get an answer on if your role is affected by MYLO/LYLO?
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and he risked getting CCed right out the gate
From my read of Mikal. Scum having questions mitigates this bit, but it seems like a waste of questions then. Especially since he’s probably the DP2 lynch if we mislynch here.
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@AdaptableRatman
Town fish for info. It happens. In fact Town is more interested than Scum in which role all others have, if you think hard about it.Casey vibes towny to me if lat game was Casey as scum especially. It is obvious his entire approach here is to lead and solve.
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Whiteflame is null. All he’s posted are some reads and nothing sticks out to me.
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Ultra is null. I thought about if there was something there with him only showing up after he was voted without being pinged.
Thing is, people can show up at coincidental times and it’s happened plenty before. I’ll suspend judgement for now.
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@AdaptableRatman
- Casey switchup from previous scumgame temperament is significant
So, what makes you townread Casey now, after saying earlier that she could be fishing for info?
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I don’t Casey’s start either. Much less. If anything looks like fishing for info, I agree that it’s more likely to be Casey. The theme split stuff just seems weird to me. No real reason to theorize that right now.
Also, in that same post, she suggests a mass soft… but doesn’t start with her own. Usually when people do these things they just start one and offer themselves as the first to go. Instead she just kinda asked everyone else if they wanted to.
First half 24 also stands out like it’s just a red herring. I’m not gonna concern myself about fake claims that were given to scum, I think pretty obvious they weren’t and I think Casey knows this. 2+2 together; if they had fake claims they wouldn’t need the ability to ask the mod questions about what is/isn’t in the game.
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I will agree with Mikal that RM’s start is weird. Question 1 doesn’t bother me since I can see him dwelling on something that happened in a previous game. Q2-3 are the ones that bother me. Q2 could run on the logic that as long as he behaves in the way he was asked, he’s hard to scumread. Q3 would be more aimed at figuring what he needs to do regarding a fake claim, such as what questions he needs to ask the mod, what angle he goes at for a fake claim, how much risk he can take with one, etc
The thing is, RM is weird. There’s a few players in this site that will sometimes just do weird shit, even as town. RM is on that list for sure, I can already say.
The reads he’s posted look like normal behavior. Noting the read on Casey tho
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Thought about the idea of Mikal taking a big risk.
The incentives are too much of a net negative. He’s basically guaranteed his death at some point, and he risked getting CCed right out the gate. It guarantees he survives the first DP, but that’s about it.
if that wasn’t enough, the claim checks out. Looked up the character. She seems rather unremarkable, outside of the unhinged things she said. Idk what’s role she could be other than “hated”
So Mikal is an obvious hard townread
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@Mikal
Would have tried to bait the nk but dont trust this site to put me at l1 on accident when I’m asleep
Fair lol
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I have not played Minecraft in a very long time lol
I think I do prefer Terraria
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@AdaptableRatman
I’m not gonna ask Casey to change her pfp just because it could display something that might be offensive to some people if you searched for what is cropped out of the image. No reasonable person would.
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@AdaptableRatman
No, the image should be banned. Even adults get freaked out seeing it. Its some torture, murder, rape or kidnapping thing.
You get freaked out seeing it. All I see is hands on a face.
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@Lunatic
Nah I'm telling you, there's soldiers there. You just need to squint real hard.
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@ILikePie5
@Savant
Better idea: Mark me down as a replacement for now, throw me in if needed
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@Sir.Lancelot
Placing strict restrictions on harassment, hate speech, and discrimination are not limiting free speech either.
They are.
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421) Diary Mafia (Wylted) mafia win
Characters thread https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12399-diary-characters-thread
422) Debate Mafia (Austin) mafia win
423) Castlevania Mafia (Whiteflame) town win
424) Serial Killers Mafia (Lunatic) town win
425) The Sopranos Mafia (Vader) mafia win
426) The Russian Mafia (Casey) mafia win
427) Call of Duty: Black Ops Mafia (Pie) mafia win
428) Jet Fighters Mafia (Bullish) town win
429) Game Shows Mafia (Lunatic) mafia win
430) Microbiology Mafia (Whiteflame) town win
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@Sir.Lancelot
It's a tactical marketing strategy.Freedom of Speech is a legal right that preserves your immunity from prosecution. It means squat on a private domain, regardless of what your attorney tells you.
You confuse law for ethics. Yes I’m aware you have the right to kick anyone out of your private property, but that doesn’t mean you always should.
And marketing a debate website with censorship is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard. That only attracts people who desire uncomfortable ideas be censored; the site that does this will attract the most intellectually dishonest debaters possible.
And of course, you forget that the freedom to have an open debate about some very controversial opinions could be good marketing of its own, especially when you remember this is a debate website where you’re supposed to debate.
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@Lemming
Sure. But I don’t think kids should be on this website. Teenagers maybe. But kids? No.
It’s definitely not DART’s problem if parents can’t be responsible, that’s for sure.
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In all seriousness, people who get offended by slurs are a bit weak for it. Words only have as much power as you give them, and you can choose whether or not you’re offended.
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@n8nrgim
FAGGOT!
Fax my brother, spit your shit indeed!
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Thx. I’ll come back and read all that later.
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@David
@Lemming
I believe the Question feature is still bugged. Yeah a fix would be good
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@ADreamOfLiberty
What are you talking about?
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@David
Forgot to tag you above.
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Proposition 1: New moderatorsThe moderation team has decided to add new moderators to the team. We have decided to do a combination of nominations and applications. To be eligible to become a moderator a member must:1. Have been a member for at least 6 months2. No bans in the past year3. No open restraining orders4. 2 completed non-forfeited debatesYou are allowed to nominate yourself in this thread. If you are interested in becoming a moderator please send me a DM and write the following application:The Application1. How long have you been on the site?2. What are all of the alt accounts you might be known by?3. How do you think the collaborative process for the moderation team should work?4. Have you ever been a moderator on another site, discord server, or facebook group?5. What site rules would you like see changed?6. Do you have anything else that might make you a particularly good discussion moderator?
I feel like I’d do fine but I don’t wanna dedicate the time to this. /out
Proposition 2: Rebranding the siteAs most of you have heard Mike is planning on giving me ownership of the site. We are thinking of doing an entire redesign and a rebrand. Do you think we should rebrand? If so, what names would you suggest?
DebateArena (DA)
Debate online/ online debate
place of debate
Symposia
freedebate
- You may not use hateful, harassing, or obscene language or imagery in your username or avatar.
This is already kinda stupid. “Hateful” is very subjective and in most cases where it can be somewhat agreed upon, context is almost never considered. Plus, I think people do have the right to be hateful. It is free speech, despite what your local professor of Islamo-Marxian Genderology would say.
You may not threaten or promote violence against any person or persons, barring hyperbole against public figures (e.g., “all politicians should be shot”). Advocacy in favor of terrorism and/or violent extremism, especially as related to hate groups as generally defined by the SPLC, is likewise prohibited.
I’ll agree with the first part since people shouldn’t feel personally threatened.
However, the line with the latter portion can become quite blurry and I’d like you to draw a more specific line. The current standard allows for “extremism” to be too relative to whatever the mods think it is. As a right-leaning libertarian on a site that is about to be owned (and has been modded) mostly by leftists, I’m not too enthusiastic.
Finally since hate speech is free speech, people should be allowed to represent hate groups. If you absolutely must restrict users in this way, however, the SPLC’s standards for what count as a hate/extremeist group are laughably low.
Sure, plenty of hate groups in here. But as you scroll through the list, you see groups that aren’t exactly white hood-wearing Neo-Nazi skinheads about to fight with Black Israelite Nationalist Panthers in some alleyway.
For example, one could recommend any of the Catholic websites and be called an extremist worthy of mod discipline. You could advocate a conspiracy theory Alex Jones spouted on Infowars, and incur mod action. You could identify with the Constitution Party, and the standards set already allow for mods to discipline you for it.
Yes, we are lucky that the mod team has shown restraint thus far, but there should never be a path to going that direction in the first place.
I don’t like such censorship, let alone on a debate website, where ideas can and should be discussed freely, even the most controversial ones.
I will add here that websites like these also present a good place for hateful beliefs to be logically torn to shreds, in front of the people who believe them.
Proposed language:The use of racial slurs or slurs against any other protected group of any type is not allowed. If a user uses any type of slur, the moderation team will:Edit the post and remove the slursSend a warning to the userIf a user continues to use a slur the ban will include a 30 day site ban. Continuing such conduct will result in a permanent ban.Depending on the severity of the statement the moderation reserves the right to jump to either a 30 day ban immediately or a permanent ban.
This is a poll so I am going to be relatively polite about it: Fuck no, fuck that.
Again, context is removed in situations like these, and hate speech is free speech. This website should not be for the thin-skinned.
This is the shit RM tried to enforce in the mafia community. Once again, I will be very vocal in opposition of this.
2. Other COC overhaulWhat other information do you want changed? How can the moderation team improve the COC and improve enforcement of COC?
I would like “excessive trolling” to be enforced a bit better. If someone is not interested in having a genuine discussion, only ragebaiting, you can remove them for the site. It’s pretty obvious when someone is here just to troll, and do nothing else.
I remember back on DDO the established idea was that you had users who’d only troll on occasion, so it wouldn’t get out of hand. It allowed for the fun of trolling while not completely derailing the site.
Proposition 4: New featuresWhat new features would you like to have added to the website?
Toggleable likes for the creator of a thread. I think a thread creator should have the ability to turn likes off, and possibly make them public.
I also think the “forum games” forum should have special perks where thread creators can lock their own threads, a permission that an be taken away from individual users if abused. (For example, a user could create a discussion on mafia game theory, get destroyed on a bad take, and lock the thread out of embarrassment. I would count that as an abuse of the feature). The feature would allow game mods to close their DPs without having to wait for a mod.
Next, rated debates should be the default option. Noobsniping does very little at high elo, and it’s better than those debates not being accepted. I’d argue having someone engage with the debate you started is a preferable experience, even for a noob who is about to get his ass kicked.
Finally, I think elo nullification for forfeited debates should have a threshold. I’m not sure what the current code is, but I don’t think it’s good for someone to miss out on their elo reward for winning a debate, just because their opponent forfeited a single round. Obviously there’s specifics to this, but I’m sure you get the point.
Oh almost forgot: Group PMs.
And a polls section like DDO used to have.
Proposition 5: Open discussionUsers may use this forum space to request anything that is not listed here.
If you want to place ads on this site, limit it to two per page: One at the top, and at the bottom. Don’t restrict adblockers.
Finally, do not let this site become like Reddit. Please remember the origins of DDO/DART culture and respect it.
Wishing both you and the site the very best in this endeavor,
Mharman
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@Savant
The alternative is for the debates section to remain as dead as it is
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@David
We? Who are the other members of the dev team?
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Current Mafia:
Earth - Skyrim Mafia
Sign ups:
None
In the Hopper:
iLikePie5
Lunatic
Mharman
On Hold:
Wylted - Lulsec
Casey_Risk - Deltarune Mafia
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@David
@Barney
“Select winner” ought to be the default option. Solves the issue easily.
And I think “rated” should be the default as well
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@Lemming
Honestly, I don’t care for the like system on a debate website. But I understand its usefulness and on occasion necessity.
Still it would be great if thread creators could toggle likes for their thread
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@WyIted
That says more about the Biden administration than it does about Catholics lol
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@Casey_Risk
You base this off how many people???
RM has always been like this.
I won’t say I agree with Catholicism, but I highly doubt your complaints are legit.
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@Earth
1. Pie - Skyrim2. AR - Skyrim3. Casey4. WF5. Mikal - Tales6. Ultra7. Savant8. Wylted - Skyrim9. Lunatic - SkyrimMhar can be a replacement.
Works for me
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@AdaptableRatman
There was a theory that he had used two questions for enabler and doctor, to craft his fake claim and then buddy the doctor. I didn’t care for Savant’s behavior, so the idea kinda stuck with me.
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@ILikePie5
You were the prime mislynch target, that was obvious. I’m impressed with the fact you decided to bet on them not killing me.
They should have, but town was on the back foot (at least from what we knew at the time), so yeah swinging for the fences was best. Earth couldn’t have used it, but there were other that could have, it’s just that you had to hard call that they were town
I was confirmed but there were high odds I would be the kill. So you had to choose between a guaranteed helpful result IF the target escaped death, or a 1/3 shot at a helpful result with a guarantee the target escaped death.
You made the right call.
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@ILikePie5
btw giving the tracker to me was pretty ballsy. Kinda forced as well but I’m glad you spotted that play
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