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@RationalMadman
Because cop is very common in a lot of games. Same thing with doctor.
I claimed to be the investigative PR, you blatantly implied we dont clash role-wise...
If you are talking DP1 when I townread you, that was based on the idea that A) ComputerNerd is town, so unusual characters are not a sign of being scum (which still holds up) and B) Your behavior fits your claimed role.
And it's the latter that bothers me now. Your behavior no longer matches that role. You're all over the place. You went from Pie to me to Whiteflame to Earth. We haven't even got your result from last night, which makes me doubt you even have the role you say you do now. I should've listened to Pie when he said you have zero credibility in your theme analysis. It's clearly true, given Wylted's flip and the fact that's you can't pin a solid theme or player down worth anything. With that being said, I think you made it up to control the game and setup a false narrative of CNerd vs. Wylted, especially since Judge would be a new role to Lunatic's games and has never appeared on this site period. In my analysis of Lunatic's games back in Ozark Mafia, not once did he introduce a new role in the games I analyzed.
Considering everything so far, all of this now, you are now at the very top of my list for scumreads.
As for the other teammate, my current theory is That2, given how you accepted him and said he was town with no question whatsoever, and is pretty much piggybacking you at this point. Supa remains a wild card however, given his inactivity and That2's piggybacking could easily be town sheeping if it's Supa, which I can also see.
Regardless, I still want to vote to not lynch because of the aforementioned mathematics and the aforemention bonus night kill to analyze. It is easily the best option and all can still be discussed this DP and the entire next one if we vote to not lynch.
As for claiming? Sure. I am vanilla because Sambo has had many hyped up UFC fighters (Dennis Siver and his infamous loss to Conor McGregor were the example given in my role PM) yet only one champion who uses it often in the form of Khabib Nurmagomedov.
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@RationalMadman
why do you push for vtnl when 2 died in a night? Use your head.
Because we are at an even number right now in a 9-player setup (so there HAS to be 2 scum) AND in MYLO. Lynching at a 4v2 is mathematically and informationally a terrible idea. With a vote to not lynch, The odds of hitting scum mathematically in the DP3 lynch jump from 33% to 40% AND we get one more NK to analyze before lynching, which should increase our odds of hitting scum even further, especially since it makes it even harder for the scum team because they have less townies to accuse.
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@RationalMadman
computernerd's role would make cop a severely dysfunctional role to the point of bastard modding.
How so? The way I see it, no scum team is dumb enough to fake a cop claim. It is by far one of the riskiest things that they could claim.
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@That2User
If you didn't want to why did you? We had plenty of options, including VTNL, extending the day phase would be pro-town too
I did what I did because like I said, time was short and we needed a lynch. Given the inactivity of Supa and the very small amount of activity from Earth, I felt getting a lynch on Wylted (who I preferred to lynch by the end of DP1 over CNerd) was next to impossible because there was only two people voting him. So that just left CNerd. I figured he would flip town, but DP1 a no-lynch harms us more than a mislynch because of the lack of information.
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@RationalMadman
If you are mad at me for voting CNerd, keep in mind I didn’t really want to, I just felt Wylted wasn’t enough of option
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We should VTNL. We are in MYLO and the odds of hitting scum in crease if it is a 3v2 instead of a 4v2.
VTNL
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@RationalMadman
I already don’t like voting for him. But I see no better option right now.
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@whiteflame
Fine. I will vote CNerd. I still think he is town, but we need a lynch and I honestly don’t see it happening on Wylted this DP despite some points RM is making that make me wonder about Wylted more.
That being said, I am starting to see some of the logic in scumreading CNerd, I just don’t agree with it all. I guess if he is scum then it can make sense to him to have a slip up like that. I don’t think the slip up is scummy from what I’ve seen, but I don’t think any better option present itself and again, we need a lynch this DP.
VTL CNerd
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@ILikePie5
tbh I am switching it to null. I took a bit of a break and realized I was getting overdefensive of CNerd to the point where, in my head, I accused his accusers. I'll admit I can at least see Whiteflame's logic. Aikido is rare in the MMA (at least according to what I looked up), but aren't some of the characters bound to be? I just think CNerd's behavior is too much noob town to me.
As for you, your logic I vehemently disagree with, but being wrong doesn't mean being scum. So I have not much else to go on for you I guess. But I do have an eye on you still.
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@RationalMadman
I don't think there's a TP in a 9 player game. It should be a 7v2
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This is distinct from outright claiming, which he has done in the past games. He made 3-4 posts with detailed analysis, which we never have seen before from him. Then he decided to buddy with RM and claim.
I call that an effort to git gud.
No, his first instinct was to reveal what he thought was Wylted’s character. I don’t know how you believe this behavior is normal from him.
Post #35 is where that first instinct is; Post #37 is just suboptimal play.
No. There’s was zero analysis from him in that game. Absolutely zero. Now he comes out of nowhere and starts researching and being extremely active? That is a complete behavior shift.
Being more active doesn't always make one scum. Consider what happened the last two games he played. He wasn't active enough, people criticized his inactivity, and he got demotivated to play mafia afterwards, he has given it another shot here, and is more active because he wants to do well that badly.
That’s my point. If he was town, he’d be more laid back. As scum mafia feel like they have the obligation to post to seem like they’re contributing. You can’t townread him for “contributing” when scum can do that too.
He did more than just fake a contribution. He softclaimed his character, claimed vanilla ("It is not a power role" is what he said), and even gave what his character's style was in Post #35 alone. Not to mention Post #46, where he fully claimed his character.
He has to maintain the facade of noob town as scum, which is why he claimed without any pressure. And he’s being active af. Again this behavior is inconsistent with his town behavior form the last game.
Okay, but that is all speculation. I'd need to see something more concrete before I doubt my read on him.
I agree that this is noob mistake, but it’s a noob mafia mistake. I’ve seen noobs for years and this difference of behavior is concerning.
If that's the case then the mistake would be that he would've outed his thoughts publicly instead of in a mafia PM, or in both. Which is fair. Still, I would need something to go alongside it to flip my stance on him.
Confidence comes from information. Mafia have information. You can read it as noob all you want. Maybe it is. But there’s a clear distinction in behavior and we should act on it.
That information was Wylted saying he was softclaiming, which is info the all of us got when Wylted made his posts. CNerd just didn't handle it correctly.
I think he’s scum based on behavior.
I don't.
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@ILikePie5
i trust his analysis right now; just want some thoughts from supa
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like the whole goal is to catch your opponent off balance and score a takedown, then use ground moves until an escape or pin happens
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@RationalMadman
i guess but from my experience wrestling requires more balance than one would think
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@RationalMadman
idk about theme split tho. I still kinda townread Wylted despite what he thinks of me. I think I can do some good research like in Ozark, but my I think it's going to be even harder to research given that this game, unlike Ozark, isn't themed around a scripted show with characters in the show filling specific roles.
Any big UFC/MMA fans aside from Lunatic in here?
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Pie says no, RM says yes, not really any other reasons given other than RM's claim and Pie's distrust of RM. So Imma just make the decision to on whether or not to claim myself; I've gotten impatient waiting for town to come to a consensus on the issue. Plus I'm a little more confident in my abilities now that more information has come out about RM.
I'm no MMA expert but Kung Fu isn't on the list of most common MMA styles. Not from what I've researched. However, technically any martial art can be featured here in this game as Lunatic said, with CNerd's Aikido claim being one of them.
I am townreading CNerd because he is genuinely cooperating with town and the first thing he did in this game that strikes me as noteworthy is he claimed under no pressure whatsoever because he liked RM's idea. While some other townies and I had reservations about the strat, CNerd's first instinct here was to reveal what he could. This is exactly what he did in Ozark Mafia, except this time he didn't reveal his role. And yet, the pattern of outting too much in an effort to cooperate is still here a bit. He clearly attempts to contribute (Post #35), and he says he is townreading Wylted (Post #42) there but he had already outted what character he thinks Wylted is by then (Post #37). While obviously you don't want to out something like that if you (especially if you think the character is a defensive role), I don't think that makes CNerd scum, only noob town. If he were scum he would out it in a mafia PM, not to the rest of town. Given how inexperienced CNerd is at this game, I think it would also makes sense for him to make misplays like that, especially because outting too much information is the exact same noob mistake he made in Ozark Mafia. As for his increased activity, I just chalk that up to him being more enthusiastic about this game, or perhaps a tad more confident. Either way, I am not going to scumread someone for making an effort to try more. So yes, because I townread CNerd, I believe his Aikido claim.
With that out of the way, back to RM. My logic is, if Aikido, a role not common in MMA, is town, then it is plausible for Kung Fu to be town as well. I have no reason to suspect his character claim. But what about his role claim? While I don't know the reasoning as to why Kung Fu would be Justice (RM explain plz), it does explain his behavior thus far. The way he acts based on how his Role PM mentions balance along with his own role is (even his thought process follows the lines of his role, take two players and examine their relation) makes me think that there is a clear cohesion in how he is playing and he role, so yes, I believe his justice claim.
With that being said, I am going to trust his analysis and claim. I am Sambo.
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@Incel-chud
I'm pretty sure I understand your analysis on me. You say I am fluffing to fake contribute to the game. As I've said, I am simply expressing my thoughts to let the rest of town know what I am thinking, and then ask the rest of town for their input. The point of the post wasn't to even be a massive contribution. It was so that I know whether or not we are mass claiming here. I am ok with either option, I just want to know what the rest of town decides before I make a stupid decision.
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@Incel-chud
Again, you aren't doing anything wrong. Humans have certain psychological tells that are hard to hide. I am not criticizing your actions, so much as pointing out, that you are most likely scum based on things like that. It shows a level of trying to write words just to write words.I often do something similar, where I write in a flow of consciusness, in fact I am doing it now. Just unfiltered thoughts pouring out. Nothing wrong with that. The issue here is that you are repeating sttements and fluffing, because scum are usually conscious of their activity level. You want to appear active, because you falsely believe that town is more active than what it is.You also struggle, because scum can't really scum hunt, so they have to simulate, giving a shit about finding scum, and since lying is uncomfortable they often say stuff like . I think Ilike pie is scum because he is buddying up to people, but maybe he is town trying to buddy up so people feel more secure giving him information".That is the exact type of analysis that comes from scum, trying to simulate actual scum hunting. It is unnatural. Again, you aren't doing anything wrong. You are a human, and imperfect. You have psychological tells, and you have been caught. Maybe the rest of town will see it, but often these are weak players who rarely are privy to the psychological element of the game and you will get off the hook.
That's great and all, but this literally all stuff I did in Ozark Mafia as town.
Asking for input from town on the issue of mass claiming? I did this in Ozark Mafia here.
The expression of my obvious thoughts that you write off as fluff? I expressed my thoughts like that in Ozark Mafia here.
Any actual fluff? I posted a lot of fluff in Ozark Mafia too, particularly in the first page of DP1 of that game here.
All of your psychological analysis is based on how the normal player behaves. I am not a normal player. If anything, this is all consistent with how I act as town, especially in the early game when there is not a lot information, so I am less confident in my town play early on.
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@Incel-chud
What about this statement that says "last game" twice in one sentence
Why is that even a problem for you?
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@Incel-chud
For me it does help. The whole point was to let everyone know what I was thinking and gathering input from the rest of town. If I know what to do, I can be more helpful to town, so I am trying to ask the rest of town what I should do. It may be obvious the rest of town that "HIs actions are either scum or town motivated", but I want to showcase my own thoughts so the rest of town can let me know what they think.
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@Incel-chud
What even is your point? That what I said is unnecessary fluff? If that's the case then you are wrong about that. I find it necessary for myself to get input from other townies.
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@Incel-chud
But that is literally all I did. Ask town for thoughts on mass claiming because I am unsure myself. Again, I did this last game.
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@Incel-chud
I don't see how I am strawmanning this. I presented the sides of a debate on mass claiming and asked town for thoughts. I did this last game too.
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@Incel-chud
the whole post was presenting my reasons for why and why not to mass claim, the questions was when i asked for thoughts? Are you not criticizing that?
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@Incel-chud
? I am literally just questioning out loud. I want other town input on my thoughts
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@Incel-chud
Can you at least tell us why you scumread me before you get banned?
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I'm going town on Wylted based on CNerd's analysis of him. I think CNerd gave away too much again though (if he's correct), so I hope we got a doc this game. If there is one, I'm not sure who they should protect (Wylted or RM)
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I don't know what to think of RM. A mass claim could be him acting from town or mafia, so I'm still unsure of a mass claim for fears of scum team deciphering power roles and because of Earth is right, if he's town it's all a speculation of RM's.
On the flip side, if we get a clear theme from it, the idea of steamrolling mafia is tantalizing. And pretty much all of the martial arts sound powerful, so maybe scum deciphering PR's isn't that concerning because they may not be able to.
Thoughts?
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C-Nerd claiming without pressure seems towny to me based on how he's played other games. He was very cooperative as town last game too, even if he went a little overboard with it last game
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RM's theory is interesting but we have no way of knowing without a flip or mass claim. How easy could scum decipher power roles this game?
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