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@ILikePie5
tbh I am switching it to null. I took a bit of a break and realized I was getting overdefensive of CNerd to the point where, in my head, I accused his accusers. I'll admit I can at least see Whiteflame's logic. Aikido is rare in the MMA (at least according to what I looked up), but aren't some of the characters bound to be? I just think CNerd's behavior is too much noob town to me.
As for you, your logic I vehemently disagree with, but being wrong doesn't mean being scum. So I have not much else to go on for you I guess. But I do have an eye on you still.
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@RationalMadman
I don't think there's a TP in a 9 player game. It should be a 7v2
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This is distinct from outright claiming, which he has done in the past games. He made 3-4 posts with detailed analysis, which we never have seen before from him. Then he decided to buddy with RM and claim.
I call that an effort to git gud.
No, his first instinct was to reveal what he thought was Wylted’s character. I don’t know how you believe this behavior is normal from him.
Post #35 is where that first instinct is; Post #37 is just suboptimal play.
No. There’s was zero analysis from him in that game. Absolutely zero. Now he comes out of nowhere and starts researching and being extremely active? That is a complete behavior shift.
Being more active doesn't always make one scum. Consider what happened the last two games he played. He wasn't active enough, people criticized his inactivity, and he got demotivated to play mafia afterwards, he has given it another shot here, and is more active because he wants to do well that badly.
That’s my point. If he was town, he’d be more laid back. As scum mafia feel like they have the obligation to post to seem like they’re contributing. You can’t townread him for “contributing” when scum can do that too.
He did more than just fake a contribution. He softclaimed his character, claimed vanilla ("It is not a power role" is what he said), and even gave what his character's style was in Post #35 alone. Not to mention Post #46, where he fully claimed his character.
He has to maintain the facade of noob town as scum, which is why he claimed without any pressure. And he’s being active af. Again this behavior is inconsistent with his town behavior form the last game.
Okay, but that is all speculation. I'd need to see something more concrete before I doubt my read on him.
I agree that this is noob mistake, but it’s a noob mafia mistake. I’ve seen noobs for years and this difference of behavior is concerning.
If that's the case then the mistake would be that he would've outed his thoughts publicly instead of in a mafia PM, or in both. Which is fair. Still, I would need something to go alongside it to flip my stance on him.
Confidence comes from information. Mafia have information. You can read it as noob all you want. Maybe it is. But there’s a clear distinction in behavior and we should act on it.
That information was Wylted saying he was softclaiming, which is info the all of us got when Wylted made his posts. CNerd just didn't handle it correctly.
I think he’s scum based on behavior.
I don't.
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@ILikePie5
i trust his analysis right now; just want some thoughts from supa
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like the whole goal is to catch your opponent off balance and score a takedown, then use ground moves until an escape or pin happens
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@RationalMadman
i guess but from my experience wrestling requires more balance than one would think
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@RationalMadman
idk about theme split tho. I still kinda townread Wylted despite what he thinks of me. I think I can do some good research like in Ozark, but my I think it's going to be even harder to research given that this game, unlike Ozark, isn't themed around a scripted show with characters in the show filling specific roles.
Any big UFC/MMA fans aside from Lunatic in here?
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Pie says no, RM says yes, not really any other reasons given other than RM's claim and Pie's distrust of RM. So Imma just make the decision to on whether or not to claim myself; I've gotten impatient waiting for town to come to a consensus on the issue. Plus I'm a little more confident in my abilities now that more information has come out about RM.
I'm no MMA expert but Kung Fu isn't on the list of most common MMA styles. Not from what I've researched. However, technically any martial art can be featured here in this game as Lunatic said, with CNerd's Aikido claim being one of them.
I am townreading CNerd because he is genuinely cooperating with town and the first thing he did in this game that strikes me as noteworthy is he claimed under no pressure whatsoever because he liked RM's idea. While some other townies and I had reservations about the strat, CNerd's first instinct here was to reveal what he could. This is exactly what he did in Ozark Mafia, except this time he didn't reveal his role. And yet, the pattern of outting too much in an effort to cooperate is still here a bit. He clearly attempts to contribute (Post #35), and he says he is townreading Wylted (Post #42) there but he had already outted what character he thinks Wylted is by then (Post #37). While obviously you don't want to out something like that if you (especially if you think the character is a defensive role), I don't think that makes CNerd scum, only noob town. If he were scum he would out it in a mafia PM, not to the rest of town. Given how inexperienced CNerd is at this game, I think it would also makes sense for him to make misplays like that, especially because outting too much information is the exact same noob mistake he made in Ozark Mafia. As for his increased activity, I just chalk that up to him being more enthusiastic about this game, or perhaps a tad more confident. Either way, I am not going to scumread someone for making an effort to try more. So yes, because I townread CNerd, I believe his Aikido claim.
With that out of the way, back to RM. My logic is, if Aikido, a role not common in MMA, is town, then it is plausible for Kung Fu to be town as well. I have no reason to suspect his character claim. But what about his role claim? While I don't know the reasoning as to why Kung Fu would be Justice (RM explain plz), it does explain his behavior thus far. The way he acts based on how his Role PM mentions balance along with his own role is (even his thought process follows the lines of his role, take two players and examine their relation) makes me think that there is a clear cohesion in how he is playing and he role, so yes, I believe his justice claim.
With that being said, I am going to trust his analysis and claim. I am Sambo.
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@Incel-chud
I'm pretty sure I understand your analysis on me. You say I am fluffing to fake contribute to the game. As I've said, I am simply expressing my thoughts to let the rest of town know what I am thinking, and then ask the rest of town for their input. The point of the post wasn't to even be a massive contribution. It was so that I know whether or not we are mass claiming here. I am ok with either option, I just want to know what the rest of town decides before I make a stupid decision.
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@Incel-chud
Again, you aren't doing anything wrong. Humans have certain psychological tells that are hard to hide. I am not criticizing your actions, so much as pointing out, that you are most likely scum based on things like that. It shows a level of trying to write words just to write words.I often do something similar, where I write in a flow of consciusness, in fact I am doing it now. Just unfiltered thoughts pouring out. Nothing wrong with that. The issue here is that you are repeating sttements and fluffing, because scum are usually conscious of their activity level. You want to appear active, because you falsely believe that town is more active than what it is.You also struggle, because scum can't really scum hunt, so they have to simulate, giving a shit about finding scum, and since lying is uncomfortable they often say stuff like . I think Ilike pie is scum because he is buddying up to people, but maybe he is town trying to buddy up so people feel more secure giving him information".That is the exact type of analysis that comes from scum, trying to simulate actual scum hunting. It is unnatural. Again, you aren't doing anything wrong. You are a human, and imperfect. You have psychological tells, and you have been caught. Maybe the rest of town will see it, but often these are weak players who rarely are privy to the psychological element of the game and you will get off the hook.
That's great and all, but this literally all stuff I did in Ozark Mafia as town.
Asking for input from town on the issue of mass claiming? I did this in Ozark Mafia here.
The expression of my obvious thoughts that you write off as fluff? I expressed my thoughts like that in Ozark Mafia here.
Any actual fluff? I posted a lot of fluff in Ozark Mafia too, particularly in the first page of DP1 of that game here.
All of your psychological analysis is based on how the normal player behaves. I am not a normal player. If anything, this is all consistent with how I act as town, especially in the early game when there is not a lot information, so I am less confident in my town play early on.
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@Incel-chud
What about this statement that says "last game" twice in one sentence
Why is that even a problem for you?
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@Incel-chud
For me it does help. The whole point was to let everyone know what I was thinking and gathering input from the rest of town. If I know what to do, I can be more helpful to town, so I am trying to ask the rest of town what I should do. It may be obvious the rest of town that "HIs actions are either scum or town motivated", but I want to showcase my own thoughts so the rest of town can let me know what they think.
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@Incel-chud
What even is your point? That what I said is unnecessary fluff? If that's the case then you are wrong about that. I find it necessary for myself to get input from other townies.
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@Incel-chud
But that is literally all I did. Ask town for thoughts on mass claiming because I am unsure myself. Again, I did this last game.
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@Incel-chud
I don't see how I am strawmanning this. I presented the sides of a debate on mass claiming and asked town for thoughts. I did this last game too.
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@Incel-chud
the whole post was presenting my reasons for why and why not to mass claim, the questions was when i asked for thoughts? Are you not criticizing that?
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@Incel-chud
? I am literally just questioning out loud. I want other town input on my thoughts
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@Incel-chud
Can you at least tell us why you scumread me before you get banned?
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I'm going town on Wylted based on CNerd's analysis of him. I think CNerd gave away too much again though (if he's correct), so I hope we got a doc this game. If there is one, I'm not sure who they should protect (Wylted or RM)
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I don't know what to think of RM. A mass claim could be him acting from town or mafia, so I'm still unsure of a mass claim for fears of scum team deciphering power roles and because of Earth is right, if he's town it's all a speculation of RM's.
On the flip side, if we get a clear theme from it, the idea of steamrolling mafia is tantalizing. And pretty much all of the martial arts sound powerful, so maybe scum deciphering PR's isn't that concerning because they may not be able to.
Thoughts?
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C-Nerd claiming without pressure seems towny to me based on how he's played other games. He was very cooperative as town last game too, even if he went a little overboard with it last game
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RM's theory is interesting but we have no way of knowing without a flip or mass claim. How easy could scum decipher power roles this game?
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hmmmm. I don't wanna step on his toes but i want to get a game going, mine or not. I think I'll just wait because my game is 12 players which would take even longer to fill than his game. I'll vouch for his game. he has one week.
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@Lunatic
@Vader
Wait, did Supa say his game wasn’t going to be ready? If not, I want to vouch for him just a little bit more before posting my signups.
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@Lunatic
I don’t know if I can pull the people in though. I can try
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@Double_R
1. I don’t agree with leaving NATO, but wanting to doesn’t make one a puppet.
2. Trump did work with Europe on many occasions. I wouldn’t call any disagreements he had with them a feud, and having some issues with Europe doesn’t make on a puppet either.
3. Action speak louder than words. The dude literally bombed a Russian ally, sent Ukraine javelins that are becoming crucial on the war front, and sanctioned Russia several times. That’s not puppet behavior. Point blank. No amount of trying to be friendly leading up to a summit with a world leader will change that.
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@lady3keys
Trump-Russia collusion conspiracy theory again. I thought that died but apparently not.
Regardless I don’t think inviting Russia back is a good move, but I don’t believe being someone’s puppet is his motive here. By that logic, the UN inviting some of the worst regimes in the world to their human rights council makes the UN a puppet. But they’re not. It’s just a bad move.
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@oromagi
As far as I’m concerned, questioning someone’s reasoning for being on a site is in a similar vein of asking them to leave. No, I don’t think users like Dr.Franklin who are cheering for Russia are anti-free speech or anti-debate, they’re just horribly wrong about a war.
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@jaishawnemmette
I do not care about medals, nor do I care about your vampire fantasy or whatever.
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@FLRW
I personally do not care where she was born. You’re essentially arguing her merits are decided by her country of origin.
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@FLRW
Imagine having TDS when he's not even the current president. She met him in 1998, long after Slovenia was no longer communist. Are we to judge all those who marry immigrants based on what country said immigrant came from?
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@Double_R
On the other hand he’s trying to play it tough as if Putin was so afraid of Trump that he never would have tried this if he were still in office
Which is the main point of the quote. And honestly, I think Trump in office over Biden would've resulted in a tougher America with a better chance of peace (albeit uneasy) between the two countries.
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@oromagi
Stopping Putin works to improve both of our concerns.
I agree. I just don't like the usage of the main forum for this when we have a politics forum. Putting it in the main forum gives off an undertone of "If you disagree with me on this war, get off the site."
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