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@disgusted
Labeling your opponent’s arguments as excuses doesn’t take the conversation anywhere, and it only exposes your unwillingness to consider any beliefs but your own.
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@disgusted
You're not even going to give a counter-argument?
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@disgusted
That because these mass shootings generally happen in gun free zones...
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@n8nrgmi
you say people just choose to use guns, so non gun homicides don't increase too. but that's far fetched. if people are just bad people, we should see non gun homicides go wildly out of proportion too. that's the most logical expectation. but that's not happening. neither is there greater crime rates outside of gun murder.
Let me walk you through this:
Bad people choose guns as their primary means of killing. That is why non-gun homicides are lower than gun homicides. If people chose knives, you would see a spike in knife homicides and lower rates in every other weapon.
You say that we should see all weapon homicides out of proportion, but proportion itself is in comparison to other weapons; if all weapons were out of proportion, they would all be in proportion.
.you say people just kill with knives or alternative weopons if they dont have a gun. but that's illogical. places that have more guns have more murder, and less guns equals less murder. if people just killed with alternative means, there would be no correlation with guns and murder. even beyond science, what you say lacks common sense
you say more guns = equals more murder,.but that is not the case. Like i said, in London, overall murder went up when guns were banned.
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Tons of affirmative action programs. Some of having their land ripped away from them because they are white.
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@disgusted
The could've defended themselves if they had a gun.
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@n8nrgmi
We see that because guns are the weapon of choice for anyone looking to use them. If we ban guns, then we'll see a slightly smaller amount of gun homicides, but an increase in knife homicides and overall homicides. This is exactly what happened in London.
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@bsh1
@Speedrace
With a bomb in the game, it means that there is no way there are two poisoners. It has to be a poisoner who can fake poison.
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@ILikePie5
I'll give you that one. Your bomb claim does make a little more sense in that context.
Does anybody have a claims list? If not I'll update it.
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@n8nrgmi
A worse culture would result in more shootings, why doesn't that make sense?
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@RationalMadman
Then why was the Dayton shooter an Elizabeth Warren supporter? Why did a Bernie Sanders supporter open fire on Republicans who were practicing baseball?
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@RationalMadman
Maybe it's because who someone supports has nothing to do with why they shot up a place.
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So, you legitimately think that mafia would have poisoned one of their own on the off-chance that they'd get rescued. That would be an asinine gambit even by Wylted's standards. Your remark here reads like a desperate attempt to shove the lynch onto someone who is--rationally speaking--not likely mafia.
Mafia has a poisoner. We know that. Mafia probably guessed there was a poison doc based off the fact that they have a poisoner. It's not as big as a risk as you might think.
I can only interpret this as a deliberate misuse of terms. That is NOT and NEVER has been what "active" means in the context of mafia roles.
I get what "active" means now. I misinterpreted the meaning of "active".
What makes you think it's deliberate?
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@Speedrace
I voted for Pie because I wanted a claim.
unvote
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@bsh1
A bomb doesn't balance well here. I think it's a fake claim.
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@ILikePie5
I thought about it more and updated my views as such.You just said that you think a fake poisoner is more likely in the game.
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@bsh1
Active role, as in unused. If Disc used his BP, than he would’ve reverted back to vanilla, which would explain why I didn’t inherit his role. Because he already used it.
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@bsh1
My theory is this. Wylted actually poisoned himself guessing there was a poison doctor, and a townie Club was none the wiser and saved him.
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@Vader
@Club
@Dr.Franklin
@Gatorade
@WaterPhoenix
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@Tejretics
Do you consider yourself far-left or center-left?
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@Speedrace
I think this confirms Club as town
Then let's lynch Wylted.
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@Speedrace
I think it's more likely that Wylted knew the town poison doc would save him. I think Club is still town- fake claiming a poison doctor in this game would be way too risky for scum.
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...continues from my last post
at the same time, warren confirmed we either have two poisoners, or a poisoner that can fake poison. I think it's the latter, because we've had the longstanding theory that poisoner was scum; if we had a town poisoner, he would've stepped forward and debunked that theory.
Which means we have a poisoner who could fake poisoning... and that would be Wylted.
VTL Wylted
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@Club
@Phione
When I got no message saying I had inherited Disc's role, I was confused. So I asked warren if I had inherited Disc role.
He told that I did not because I only inherit active roles.
This means that Disc's bulletproof is no longer active, which means he used it.
When?
NP1, the only night when there was no NK. Instead there was a poisoning.
This means that scum can use their NK and their poison at the same night.
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@bsh1
@ILikePie5
@oromagi
@Speedrace
@WaterPhoenix
I have a massive bombshell. Look at my next post.
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@bsh1
Okay. So warren actually did answer that question.
unvote
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@Vader
@ILikePie5
@Speedrace
@WaterPhoenix
@Phione
look up.
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@bsh1
BS. Warren would never answer those questions. He would know that it would reveal too much information to town, and essentially just plain help town.
You my friend, have outed yourself.
VTL bsh1
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@bsh1
Yes. Have you noticed how Disc was a 1x Bulletproof?
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@Vader
@Club
@Dr.Franklin
@Gatorade
@WaterPhoenix
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@Speedrace
What makes you think there's a cop in this game?
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Also Club should be cleared even further. Wylted survived his poisoning, and Club claimed Even Day Poison Doctor, and Chancey- his role claim- matches up with it.
This confirms that the poisoner is scum and Club and Wylted are town.
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Club and I should be cleared.
The NK is specifically designed to make us look like scum.
Given how town almost lynched me last DP, killing Grey only makes us look like scum more. So, why would I kill Grey? It doesn't make any sense. Mafia crealry tried way too hard to make me look like scum.
I think we're dealing with noob scum here.
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@disgusted
That's not what the 2nd Amendment was for...
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@TheRealNihilist
That's not what I did. I just read the list from top to bottom, not realizing it was in alphabetical order.Do you not see that as a problem? You instinctively thought the data would support your worldview instead of seeing the data without your biases. Of course it is difficult to remove all biases but you sure you are doing your best to eliminate as much when trying to look at data fairly
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@TheRealNihilist
ok I read that wrong. That doesn't mean guns should be banned though.
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@Yassine
Many define four casualties as "mass shooting" That's not amass shooting. It's a small group shooting.
One thing also to consider is the US population is very large. If adjusted per capita, you'll notice that Australia, acountry that literally banned all guns, is second, waaaaaay ahead of the U.S. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
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@dustryder
That's no where near agreed.
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