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@Earth
I’m going after Cerulean. It was already the plan from last DP, and I’ve been given more reason to sus him, assuming you and Banana aren’t going for a crazy bus play
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@iamanabanana
For the record, I would’ve preferred you claim after Cerulean this DP. Too late
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@whiteflame
Can Lunatic still talk in the Mason pm? Probably not, but if he can I’d love to hear his thoughts.
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Oh shit it’s going down
I didn’t expect any form of secondary investigative whatsoever. I thought Cop + some protective role + strengthener was OP.
My first thought was that if there is one, Earth’s makes more sense from a game design standpoint because it’s weaker, but the now that he’s added more to his claim it gets harder, because both can be pretty strong.
Earth’s adjustment to his role does make the role more believable imo. I still hate the justification. As for Banana, who tf is Major Kitsch?
I still don’t care for Earth’s behavior, but I’ll admit I have basically nothing to go off of for Banana.
Is it possible that there’s no protective role? I feel like there’d have to be no protectives to make room for one of these extra roles. I’m not sure if it makes room for both. If there a protective and one of these roles exists anyway, I DEFINITELY don’t think there’s room for both.
Wondering if we’re witnessing a hard bus play. If we’re not, then I think Cerulean is the teammate. I still townread Whiteflame.
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@zedvictor4
@Savant
Nazi" has become a metaphor, that can be liberally applied to differences of opinion.
And now we don’t know who the real Nazis are. Perhaps the real Nazis were the friends we made along the way.
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@ILikePie5
We have our hammer. I’m spam pinging you on discord as well cause I know you love spam pings
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Yknow I really would’ve liked to get something more out of Cerulean before we hammered here.
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@whiteflame
@Cerulean
So, my take-away is that I'd prefer to get a claim from either Banana or Cerulean at this point (prefer Banana, though it looks like more people are willing to pursue Cerulean and I would still like to get his reads, hence the vote below), then assuming that information isn't enough to change my calculus, I'd prefer the Earth lynch. I'm not opposed to lynching Moozer and it might end up being the best choice, particularly given how far apart we all are on Earth.VTL Cerulean
Given that we’re set on lynching Moozer now, I’d advise Cerulean not claim at this point. Don’t need to give scum anymore information here.
I would like some more to read him off of, however, so perhaps he can give a set of reads here and be the first to full claim tomorrow. I’ll go second, then anyone else who hasn’t can go after me.
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@whiteflame
That being said, it's a win/draw. If we caught him, great. If not, the confirmation is fine too.
That is true
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@Moozer325
No, he delayed it, because of course he did.
Too late now Moozer. You’re either dead or I’m eating a load of shit tomorrow at this point.
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@Lunatic
@whiteflame
I don’t think we’re even testing Moozer here. I think we just straight-up caught him.
Did he even claimed his character and justification?
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@Earth
You should know that it means nothing if scum defends a mislynch target, especially one that will get lynched anyway.
As someone who did this last time I was scum, the only reason I was able to get away with townreading Wylted knowing he’d get lynched anyway is because he was that obviously town. From Lunatic’s POV (or anyone’s really) you shouldn’t have that going for you.
I’d also like to mention that Lunatic has been widely townread by everyone for his behavior (myself included) so he has no real reason to go for this type of town cred play. Back in Inheritance Cycle I did it to escape a sus that was on me.
Lunatic has neither the motive nor the conditions to go for this, so the incentive for it is basically nonexistent.
The scum slip accusation certainly speaks for itself.
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@Lunatic
Forgot to tag.
Good night to me, good morning to you
Good night to me, good morning to you
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Earths claim is solid kind of, but What are your thoughts on the game right now?
Read up.
Ugh I can’t believe I stayed up late for this. I feel like hammered shit.
Down to lynch either Earth or Moozer before the DP ends
I’m gonna go see what sleep I can salvage
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@Cerulean
I don't think Lunatic simply having a Neighborizer role is reason enough to call him Town without going back and being more thorough. Pockets can happen in neighborhoods. I have played multiple games and written (but never hosted, sadly) a setup with a Mafia aligned Neighborizer.
Thoughts on Lunatic’s behavior?
I'm more willing to believe that Moozer is in fact lynchproof, just because of how risky of a claim it is. As Mafia, you're essentially making yourself the "default" lynch of the Day and hoping that people can come to a conclusion so they don't resort to you. Moozer is not a person who has a strong thread presence, so in that world, he would have some reliance on his partner to make sure another lynch gets pushed through. All of *that* aside, I believe in his reaction to the WyIted kill, unless someone else wants to show me that Moozer is capable of that sort of... "Dumbtell" sounds mean, but something like that, as Mafia.
I don’t think he’s incapable of such a thing. I’m willing to give this particular thing a “null” but instantly concluding Wylted used his power is silly enough to mean someone faking it is quite possible. Moozer is far from one of the top players in this site, but he’s not THAT bad
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A question does need to be asked whether or not Moozer and Earth being scum are mutually exclusive. Last DP I had concluded such a thing based on Moozer sussing Bullsih, and one of my reads had to be wrong.
But here, Moozer doesn’t even seem to sus Earth all that much. He helped get his claim, and then instantly believes it. I’m gonna say, no, they are not.
Also Earth just townreads Moozer for reasons
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@Moozer325
hey look, Moozer finally posted something original. Sure took him some time. I guess I’ll respond to this point of his
Earth: Slight town. He's still in my PoE but I liked some of his page 1 posts. He could have easily targeted me for a Lynch after Mhar said my assumption was slightly suspicious
Mharman: Slight Scum, same reason as Earth, plus he also assumed WyIted was the NK
How can you put “same reason as Earth” and then scumread me while townreading him?
As for the Wylted being the NK thing. I checked in, glanced at the OP and saw wylted died, and then checked the most recent posts in the thread. Lunatic had said something about Wylted being the NK, and I posted my thoughts on the NK in post 9. Then I saw your post, read the OP completely, and the rest is history. If you ask me it’s an easier mistake to make than just assuming Wylted used his role.
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Now he’s refusing to give Whiteflame any reason for his thoughts on Banana and Moozer- which are questionable enough- their early DP2s,
Their early DP2s are null at best*
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Earth- lean scum.
So in DP1, I had a small scumread on him based on what I felt was just kinda flying under the radar. I know he lowposts, but last DP felt a little ridiculous. That being said, I was starting to feel better about him in the night phase (and worse about Whiteflame- lol imagine that), because in the few times when he did post, he often had a compelling point. Looking back- the scumread wasn’t reasonable for the time- I think I just got disturbed by how much he was flying under the radar.
But then this DP happens. Now he’s refusing to give Whiteflame any reason for his thoughts on Banana and Moozer- which are questionable enough- their early DP2s, his justification for Reznov being motion detector is suspect, and his selection of Whiteflame in the out makes no sense.
I’ll leave the first and third points alone because Whiteflame has already argued those, but I don’t think I’ve seen anyone make this second point.
Motion Detector is an informative role. Meanwhile Reznov hijacked Alex Mason’s brainwashing, and directed him to kill three people, tricking Mason in to seeing him when in reality, he had died in the prison escape. I would’ve expected something like a role that does something after death with Reznov, possibly a manipulation aspect, possibly a communication role, like a role that can vote or talk after death, maybe with only one user. The communication side of things didn’t even have to be after death. Since Reznov sacrificed himself for Mason (albeit with an ulterior motive) as protective role may have made some sense as well. “Influencing someone after death” is hardly a justification for an investigative role.
As for the role itself, meh. With the cop being the only investigative revealed, there is room for one more weaker investigative, but it’s not required.
There is one point in his favor I will mention here: His reaction to being pressured and scumread reminds me of last game, where he was town. It’s not enough to overcome the other points, but it’s worth noting. He has that over Moozer I guess.
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Whiteflame- lean town. We’ve gone over strengthener and how justification can be stretched. Thinking about it more it seems like a more reasonable stretch than other stuff I’m seeing.
With regards to his behavior, I feel like he’s pushing harder on Earth than I would expect from scum Whiteflame. In general, his behavior this DP feels like a departure from the “permissibly scummy” version of Whiteflame Lunatic was talking about last DP. I like it.
Strengthening me is reasonable, since Wylted couldn’t have done anything with it and he had a null read on Lunatic at the time. Not what I would’ve done, but it’s within the reasonable range of choices imo.
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Cerulean, slight town. A good chunk of this read is from Casey’s behavior, but Cerulean’s half is fine as well. More fine analysis, same as DP1. Of note this DP are the thoughts on Moozer. I dont agree but I can see the thought process at least. It’s not super compelling for a town read, but it’s at the very least original and thoughtful thought, if that makes sense. Certainly no red flags.
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Moozer- Still scum. I called him out for parroting basically everything last DP, and my points from last DP have not changed. At the start of the DP I saw his whole thing about how Wylted has used his martyr. I expected this to be TMI since no one expected mafia to go after Wylted, so maybe Wylted really did use his martyr, and Moozer had just revealed it, since Wylted wouldnt have been mafia’s NK target. Obviously can’t be the case since people used their actions successfully. That being said, I’m not buying that the situation makes him town. It’s such an easy throwaway thing for him to say.
As far as the claim goes, no I don’t like it. Lynchproof in a game this small is already weird to me, and we also can’t verify it because it ends the DP. It looks like a “nooooo, don’t lynch me );” type of claim. I want his character and justification.
VTL Moozer
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Banana- Still null. That last post of hers was the most I’ve gotten to read her off of all game. I don’t like the read on me, but I don’t hate it. I just explained why it’s wrong, but I dont think Banana paid enough attention to last game to know that. Was she even playing in last game? Idr. Could get POE’d out if I get too many townreads.
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Lunatic- I was already townreading him last DP, if you want to know why, go back through the recent posts on my profile and you’ll find it. DP2, Neighborizer with confirmation from Whiteflame to boot. Earth claimed the character I was expecting Lunatic to have, so I’m mildly curious about the justification for Lunatic’s role, but I’d sooner conclude it’s just a stretched justification than I would it’s a fake. I can probably go without knowing based on his behavior alone. His behavior this DP is more of the same stuff from DP1.
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@iamanabanana
I did this last game. I’m honestly just bored of mafia and it feels like more of a chore than a fun game. I think I need to take a break for while so I can enjoy mafia in the future.
Even after checking in earlier I did nothing but other stuff bc I just didn’t feel like posting.
Anyway I’ll post some reads in a sec- they’ll be small blurbs.
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In unrelated news, the Sucks just threw and I couldn't be happier.
inb4 "iF wE hAD DAmE tHIs wOuLd'VE bEen dIffEREnt!!!11!!!!1!"
First of all, we split the two games he was on the court- so you can't establish that; second of all, you lost the series 4-1- so there's a good chance Dame's teammates throw the series anyway, especially with what happened tonight. preemptive STFU
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Either he used his martyr, or scum team thought whatever he was asking Pie about was some PR to be scared of
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Yeah, I just don't see anything else interesting in what Wylted posted
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like it's possible but he sounded more sure than I think is reasonable
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I am becoming more suspcious of Moozer, I don't understand how he can have a day role and come out the gates thinking Wylted used his martyr
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First sentence of 16 should end in a period
EBWOP
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@Moozer325
So I wouldn't know if I would've been able to or not?
What makes you so confident he used his martyr?
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@Moozer325
I didn't even do anything last night.
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Looking through Wylted's posts, nothing sticks out. He doesn't really have any real scumreads or townreads, aside an early read on Bullish that I assume he flipped to at least a null, since he remarked Bullish hadn't given him a real reason to be townread. All we got from him at the end is that he's having a hard time reading people.
There is the interaction with Whiteflame, but it doesn't give me much to work off of. He had a question about strengthener and it was ambiguous what his thought process even was. If i had to guess, he was wondering if someone strenghtened could still move if he used his ability. All Whiteflame did to react was say alright twice, so not much to go off of there.
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@Moozer325
I’m a daytime role so nothing from me. Most likely explanation is that WyIted used his Martry
hmmmmm
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may have sacrificed himself. interesting, although I'm not sure that's a given, even if it would be night kill I wasn't expecting
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Yknow I’ve never played BO1 but this game makes me wanna try it at some point. Story is completely spoiled for me, but whatever. I’ve had 15 years at this point anyway
Been thinking about older games in general. Modern stuff just ain’t it
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Yeah Whiteflame is quite far from my first choice here
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